Crime Menendez Brothers Case Reopened For Appeal (2024)

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Lyle and Erik Menendez have been behind bars in California for more than three decades for the 1989 killing of their parents, Jose and Kitty Menendez. They were convicted of first-degree murder and sentenced to life in prison in the notorious case that captured the nation's attention. Now, the brothers are hoping that new evidence will reopen their case and set them free.

"48 Hours" contributor Natalie Morales speaks to Lyle Menendez from prison as he awaits a judge's decision in an encore of "The Menendez Brothers' Fight for Freedom," now streaming on Paramount +.


The Menendez brothers admit that they killed their parents. Instead, the focus of the case has long been on why they did it. They insist that they killed out of fear and in self-defense after a lifetime of physical, emotional and sexual abuse suffered at the hands of their parents.

One of their lawyers, Cliff Gardner, tells "48 Hours" that new evidence corroborates those longstanding claims and lessens their culpability. Gardner argues that Lyle and Erik Menendez should have been convicted of manslaughter instead of first-degree murder, and that if they had been, they would have received a much shorter sentence and been out of prison a long time ago.
The new evidence includes a letter that Gardner says was written by Erik Menendez to Erik's cousin, Andy Cano, in December 1988, about eight months before the crime. The letter reads, in part, "I've been trying to avoid dad. It's still happening, Andy, but it's worse for me now. … Every night I stay up thinking he might come in. … I'm afraid. … He's crazy. He's warned me a hundred times about telling anyone, especially Lyle."
Andy Cano did testify at the brothers' trials. He said that Erik Menendez at age 13, years before the killings, told him that his father was touching him inappropriately. Prosecutors at trial suggested that Cano was lying.

The brothers were tried twice. Their first trial ended in a mistrial when two juries, one for each brother, couldn't reach a unanimous decision as to whether Lyle and Erik Menendez were guilty of manslaughter or murder. When they were tried a second time, prosecutors attacked the abuse allegations more aggressively. They referred to the allegations as "the abuse excuse." That trial resulted in the brothers' convictions for first-degree murder.

Gardner says this letter is proof that the abuse allegations were not made up. He says the letter was never presented at either trial, and that it was discovered in storage within the last few years by Andy Cano's mother. Andy Cano died in 2003.

The letter isn't the only piece of evidence that has surfaced. Roy Rossello, a former member of the Puerto Rican boy band Menudo, has come forward claiming that he was also sexually abused by Jose Menendez, back in the early 80s, when Rossello was a minor and a member of the band. At the time, Jose Menendez was working as an executive at RCA Records, and RCA signed Menudo to a recording contract.

Rossello is now 54 years old. He says in a sworn affidavit filed in 2023 that he went to Jose Menendez's home in the fall of 1983 or 1984. Rossello would have been between 14 and 15 years old at the time. He says he drank "a glass of wine," then felt like he had "no control" over his body. He says Jose Menendez took him to a room and raped him. Rossello also states in the affidavit that he was sexually abused by Jose Menendez on two other occasions, right before and right after a performance at Radio City Music Hall in New York.
"When I first heard about it … I cried," Lyle Menendez told Morales. "For me, it was very meaningful to just have things come out that caused people to really realize, OK … at least this part of what it's about is true."

The Menendez brothers' attorney, Cliff Gardner, filed a habeas petition in May 2023 citing the letter and Rossello's affidavit as new evidence that proves his clients' convictions should be vacated.

"The boys were abused as children. They were abused their whole life. … And this is a manslaughter case, not a murder case. It's just that simple," Gardner said to "48 Hours" about the Menendez brothers. "My hope in the case is that the judge will realize that this new evidence is indeed credible and persuasive, and he'll vacate the convictions."

If that happens, it would be up to the Los Angeles County District Attorney's Office whether to retry the case. In a statement, the district attorney's office told "48 Hours" it is investigating the claims made in the habeas petition. It is unclear when a judge will rule in the case.



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I'm pretty convinced they were sexually abused their whole lives and the mom ignored it. Other people including members of the band Menudo have said their father abused them too. Plus cousins of theirs have come out and said they told them as little kids they were being abused. Their entire extended family wants them released.

In the first trial, it was deadlocked because all the sexual abuse evidence came out. But in the second trial, the judge disallowed all the sexual abuse stuff and they were convicted.

