Opinion Michael Moore says Michelle Obama would crush Trump

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MikeMcMann said:
And 'credentials' are not something you can criticize her for when you have arguably the most unqualified, unarticulate and lets be fair most unintelligent POTUS of all time holding office now.
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Only full blown idiots become billionaires.
 
MikeMcMann said:
well if your question is 'careerist politicians only need apply' then I am not down with that.

We've had enough of the careerist, status quo garbage stuffed down our throat. Hopefully Trump serves as a wake up call to the two major parties that would love to do nothing more than give you the same type of safe careerist politician one behind the other. Not safe, as in safe for the electorate, but rather safe, as in safe because they will make little to no meaningful change in gov't.
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What's the difference between not wanting a "careerist" politician in the most-important political office and not wanting a "careerist" surgeon who is part of the medical establishment operating on you?

And what's so desperately wrong with our society that requires the kind of desperate exit from the status quo that you're implying is necessary?

To the extent that stupid voters blindly want "change," I think a responsible person should tell them to fuck off.
 
Michael Moore also said he just cancelled his gym membership because the owner likes Trump.

He will crush anything that gets in his way from this point forward, but hopefully his heart quits first.
 
Jack V Savage said:
What's the difference between not wanting a "careerist" politician in the most-important political office and not wanting a "careerist" surgeon who is part of the medical establishment operating on you?

And what's so desperately wrong with our society that requires the kind of desperate exit from the status quo that you're implying is necessary?

To the extent that stupid voters blindly want "change," I think a responsible person should tell them to fuck off.
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The political systems and paths to power have been corrupted by corporate and other forms of campaign fiance donations. By the time you reach the top you are bought and paid for by the Military complex, the prison complex, Big Agri, Big Pharma or other and highly inclined to maintain the status quo if not pad the money going back their way. They give you millions, you provide them billions of Taxpayer money.

So change is played around the edged but nothing that will stem the flow particularly since once retried from politics the biggest paying job of your life will likely be working for these same groups as a lobbyist or other.

Politics by its very nature is corrupting. The paths to power pretty near necessitate that to be true for all but the rarest mavericks in politics who where always kept at the fringe by ensuring big dollars were the key to getting elected.

the change in campaign finance laws to allow special interests to donate was done specifically so special interests could apply a vice like lock on politicians and ensure no meaningful change was forced on them.
 
Well we can be damn sure Trump would crush Michelle if ya know what I mean!

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MikeMcMann said:
The political systems and paths to power have been corrupted by corporate and other forms of campaign fiance donations. By the time you reach the top you are bought and paid for by the Military complex, the prison complex, Big Agri, Big Pharma or other and highly inclined to maintain the status quo if not pad the money going back their way. They give you millions, you provide them billions of Taxpayer money.
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They don't give you millions of actual money that you can spend. They help you win (or try to stop you from winning). It's taken by some to be self-evident that the political system is corrupt or that campaign donations influence policy, but the narrative unravels if you look for evidence or thinking more deeply about it. I think if we're looking at why some unpopular policy passes, right-wing identity politics is a bigger culprit than the corruption theory.

Look at the group. How many people at least imply that they want more pro-worker policy, or even UHC, but that the real threat to America is college students being overzealous culture warriors or television commercials showing too many interracial couples? Or in the last presidential election, there was a dispute about whether Clinton or Trump was the more "pro-establishment" candidate. Clinton was widely respected, highly educated, and experienced so some saw that as making her more "establishment" than Trump, who "respectable" people considered to be a buffoonish crook. But on the other hand, Clinton's policies were far more pro-worker and pro-consumer while Trump's were more pro-owner and pro-corporate. So people got back at "the establishment" by ... giving them everything they wanted and more and fucking themselves over. That dynamic, rather than campaign finance, is the issue.

MikeMcMann said:
So change is played around the edged but nothing that will stem the flow particularly since once retried from politics the biggest paying job of your life will likely be working for these same groups as a lobbyist or other.
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Again, change is designed to be hard to come by because publics tend to be overeager to make drastic and stupid changes. In our case, there is massive disagreement about the kind of change needed so no one wins by a big enough margin to get their wishlist through. That's frustrating for everyone at times but also good for everyone at times. Overall, though, living standards have been rising for all classes of Americans for 100 years--we've gotten richer, healthier, more free, more-entertained almost nonstop in that period. Crime is on an almost-30-year decline.

MikeMcMann said:
Politics by its very nature is corrupting. The paths to power pretty near necessitate that to be true for all but the rarest mavericks in politics who where always kept at the fringe by ensuring big dollars were the key to getting elected.
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I think if you consider compromise to be corruption, it can be seen as corrupting by its nature.

MikeMcMann said:
the change in campaign finance laws to allow special interests to donate was done specifically so special interests could apply a vice like lock on politicians and ensure no meaningful change was forced on them.
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I think it's more about getting more money to help right-wing politicians win. It's not a huge issue at the level of national elections, though.
 
Wrong black woman. Oprah would be a slam dunk win tho.
 
I'm honestly shocked to hear that disgusting excuse of a human is still drawing breath.
 
Michel Obaman would get crushed by the Don
 
She would crush trump, and she isn't qualified.

You don't have to be qualified to be president, our last three presidents haven't been qualified.
 
foxnewsfan said:
Only full blown idiots become billionaires.
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Kylie Jenner 2024
Robert H. Richards, maybe a suitable Republican presidential candidate as well.
 
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franklinstower said:
Michael Moore says Michelle Obama would crush Trump easily in the next election and that she should run. I have nothing against Michelle Obama but what in the world has she done ever in her life that would make her qualified to be the president of the United States?

I'm shocked. This is so out of left field that I really don't know what to say. We have some really good qualified candidates with great policy positions that the american people like. Why does the democratic party need Michelle Obama in any way right now?

Does anyone really think there are no good candidates to beat Trump? I cant stand Biden but he probably could beat Trump, Bernie could, I think Warren could too.....



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Lol he’s practically crying. Go stuff your face some more Jabba the hut.
 
WarDosAnjos said:
That's literally hate speech, insensitive to special people. My wife's brother's son is disabled and I don't appreciate you making fun of "tards"
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Insensitivity is not the same as hate. And there is nothing that says I have to give a shit about your feelings.
Oh, and nobody believes you're married.. Or do you both live in your moms basement?
 
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