Media Michael jai white need a ego check

kflo said:
and i never claimed he wasn't a lifelong martial artist. he's clearly a SKILLED martial artist.

but being a lifelong martial artist does NOT mean you can walk into a cage with a FIGHTER and win.

if he trained to fight, yeah, he has a great base. he's 52 years old of course.

and you keep acting as if he's a big hw. he has the frame of a mw. he's no bigger than machida. he has inflated muscles for the camera.

yes, he would get worked by similar sized low level ufc fighters in a fight. stand up. something they train to do every day. fight.

again, it's not just stamina and heart. it's combat. it's being able to deal with an opponent looking to take your head off. he doesn't train for that. you can't just take any martial artist who doesn't train to actually fight, and think that they can just go in and fight guys who actually train to fight every day.
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He has awesome kicks though! How would anyone deal with a great kicker? MJW with 6 months MMA training is HW champ or something.. You know the drill.
 
kflo said:
and i never claimed he wasn't a lifelong martial artist. he's clearly a SKILLED martial artist.

but being a lifelong martial artist does NOT mean you can walk into a cage with a FIGHTER and win.

if he trained to fight, yeah, he has a great base. he's 52 years old of course.

and you keep acting as if he's a big hw. he has the frame of a mw. he's no bigger than machida. he has inflated muscles for the camera.

yes, he would get worked by similar sized low level ufc fighters in a fight. stand up. something they train to do every day. fight.

again, it's not just stamina and heart. it's combat. it's being able to deal with an opponent looking to take your head off. he doesn't train for that. you can't just take any martial artist who doesn't train to actually fight, and think that they can just go in and fight guys who actually train to fight every day.
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Bruh fighters train in camps every day for a fight. Martial artists train every day to sharpen techniques regardless. Now if you are saying 52 year old MJW absolutely would not win a fight in the ufc meh possibly however Ive seen stranger in the mummy of Herschel Walker and Kimbo winning in top level organizations. Being as MJW is irrefutably sharper technically than Kimbo, faster, higher fight IQ, and this isn't by a small margin either, what would possibly make you think the man would have irrefutably no success in any high level organization especially a younger version of him. You would have to really be one of those people that only believes a person can fight when they see it. Sorry fam I AM NOT of that cloth. Thats how people find out the hard way testing the wrong one on a wrong day. There are people that have no intention of fighting for a living that will beat you to fucking sawdust son. Then light it on fire. Are you insane to think hmmm based on the fact he has trained since 7 has great technique (and I'm not talking spin fancy shit) and been in fight looking shape HIS ENTIRE LIFE that maybe just maybe this 52 year old man might be one? Hmmmmm. Also you sound a bit disillusionedby the term pro fighter. Whatever professional title or even job you have in life doesn't predicate you actually being better than the person who may just have a different job but skills in yours. Maybe at the highest echelon but you would have to be special to believe the entire UFC roster is there. Strikingbwise and strictly striking wise and based on any shred of evidence that has been produced by lesser skilled STRIKERS having success in the UFC I gotta say bro you are just hating. Look at who the fuck has wins in the UFC lol. Brock with just wrestling background is a legend. Doesnt James Toney have a win or some shit? I get it we are on some doofy if you never been a pro fighter you can never beat a pro fighter shit but bro. I just ask be careful with that. Wind up looking like Joana bout the fucking head talking about "I thought he wasn't a pro fighter"
 
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kflo said:
again, i give him credit for his skill, his dedication to martial arts, his fitness, his marketing, his success. but he's not a fighter. he doesn't fight, he doesn't train to fight. his competitive "fighting" history was low level point karate 30+ years ago.

again, its no different than joe rogan going around saying he could kick ufc fighters asses (and believing him). he's a lifelong martial artist, won some tournaments 30 years ago, and has some ped muscles at 52. and still can demonstrate some sick kicks. oh, right. i never saw joe punch kimbo's hand.

mjw wants to perpetuate his image as the action hero. he never has to prove it in real combat.
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He can fight, though. He is also dangerous. A person with physical gifts can beat a fighter. Thiago Santos on his first day in the gym ko'd a muay thai champ (probably regional).
 