They got railroaded a bit - by the court system and the media. Yes they did the crime, but you have to take into account all the abuse they suffered and thus a lighter sentence. They were basically like 18 years old at the time so I don't think they should do life.
 
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I ripped this off Reddit, the trial videos are like 3 hrs each 😭

Menendez Brothers Evidence of Sexual Abuse


Although hard proof is almost always absent in child sexual abuse cases, there is still plenty of evidence and testimony corroborating their claims:


**NAKED PHOTOS**

Pictures were found of the brothers' naked bodies at 6 and 8 years old which had their heads cut off and focused on their genitals. 6 year old Erik apears to have an erection in one of the photos.

The envelope containing those photographs had their mother's handwriting on it that said "*Erik's 6th birthday*".

These photos were presented by the defense during both [Erik](https://youtu.be/xm3OAj1hqGE) and [Lyle's](https://youtu.be/OCU4gkQdu0Y) direct examination and [closing arguments](https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLRbngWy2JEXR-XghBO0-RKAbPFnY3XQCy).

​

**MEDICAL RECORDS**

There was an unexplained injury to the back of Erik's throat (posterior pharynx, the uvula, and the soft palate) at 7 years old which was consistent with oral rape.

In 1977, Erik was admitted to the E.R. There is a record from the following day from the Princeton Medical Center. It said:

> *Hurt posterior pharynx, uvula, and soft palate.
Healing well. Symptomatic treatment.*

Dr. [Kerry English](https://youtu.be/4hpdMBJwK5g) testified that this type of injury is an indication of oral copulation in children. Nowadays, dentists are trained to look for this injury in children to be able to [detect and report child abuse](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5392397/).

FROM ERIK'S RE-DIRECT EXAMINATION BY BARRY LEVIN, JANUARY 9, 1996:


> Q WHEN HE FORCED ORAL COPULATION ON YOU, DID THAT RESULT IN HIM THRUSTING HIS PENIS FORCIBLY DOWN YOUR THROAT?

> A YES.

> Q DID THAT CAUSE AN INJURY OR HURT YOU?

> A IT HURT ME.

> Q DID IT BRUISE THE THROAT?

> A SOMETIMES.

>

Both of their medical records had many symptoms that were normally seen in children who are sexually abused such as

* gastrointestinal problems

* unexplained abdominal pain

* enuresis

* hematomas and lacerations on their faces and bodies

* frequent headaches

* speech articulation disorder

* teeth grinding

* telogen effluvium

This evidence was discussed by [Dr. Ann Burgess](https://youtu.be/wj4ovbDZO0E) and [Dr. Kerry English](https://youtu.be/4hpdMBJwK5g) in the trial.

​

**BROTHERS TELLING COUSINS ABOUT THE ABUSE AS CHILDREN**

Cousin [Diane Vandermolen](https://youtu.be/OAzbNbMwRYM) was told by Lyle when he was 9 years old that he was “*afraid his dad was going to come into his room*” and that “*he and his dad had been touching each other down there*”. Diane went to get Lyle’s mother and tell her but Kitty said Lyle was making things up and convinced Diane that nothing was wrong.

Erik’s cousin [Andy Cano](https://youtu.be/OAzbNbMwRYM) testified that when Erik was 12 and Andy was 10, Erik had told him that his dad is "*massaging his dick*" and was trying to find out if these massages are normal. He also told Andy that "*these massages are beginning to hurt.*" Andy suggested asking his mother but Erik swore him to secrecy.

Andy was 15 when the brothers were arrested. He died in 2003 at 30 yeas old after an overdose on sleeping pills. His mother told reporters that she's convinced that her son died because he couldn't cope with the incarceration of his cousins.
​

**ERIK’S LETTER TO HIS COUSIN**

After Andy Cano passed away, his mother found a letter in his belongings that 17 year old Erik had written to him some months before killing his parents. In that letter, Erik mentions the ongoing sexual abuse:

> *Mom isn’t doing good. It’s like she’s here physically but mentally, she’s just gone, if you know what I mean. She freaks out over nothing. I feel bad for her. I don’t know why she puts up with dad’s shit. At times, I wish I could talk to her about things, you know? Some day... especially dad and I but the way she worships him and tells him everything, I’m so afraid she’ll tell him whatever I say. I just can’t risk it.*

> *So now I’m stuck here alone. I’ve been trying to avoid dad. It’s still happening Andy but it’s worse for me now. I can’t explain it. He’s so overweight that I just can’t stand to see him. I never know when it’s going to happen and it’s driving me crazy. Every night I stay up thinking he might come in. I need to put it out of my mind. I know what you said before but I’m afraid. You just don’t know dad like I do. He’s crazy! He’s warned me a hundred times about telling anyone. Especially Lyle. Am I a serious whimpus? I don’t know I’ll make it through this. I can handle it, Andy. I need to stop thinking about it.*

This letter was discussed by Lyle and attorney Cliff Gardner in the documentary ["Menendez Brothers: Misjudged?"](https://youtu.be/7uvR-G7o7n8).

