Media Michael Jai White claims Coleman vs Maurice Smith proved that strikers beat jiujitsu when evenly matched

[joy2day]

Turns out, your expectations of Mark Coleman and Maurice Smith aren't based on reality. Maybe you could reassess them, learning more about them.

lol, noob city. Who is the mystery JJ fighter?

 

[mkt]

Turns out, your expectations of Mark Coleman and Maurice Smith aren't based on reality. Maybe you could reassess them, learning more about them.

It's worth noting that Frank Shamrock (Maurice's training partner) used the "let them exhaust themselves" or maybe "MMA Rope-a-Dope" against Tito around the same time. That's another one of the best and most important fights of the 90s. After that, Tito worked a lot on his conditioning.

 

[don't ask]

It's worth noting that Frank Shamrock (Maurice's training partner) used the "let them exhaust themselves" or maybe "MMA Rope-a-Dope" against Tito around the same time. That's another one of the best and most important fights of the 90s. After that, Tito worked a lot on his conditioning.

Frank vs Tito will always be one of my favourite fights. Tito lost, but he literally gave it his all.

 

[PrideNverDies]

He should finish him off long before that is a factor.. A wrestler who knows some jiujitsu is a handfull for jiujitsu guys and this wasn't even a jiujitsu guy.

This is the most white belt opinion ever and I can only assume that you haven't seen much, if any, of MMA at all

 

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It's worth noting that Frank Shamrock (Maurice's training partner) used the "let them exhaust themselves" or maybe "MMA Rope-a-Dope" against Tito around the same time. That's another one of the best and most important fights of the 90s. After that, Tito worked a lot on his conditioning.

That is a good anecdote. By the way, Maurice crawling up the cage is a bit liddell-iish. Liddell claims he pioneered getting up but Maurice did it first

 

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This is the most white belt opinion ever and I can only assume that you haven't seen much, if any, of MMA at all

I have seen a ton. What is with these snobs who are quick to call someone an outsider the moment an opinion detracts from their own view?


Maybe I know more than you guys when I say Whitaker had a shitty stance to defend against Khamzat ,, maybe its not knowing less.....it's knowing more. You can't have his stiff stance with zero mobility against a wrestler like Khamzat.

I did not watch Sage Northcutt fighting for whatever reason. Maybe he wasn't promoted that much. He flew right by the radar for me on social media. He wasnt mentioned in any Rogan short clip either, so I guess Joe wasn't a fan.

 

[kingghidrah]

But why did his G&P fail?

Were headbutts illegal by then? It was some time around then that the UFC disallowed them

 

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Were headbutts illegal by then? It was some time around then that the UFC disallowed them

There was no stand-up rule, so it was very old rules. And Maurice still survived

 

[don't ask]

I have seen a ton. What is with these snobs who are quick to call someone an outsider the moment an opinion detracts from their own view?


Maybe I know more than you guys when I say Whitaker had a shitty stance to defend against Khamzat ,, maybe its not knowing less.....it's knowing more. You can't have his stiff stance with zero mobility against a wrestler like Khamzat.

Oh god, are you the guy who wondered why Whitaker would use a wider, lower stance against someone trying to take him down?

I did not watch Sage Northcutt fighting for whatever reason. Maybe he wasn't promoted that much. He flew right by the radar for me on social media. He wasnt mentioned in any Rogan short clip either, so I guess Joe wasn't a fan.

and at "it wasn't on Joe Rogan so I had no way of knowing about it"

 

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Oh god, are you the guy who wondered why Whitaker would use a wider, lower stance against someone trying to take him down?

and at "it wasn't on Joe Rogan so I had no way of knowing about it"

Yes I am that guy. I know what it takes to stuff a beast wrestler, and standing in a karate stance is not that. NO wrestler starts a wrestling match in a Karate stance. And yes, you have to stand in the most perfect stance possible if you are lagging behind in wrestling abilities to the other guy

Rogan is a moron but he doesn't have any rivals. All mma discussions tend to come from his fucking podcast which is annoying. i don't count his retard comic friends and those clips aren't even recommended by Youtube. Even the algorithm is repulsed by them

 

[Harlekin]

Michael Jai White hasn't said a smart thing in 20 years. And he has no clue about real MMA

 

[don't ask]

Yes I am that guy. I know what it takes to stuff a beast wrestler, and standing in a karate stance is not that. NO wrestler starts a wrestling match in a Karate stance. And yes, you have to stand in the most perfect stance possible if you are lagging behind in wrestling abilities to the other guy

Rogan is a moron but he doesn't have any rivals. All mma discussions tend to come from his fucking podcast which is annoying. i don't count his retard comic friends and those clips aren't even recommended by Youtube. Even the algorithm is repulsed by them

Well, I'm not going to rehash that other thread that shit all over your knowledge when this thread is shitting all over your knowledge, but it's been known since the earliest days of MMA that stuffing and sprawling on a wrestler is easier with a lower stance.

 

[kingghidrah]

There was no stand-up rule, so it was very old rules. And Maurice still survived

Yeah, I wondered about headbutts, not the standup rule. Headbutts were Coleman's only G&P weapon early on

 

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Well, I'm not going to rehash that other thread that shit all over your knowledge when this thread is shitting all over your knowledge, but it's been known since the earliest days of MMA that stuffing and sprawling on a wrestler is easier with a lower stance.

For fuck sake, nowhere did I imply that he should stand erect. It's like arguing with a chick. No fucking nuance to the debate.,


"He's too wide"..

"oh so he should stand narrow?????

Ff sake

 

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Yeah, I wondered about headbutts, not the standup rule. Headbutts were Coleman's only G&P weapon early on

I was just mentioning it as a possible clue.

 

[TankAbbott4Eva]

All that happened was Smith learnt to defend off his back clearly, Coleman gassed and Smith took the fight over. Smith was a true pioneer I reckon for a kickboxer transitioning to MMA

 

[don't ask]

For fuck sake, nowhere did I imply that he should stand erect. It's like arguing with a chick. No fucking nuance to the debate.,


"He's too wide"..

"oh so he should stand narrow?????

Ff sake

lol fuck off with your dumb shit. Not only did I not say you said he should stand erect, but I remember you had a complete inability to read the words that I was actually writing in that other thread, and here you are, mewling about nunace.

You have to be a troll. I refuse to believe you're this dumb.

 

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All that happened was Smith learnt to defend off his back clearly, Coleman gassed and Smith took the fight over. Smith was a true pioneer I reckon for a kickboxer transitioning to MMA

Again. It should be over before cardio plays a part. Maurice had been subbed many times. Including by bas rutten

 

[Carrotman23]

If he did indeed say this (not watching), then its a bad take for sure, Coleman was never a BJJ fighter primarily anyways, from my understanding he was the kind of wrestler that was exemplary of that era.

Generally speaking a grappler will beat a striker with no TK defense in MMA the vast majority of the time. That being said while in the early days of the UFC people thought grappling was superior to striking full stop, things later balanced out as striking became more and more viable.

These days wrestling is much more important then BJJ, especially sprawling and being able to defend takedowns while against the fence.

You could have the best gaurd in the world but if you cant take a guy down an experienced striker is gonna beat the breaks off you 9 times outta 10.

 

[TankAbbott4Eva]

Again. It should be over before cardio plays a part. Maurice had been subbed many times. Including by bas rutten

That’s what I mean though, Smith clearly worked on sub defence and managed to pull through, swept Coleman too from memory.

I think headbutts had just been banned too, Coleman wins if they’re allowed, he was nearly GOAT with headbutts