Al Stone said:
Bruh fighters train in camps every day for a fight. Martial artists train every day to sharpen techniques regardless. Now if you are saying 52 year old MJW absolutely would not win a fight in the ufc meh possibly however Ive seen stranger in the mummy of Herschel Walker and Kimbo winning in top level organizations. Being as MJW is irrefutably sharper technically than Kimbo, faster, higher fight IQ, and this isn't by a small margin either, what would possibly make you think the man would have irrefutably no success in any high level organization especially a younger version of him. You would have to really be one of those people that only believes a person can fight when they see it. Sorry fam I AM NOT of that cloth. Thats how people find out the hard way testing the wrong one on a wrong day. There are people that have no intention of fighting for a living that will beat you to fucking sawdust son. Then light it on fire. Are you insane to think hmmm based on the fact he has trained since 7 has great technique (and I'm not talking spin fancy shit) and been in fight looking shape HIS ENTIRE LIFE that maybe just maybe this 52 year old man might be one? Hmmmmm. Also you sound a bit disillusionedby the term pro fighter. Whatever professional title or even job you have in life doesn't predicate you actually being better than the person who may just have a different job but skills in yours. Maybe at the highest echelon but you would have to be special to believe the entire UFC roster is there. Strikingbwise and strictly striking wise and based on any shred of evidence that has been produced by lesser skilled STRIKERS having success in the UFC I gotta say bro you are just hating. Look at who the fuck has wins in the UFC lol. Brock with just wrestling background is a legend. Doesnt James Toney have a win or some shit? I get it we are on some doofy if you never been a pro fighter you can never beat a pro fighter shit but bro. I just ask be careful with that. Wind up looking like Joana bout the fucking head talking about "I thought he wasn't a pro fighter"
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lol at herschel walker. he fought guys brought to lose. his first opponent was 1-1 in ring in the cage, his second opponent had 4 wins against opponents with 1 win IN TOTAL. credit to herschel though for getting in the cage......

and it's frankly amazing that you say higher fight iq. lol. how can you assess the fight iq of someone you've never seen fight? who has never BEEN in a real fight. that's pretty amazing. and kimbo had actual fights against actual opponents.

ufc fighters aren't just the generic 1-1 pro fighter herschel fought. they mostly have earned the title of pro fighter. by fighting. other pros. successfully.

again, you have to train to fight to really effectively fight others who train exclusively to fight and have proven an ability to do so. he trains for the art and the camera.

could he become a fighter? if he trained to be a fighter he maybe could. of course, he's 52......
 
snaportap21 said:
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He can fight, though. He is also dangerous. A person with physical gifts can beat a fighter. Thiago Santos on his first day in the gym ko'd a muay thai champ (probably regional).
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he definitely can fight. he kicks ass in his movies.
 
King. said:
Exactly, these people have never even trained a day in their life I'd wager. I'll never forget the first time I took a low kick from my instructor at the time, former K-1 fighter at the low end, nothing special but he was in K-1 in the mid nineties. I was 6'2 and 230 at the time at 25 years old, typical gym rat with no cardio and little technique but physically in reasonable shape. He was 6'5 and 240-ish, something around that. That shit hurt like a motherfucker.

Granted he was a good bit bigger than me , but When I kicked him back it felt like I was kicking a steel bar. These dudes are just conditioned differently. All those videos of randos bearing pro fighters are always pro fighters way past their expiration date and almost always suckerpunched / drunk off their ass or a combination of the two. Normally a pro fighter smokes your ass in seconds.
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This 100%, can't believe anyone who likes/knows combat sports enough to post here would think otherwise.

I used to be good friends with a retired pro featherweight (with a .50 record) and an amateur heavyweight. Neither had any problem demolishing the average toughguy or bouncer within seconds.

I can't imagine this situation would change unless they were really old, really intoxicated, suckerpunched, outnumbered, or a combination of the lot.

I know my boy @Dana's Moonface disagrees, but he must be citing a couple of fluke cases where a completely pissed up boxer got taken advantage of and caught offguard.

In my experience a pro boxer or pro MMA fighter will obliterate an average tough guy or someone without competitive fighting experience, 99% of the time.

It's downright insane to think otherwise. It's what these guys have been doing since they were kids, in the case of boxers especially, and they literally do it for a living.

It's a bit like thinking some local kid kicking ball around in the park could compete with Messi, or some internet nerd could compete with an elite scientist in their field.

No one would actually think that, so why the fuck do people persist in thinking elite fighters, who literally fight for a living, are somehow no better in a fight than someone with no fight experience? It's downright insane, and retarded.

Forget about skillset, just the toughness and cardio alone of a pro fighter is on a completely different level to a normal person.

As if a 50 year actor would stand the tiniest chance of beating even a fairly scrubby pro like Perry. He'd get demolished in seconds.