​

**TESTIMONY OF COUSINS WHO LIVED AT THE MENENDEZ HOUSE**

Two other cousins, [Alan and Kathleen](https://youtu.be/oEd4Lhcbo5Q) who spent summers at the house said the dad would take the boys to their bedroom and forbid the cousins from going "down the hall".

Brian said he heard cries and groans coming from the bedroom. He said that Kitty would turn the TV volume really high and stop him from going upstairs to see what happened.

Kathy and Brian also testified that Jose and the boys took showers together. Erik talks about these showers when talking to a reporter after the homicides and before they were arrested.

Diane Vandermolen testified that she saw Kitty going to the bathroom to "help Lyle shower" at 14 years old and this would take more than 20 minutes.

​

**KITTY MENENDEZ'S THERAPY NOTES**

Kitty Menendez had said to her therapist six weeks before her death that she was [“hiding sick and embarrassing secrets”](http://menendezmurders.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/therapynotes.jpg) regarding her family.

​

**TAPE RECORDINGS OF DONOVAN GOODREAU**

Lyle's former friend, Donovan Goodreau, was recorded on tape, months before the trial saying that [Lyle revealed the sexual abuse](https://youtu.be/uZqTuSfShc4) of him and his brother to him, after Donovan reveled his own abuse 4 months before the homicides.

>*No, see..see the reason he told me that... he did tell me a lot of things about... you know... his father and stuff like that...*

>*He told me a lot about their past and stuff. And you know it was similar to my own past I... I was molested as a child and I told him that and I guess that opened the gate and he told me and it was like, wow! Lyle and his brother were molested.*

​

**SCHOOL ESSAY "I WILL CHANGE YOUR VERDICT"**

14 year old Lyle wrote a school essay, [“I will change your verdict”](https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1996-01-22-me-27418-story.html), about a man who's sentenced to die for killing a child molester to protect a 12 year old boy. Lyle found out his father was molesting 12 year old Erik for the first time when he was 14.

> *A man awaits his turn on the electric chair. You the average citizens of America put that man there. Now you can taste his death. You hope it hurts and is slow...*

> *Do you know what drove him to do it?*

Lyle, seems to identify with the condemned man, scolding the readers,

> *You never even gave him a chance to talk. He wanted to, you know. He only wanted to say a few things. But no, not you. You couldn’t let this thing talk as if he had rights or feelings. You only looked at the evidence, smiled and yelled GUILTY!!! Why my friend? Why?*

​

**LYLE'S LETTER TO ERIK**

A [17 page letter](https://youtu.be/Do858wwQpDA) was seized from Erik's jail cell that Lyle wrote to him in May 1990 (3 years before their first trial began). Jail deputies searched the jail cells of the brothers in June 1990. This is an excerpt from that letter:

> *We alone know the truth - we alone know the secrets of our families (sic) past. I do not look forward to broadcasting them around the country. I pray that it never has to happen. If it were not for you I doubt I would even try for manslaughter. I would rather try and escape or die. I struggle with my belief that men take responsibility for their actions, pleading abuse is not taking responsibility....*

Prosecutors used the letter in the grand jury proceedings but after the brothers admitted to killing their parents, they no longer needed to use the letter in the first trial. The defense could not present a letter written by the defendant.

​

**JOSE SHOWING CHILD PORNOGRAPHY**

One of their neighbors testified that Jose showed dinner guests [a movie containing child pornography](https://youtu.be/VMlcVU1ox5o) and that he found it entertaining.

​

**GAY MAGAZINES**

Someone who helped the family move testified that she had found [pornographic gay magazines](https://youtu.be/xhBKc1Mr-Og) in Jose's belongings. (I don't belive this is evidence of Jose being a child molester. Just included it since it was mentioned in the trial.)

​

**MENUDO SEXUAL ABUSE ALLEGATIONS**

Jose Menendez was responsible for a boy band called [Menudo](https://www.reddit.com/r/MenendezBrothers/comments/vv0g7j/the_ricky_martin_rumor_was_martin_molested_by/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button) while working at RCA records. Menudo members weren't recruited simply for their talent, once a boy hit puberty, or reached the age of 16, they were removed from the group and replaced by younger performers. Many former members of the band later said that they were sexually abused during their time in Menudo.

After 3 decades, one of the former band members, Roy Rosselló, spoke about Jose Menendez sexually abusing him in the 2023 documentary 'Menendez + Menudo: Boys Betrayed'.

Rosselló alleged in the docuseries that Jose Menendez molested, drugged and raped him when the then-teenager was performing with the Puerto Rican boy band Menudo and Jose Menendez was the head of RCA Records. The 51-year-old was a member of the group from 1983 to 1986.

>*That’s the man here that raped me, That’s the :eek::eek::eek::eek:phile. It’s time for the world to know the truth.*

Rosselló says in the clip while pointing at a photo of the late music executive

>*I know what he did to me in his house.*

Another member of the band, Angelo Garcia, detailed the extensive physical and sexual abuse he experienced during his two-year stint in the group.

> *I was raped a series of times, and that was the way that predators would take advantage of me,*

Angelo recounts being plied with alcohol and passing out. When he woke up,

> *I was naked and I was bleeding, so I knew that I had been penetrated, I had, like, these burn marks on my face from the rug… I was very confused and didn’t understand.*

​

**MADAME CHERI WOODS**

Brothel madame [Cheri Woods](https://www.reddit.com/r/MenendezBrothers/comments/x4xvkc/brothel_madame_cheri_woods_encounters_with_jose/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button), who sent Jose Menendez escorts, revealed that he would always ask for underage and petite girls, one of her girls came back bleeding everywhere after spending time with Jose which scared many of the other women.

Woods said she met Jose Menendez in the early '80s, when the Cuban immigrant first took his job as a top executive at Carolco Pictures. For the next several years, Woods claimed, Menendez "called her every week to ask for girls."

Menendez had firm specifications with his orders.

> *He insisted that the girls be no more than 13 years old and petite, but I never employed minors, so I sent my youngest-looking girls.*

> *Once, he tried to strangle a very sweet girl as he had sex with her, she was so scared she refused to go back to him - regardless of how much he wanted to pay her.*

On another occasion, Menendez slapped his date around. And, according to Woods, as he pretended to rape her, she shouted "nasty and macho language" at her.

The final deal between Woods and Menendez took place some six years before he and his wife, Kitty, were found murdered. On this particular date, Menendez allegedly severely injured one of Woods' girls with whips and various sex toys.

> *The girl came back with scratches and bruises all over, I decided to stop taking his calls.*

> *I believe that Jose's sexual appetite for teenagers and his violent tendencies could easily spill over into home life. Seeing what he did and could've done to the girls, his sons had good reason to think that Jose could hurt them if he wanted to.*

​
 
It’s a weird one, I don’t think the letter is enough to make that push.
I have possibly a not normal like of true crime documentaries. A few months ago I found out there was a comic con type thing and one of the brothers did a live phone in thing. How mad would that have been to have a conversation with him? Not nice for obvious reasons and I don't hero worship them but just would have been interesting.
 
It was so long ago I watched the dodos, did you think they were sexually abused?
I think so. The evidence available seems to indicate that and it just doesn’t seem to make sense to kill their own parents if not. They had pretty much everything at their finger tips. Then again, we live in a weird world with weird people.
 
I think so. The evidence available seems to indicate that and it just doesn’t seem to make sense to kill their own parents if not. They had pretty much everything at their finger tips. Then again, we live in a weird world with weird people.
My dislike of Chloe as their mum has put me off watching the drama. But I'm up for seeing the documentaries again now it's all kicked off.
 
I'm pretty convinced they were sexually abused their whole lives and the mom ignored it. Other people including members of the band Menudo have said their father abused them too. Plus cousins of theirs have come out and said they told them as little kids they were being abused. Their entire extended family wants them released.

In the first trial, it was deadlocked because all the sexual abuse evidence came out. But in the second trial, the judge disallowed all the sexual abuse stuff and they were convicted.