Even someone much, much smaller like Josh Taylor, a 140 pounder, would beat "Michael Jai White" like a red headed stepchild.
 
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kflo said:
Basically he did light work with a celebrity (martial artist). Who has fast kicks. He was complementary of a celebrity he just did some light workout with. Oh, and they did a movie together too.

Nothing he said is surprising. But they just did light touch work.
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Yup, that's what he said, but he did say that he felt MJW might have some success in lower level MMA depending on the matchup. That's way more than I expected him to say personally.
 
MidgardSerpent said:
Yes, a lot of claims and things that are possible, same way Ronda could take on Cain, under the right circumstances. He's a fattie claiming he can take on a pro fighter with ease, if he only lost the weight of half a person, that's a lot of circumstantial weight to lose. And it's only the weight holding him back! Of course people are going to cringe when they read that.
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Yea, I feel like went back in time reading some of these posts, it’s almost like 2007 again where everyone and their mother are alleged “fighters.” & train who would smash actual MMA fighters and Boxers. I’m baffled people still use that on a Karate Forum to pump their fragile ego without a ounce of proof.
 
kflo said:
lol at herschel walker. he fought guys brought to lose. his first opponent was 1-1 in ring in the cage, his second opponent had 4 wins against opponents with 1 win IN TOTAL. credit to herschel though for getting in the cage......

and it's frankly amazing that you say higher fight iq. lol. how can you assess the fight iq of someone you've never seen fight? who has never BEEN in a real fight. that's pretty amazing. and kimbo had actual fights against actual opponents.

ufc fighters aren't just the generic 1-1 pro fighter herschel fought. they mostly have earned the title of pro fighter. by fighting. other pros. successfully.

again, you have to train to fight to really effectively fight others who train exclusively to fight and have proven an ability to do so. he trains for the art and the camera.

could he become a fighter? if he trained to be a fighter he maybe could. of course, he's 52......
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Bruh I say this with the utmost respect to anyone I mentioned but you can tell fight iq in hearing many talk their fight philosophy as well as seeing how they can control distance and reset. There are certain aspects of what I have seen in the cage from some names I mentioned that make me question if fight iq exists in them. They are ALL entertaining fightersHowever some people fight and do it well and some analyze the fight extremely well. Some do both. Now if you are claiming MJW and his ability to analyze fights and verbalize what he sees wrong and right isn't fight iq then I would argue we are grasping at straws. I mean if you would like to call that something other than fight IQ or believe having a deep engrained understanding of techniques involved in fighting isn't fight iq then thats fine what word what you prefer in its place? It makes no matter to me. Ultimately figting comes down to understanding of the fight, physical ability, and desire to fight, in whichever order you will choose. The only thing I can really and truly see that I agree on is MJW has zero desire to be a fighter. If anyone would like to debate that a person who doesnt want to be a fighter will not fuck someone up we just won't agree. Maybe ever
 
Al Stone said:
Bruh I say this with the utmost respect to anyone I mentioned but you can tell fight iq in hearing many talk their fight philosophy as well as seeing how they can control distance and reset. There are certain aspects of what I have seen in the cage from some names I mentioned that make me question if fight iq exists in them. They are ALL entertaining fightersHowever some people fight and do it well and some analyze the fight extremely well. Some do both. Now if you are claiming MJW and his ability to analyze fights and verbalize what he sees wrong and right isn't fight iq then I would argue we are grasping at straws. I mean if you would like to call that something other than fight IQ or believe having a deep engrained understanding of techniques involved in fighting isn't fight iq then thats fine what word what you prefer in its place? It makes no matter to me. Ultimately figting comes down to understanding of the fight, physical ability, and desire to fight, in whichever order you will choose. The only thing I can really and truly see that I agree on is MJW has zero desire to be a fighter. If anyone would like to debate that a person who doesnt want to be a fighter will not fuck someone up we just won't agree. Maybe ever
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that's not fight iq. fight iq is the ability to fight smart during an actual fight. you can be very well spoken and learned on fighting (even a great teacher / coach) and still make costly mistakes in the heat of battle. and fight iq is greatly aided by real fight experience. its impossible to gauge actual fight iq without any actual experience fighting.
 