They got railroaded a bit - by the court system and the media. Yes they did the crime, but you have to take into account all the abuse they suffered and thus a lighter sentence. They were basically like 18 years old at the time so I don't think they should do life.
Yeah. The sex abuse stuff being overlooked in the second trial was messed up. It didn’t help that Lyle tried to get people to make shit up. These dummies fucked themsleves
 
Yeah. The sex abuse stuff being overlooked in the second trial was messed up. It didn’t help that Lyle tried to get people to make shit up. These dummies fucked themsleves

But the court system hasn't addressed this issue for almost 3 decades

The Beyond Reason Doubt Podcast with Mark Geragos (their lawyer) has a few episodes dedicated to this case.

Obviously he's biased since he's their defense lawyer. But his theory was that the Los Angeles DA's were so desperate for win coming off the OJ Case that they railroaded these two.

And it's crazy that the judge killed any mentioning of abuse by the parents in the retrial, since that would definitely affect motive and possibly move to manslaughter or 2nd degree murder. In which, they'd be out by now.
 
All i remember about this case was when they tried to blame the killings on an Asian gang or something, one guy apparently looked Asian one who was speaking another language, I think it was Asian.
 
The fact they didn’t admit it initially seems a little less desirable from a defense standpoint.
 
thanks netflix.

now they are gonna reopen the dahmer case and say he was innocent.
The Netflix special doesn't paint them in a very good light. In fact, they go into great detail about all of Lyle's phone conversations with that girl that wrote the book about them.

Anyway, I don't think they have much of a case.

As an aside, my wife sees them every so often. I guess Kim Kardashian and the actor who played Lyle in this newest series were at Donovan last weekend too. Guess Kimmy is trying to get them exonerated too.

I was talking to my wife's coworker a couple weeks ago, who's a counselor that works between the prison and one of the local colleges and she had to meet with Lyle to go over some class he needed to get into UC Irvine lol
 
It was so long ago I watched the dodos, did you think they were sexually abused?
I think the heinous nature of their crime would indicate something fucked up happened to them in early development that would fuck up their growth. It makes sense to me that the abuse they suffered fucked them up to the point they became capable of what they did.
The fact they didn’t admit it initially seems a little less desirable from a defense standpoint.
Sexual abuse is something kids learn to be ashamed of. If you’ve spent your entire life disassociating, lying to yourself, lying to people around you, having the few folks who you do tell not believe you, having nothing change when they do- it would be difficult to admit it in front of the biggest stages of the US media.
 
I ripped this off Reddit, the trial videos are like 3 hrs each 😭

Menendez Brothers Evidence of Sexual Abuse


Although hard proof is almost always absent in child sexual abuse cases, there is still plenty of evidence and testimony corroborating their claims:


**NAKED PHOTOS**

Pictures were found of the brothers' naked bodies at 6 and 8 years old which had their heads cut off and focused on their genitals. 6 year old Erik apears to have an erection in one of the photos.

The envelope containing those photographs had their mother's handwriting on it that said "*Erik's 6th birthday*".

These photos were presented by the defense during both [Erik](https://youtu.be/xm3OAj1hqGE) and [Lyle's](https://youtu.be/OCU4gkQdu0Y) direct examination and [closing arguments](https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLRbngWy2JEXR-XghBO0-RKAbPFnY3XQCy).

​

**MEDICAL RECORDS**

There was an unexplained injury to the back of Erik's throat (posterior pharynx, the uvula, and the soft palate) at 7 years old which was consistent with oral rape.

In 1977, Erik was admitted to the E.R. There is a record from the following day from the Princeton Medical Center. It said:

> *Hurt posterior pharynx, uvula, and soft palate.
Healing well. Symptomatic treatment.*

Dr. [Kerry English](https://youtu.be/4hpdMBJwK5g) testified that this type of injury is an indication of oral copulation in children. Nowadays, dentists are trained to look for this injury in children to be able to [detect and report child abuse](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5392397/).

FROM ERIK'S RE-DIRECT EXAMINATION BY BARRY LEVIN, JANUARY 9, 1996:


> Q WHEN HE FORCED ORAL COPULATION ON YOU, DID THAT RESULT IN HIM THRUSTING HIS PENIS FORCIBLY DOWN YOUR THROAT?

> A YES.

> Q DID THAT CAUSE AN INJURY OR HURT YOU?

> A IT HURT ME.