kflo said:
that's not fight iq. fight iq is the ability to fight smart during an actual fight. you can be very well spoken and learned on fighting (even a great teacher / coach) and still make costly mistakes in the heat of battle. and fight iq is greatly aided by real fight experience. its impossible to gauge actual fight iq without any actual experience fighting.
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Again Sir if you would like to argue that having an increased knowledge of fighting in every regard isnt fight iq I'm not really the one to debate that with. Debates over word usage that based on description can be taken many ways is such a waste of time. Now that you understand the meaning of my intent of words Im fine. Now if you are claiming having a deeper engrained knowledge in fighting won't help you in uhhh fighting... Nah bruh. Having that knowledge makes YOU better than YOU when work is put in behind it. Many and most people that are fight gurus stop putting in physical training thats why it seems it isn't critical for improving. It really is. It separates good from great bro. MJW does both put in the physical and mental aspects as a martial artist and has NEVER stopped. Dude is EXCEPTIONAL. We aren't talking Joey McDonough. Dude is highly highly trained. JUST NOT A FIGHTER. Your stance seems to be you cant beat a pro fighter if you never fought pro. I agree as far as the silly blatantly obvious factor of that statement. As far as in a practical sense not for a second. If it had even a remote pinch of truth to it wouldn't every pro fighter lose his first fight? Think before answering that. Are you making sense or are you trying to uphold an ideal that makes none?
 
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Al Stone said:
Again Sir if you would like to argue that having an increased knowledge of fighting in every regard isnt fight iq I'm not really the one to debate that with. Debates over word usage that based on description can be taken many ways is such a waste of time. Now that you understand the meaning of my intent of words Im fine. Now if you are claiming having a deeper engrained knowledge in fighting won't help you in uhhh fighting... Nah bruh. Having that knowledge makes YOU better than YOU when work is put in behind it. Many and most people that are fight gurus stop putting in physical training thats why it seems it isn't critical for improving. It really is. It separates good from great bro. MJW does both put in the physical and mental aspects as a martial artist and has NEVER stopped. Dude is EXCEPTIONAL. We aren't talking Joey McDonough. Dude is highly highly trained. JUST NOT A FIGHTER. Your stance seems to be you cant beat a pro fighter if you never fought pro. I agree as far as the silly blatantly obvious factor of that statement. As far as in a practical sense not for a second. If it had even a remote pinch of truth to it wouldn't every pro fighter lose his first fight? Think before answering that. Are you making sense or are you trying to uphold an ideal that makes none?
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You’re inventing arguments that make no sense.

no one is comparing a debut fighter to someone who earned their way into the ufc.

Again, what in your head differentiates mjw’s ability to win fights compared to a Joe rogan? Assuming similar sized opponents?

mjw puts in training to be in shape. And perform for the camera. To maintain as a martial artist. He does not put in training to fight. And this is what you don’t seem capable of grasping.

someone who trains 24/7 for actual combat will be a lot better prepared for actual combat.

it’s funny that you’ve invented this world (or bought the mjw narrative) where mjw is this ninja martial artist in the martial arts world. When you call him exceptional you’re basing that off of nothing but movies and muscles.

Again, what differentiates him from rogan? Same age.
 
Roids said:
Evidence?
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You do not need evidence for the claim "there are people who are good at fighting who have never competed in professional martial arts".
You are a moron if you think this statement requires scientific testing.
 
kflo said:
You’re inventing arguments that make no sense.

no one is comparing a debut fighter to someone who earned their way into the ufc.

Again, what in your head differentiates mjw’s ability to win fights compared to a Joe rogan? Assuming similar sized opponents?

mjw puts in training to be in shape. And perform for the camera. To maintain as a martial artist. He does not put in training to fight. And this is what you don’t seem capable of grasping.

someone who trains 24/7 for actual combat will be a lot better prepared for actual combat.

it’s funny that you’ve invented this world (or bought the mjw narrative) where mjw is this ninja martial artist in the martial arts world. When you call him exceptional you’re basing that off of nothing but movies and muscles.

Again, what differentiates him from rogan? Same age.
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Now you get the picture here. I never in any capacity named an opponent his size MJW would beat unless it is all but fact. Yes I believe RIP I can safely say he would have pieced up Kimbo but I say that with the utmost respect.. other than that we are discussing Perry trying to pick a fight with him and he's like 60 pounds lighter. Could Joe Rogan touch up a couple dudes 60 pounds lighter? Yes. Size is a factor. Name all of these people I claimed he would beat HIS SIZE? Ready go. This shouldn't be hard. Also if you think the ufc wouldn't start mjw with same level of cans or less Hardy started with you smoke crack
 
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