> Q DID IT BRUISE THE THROAT?

> A SOMETIMES.

>

Both of their medical records had many symptoms that were normally seen in children who are sexually abused such as

* gastrointestinal problems

* unexplained abdominal pain

* enuresis

* hematomas and lacerations on their faces and bodies

* frequent headaches

* speech articulation disorder

* teeth grinding

* telogen effluvium

This evidence was discussed by [Dr. Ann Burgess](https://youtu.be/wj4ovbDZO0E) and [Dr. Kerry English](https://youtu.be/4hpdMBJwK5g) in the trial.

​

**BROTHERS TELLING COUSINS ABOUT THE ABUSE AS CHILDREN**

Cousin [Diane Vandermolen](https://youtu.be/OAzbNbMwRYM) was told by Lyle when he was 9 years old that he was “*afraid his dad was going to come into his room*” and that “*he and his dad had been touching each other down there*”. Diane went to get Lyle’s mother and tell her but Kitty said Lyle was making things up and convinced Diane that nothing was wrong.

Erik’s cousin [Andy Cano](https://youtu.be/OAzbNbMwRYM) testified that when Erik was 12 and Andy was 10, Erik had told him that his dad is "*massaging his dick*" and was trying to find out if these massages are normal. He also told Andy that "*these massages are beginning to hurt.*" Andy suggested asking his mother but Erik swore him to secrecy.

Andy was 15 when the brothers were arrested. He died in 2003 at 30 yeas old after an overdose on sleeping pills. His mother told reporters that she's convinced that her son died because he couldn't cope with the incarceration of his cousins.
​

**ERIK’S LETTER TO HIS COUSIN**

After Andy Cano passed away, his mother found a letter in his belongings that 17 year old Erik had written to him some months before killing his parents. In that letter, Erik mentions the ongoing sexual abuse:

> *Mom isn’t doing good. It’s like she’s here physically but mentally, she’s just gone, if you know what I mean. She freaks out over nothing. I feel bad for her. I don’t know why she puts up with dad’s shit. At times, I wish I could talk to her about things, you know? Some day... especially dad and I but the way she worships him and tells him everything, I’m so afraid she’ll tell him whatever I say. I just can’t risk it.*

> *So now I’m stuck here alone. I’ve been trying to avoid dad. It’s still happening Andy but it’s worse for me now. I can’t explain it. He’s so overweight that I just can’t stand to see him. I never know when it’s going to happen and it’s driving me crazy. Every night I stay up thinking he might come in. I need to put it out of my mind. I know what you said before but I’m afraid. You just don’t know dad like I do. He’s crazy! He’s warned me a hundred times about telling anyone. Especially Lyle. Am I a serious whimpus? I don’t know I’ll make it through this. I can handle it, Andy. I need to stop thinking about it.*

This letter was discussed by Lyle and attorney Cliff Gardner in the documentary ["Menendez Brothers: Misjudged?"](https://youtu.be/7uvR-G7o7n8).

​

**TESTIMONY OF COUSINS WHO LIVED AT THE MENENDEZ HOUSE**

Two other cousins, [Alan and Kathleen](https://youtu.be/oEd4Lhcbo5Q) who spent summers at the house said the dad would take the boys to their bedroom and forbid the cousins from going "down the hall".

Brian said he heard cries and groans coming from the bedroom. He said that Kitty would turn the TV volume really high and stop him from going upstairs to see what happened.

Kathy and Brian also testified that Jose and the boys took showers together. Erik talks about these showers when talking to a reporter after the homicides and before they were arrested.

Diane Vandermolen testified that she saw Kitty going to the bathroom to "help Lyle shower" at 14 years old and this would take more than 20 minutes.

​

**KITTY MENENDEZ'S THERAPY NOTES**

Kitty Menendez had said to her therapist six weeks before her death that she was [“hiding sick and embarrassing secrets”](http://menendezmurders.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/therapynotes.jpg) regarding her family.

​

**TAPE RECORDINGS OF DONOVAN GOODREAU**

Lyle's former friend, Donovan Goodreau, was recorded on tape, months before the trial saying that [Lyle revealed the sexual abuse](https://youtu.be/uZqTuSfShc4) of him and his brother to him, after Donovan reveled his own abuse 4 months before the homicides.

>*No, see..see the reason he told me that... he did tell me a lot of things about... you know... his father and stuff like that...*

>*He told me a lot about their past and stuff. And you know it was similar to my own past I... I was molested as a child and I told him that and I guess that opened the gate and he told me and it was like, wow! Lyle and his brother were molested.*

​

**SCHOOL ESSAY "I WILL CHANGE YOUR VERDICT"**

14 year old Lyle wrote a school essay, [“I will change your verdict”](https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1996-01-22-me-27418-story.html), about a man who's sentenced to die for killing a child molester to protect a 12 year old boy. Lyle found out his father was molesting 12 year old Erik for the first time when he was 14.

> *A man awaits his turn on the electric chair. You the average citizens of America put that man there. Now you can taste his death. You hope it hurts and is slow...*

> *Do you know what drove him to do it?*

Lyle, seems to identify with the condemned man, scolding the readers,

> *You never even gave him a chance to talk. He wanted to, you know. He only wanted to say a few things. But no, not you. You couldn’t let this thing talk as if he had rights or feelings. You only looked at the evidence, smiled and yelled GUILTY!!! Why my friend? Why?*

​

**LYLE'S LETTER TO ERIK**

A [17 page letter](https://youtu.be/Do858wwQpDA) was seized from Erik's jail cell that Lyle wrote to him in May 1990 (3 years before their first trial began). Jail deputies searched the jail cells of the brothers in June 1990. This is an excerpt from that letter:

> *We alone know the truth - we alone know the secrets of our families (sic) past. I do not look forward to broadcasting them around the country. I pray that it never has to happen. If it were not for you I doubt I would even try for manslaughter. I would rather try and escape or die. I struggle with my belief that men take responsibility for their actions, pleading abuse is not taking responsibility....*

Prosecutors used the letter in the grand jury proceedings but after the brothers admitted to killing their parents, they no longer needed to use the letter in the first trial. The defense could not present a letter written by the defendant.

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**JOSE SHOWING CHILD PORNOGRAPHY**

One of their neighbors testified that Jose showed dinner guests [a movie containing child pornography](https://youtu.be/VMlcVU1ox5o) and that he found it entertaining.

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**GAY MAGAZINES**

Someone who helped the family move testified that she had found [pornographic gay magazines](https://youtu.be/xhBKc1Mr-Og) in Jose's belongings. (I don't belive this is evidence of Jose being a child molester. Just included it since it was mentioned in the trial.)

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**MENUDO SEXUAL ABUSE ALLEGATIONS**

Jose Menendez was responsible for a boy band called [Menudo](https://www.reddit.com/r/MenendezBrothers/comments/vv0g7j/the_ricky_martin_rumor_was_martin_molested_by/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button) while working at RCA records. Menudo members weren't recruited simply for their talent, once a boy hit puberty, or reached the age of 16, they were removed from the group and replaced by younger performers. Many former members of the band later said that they were sexually abused during their time in Menudo.

After 3 decades, one of the former band members, Roy Rosselló, spoke about Jose Menendez sexually abusing him in the 2023 documentary 'Menendez + Menudo: Boys Betrayed'.

Rosselló alleged in the docuseries that Jose Menendez molested, drugged and raped him when the then-teenager was performing with the Puerto Rican boy band Menudo and Jose Menendez was the head of RCA Records. The 51-year-old was a member of the group from 1983 to 1986.

>*That’s the man here that raped me, That’s the :eek::eek::eek::eek:phile. It’s time for the world to know the truth.*

Rosselló says in the clip while pointing at a photo of the late music executive

>*I know what he did to me in his house.*

Another member of the band, Angelo Garcia, detailed the extensive physical and sexual abuse he experienced during his two-year stint in the group.

> *I was raped a series of times, and that was the way that predators would take advantage of me,*

Angelo recounts being plied with alcohol and passing out. When he woke up,

> *I was naked and I was bleeding, so I knew that I had been penetrated, I had, like, these burn marks on my face from the rug… I was very confused and didn’t understand.*

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**MADAME CHERI WOODS**

Brothel madame [Cheri Woods](https://www.reddit.com/r/MenendezBrothers/comments/x4xvkc/brothel_madame_cheri_woods_encounters_with_jose/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button), who sent Jose Menendez escorts, revealed that he would always ask for underage and petite girls, one of her girls came back bleeding everywhere after spending time with Jose which scared many of the other women.

Woods said she met Jose Menendez in the early '80s, when the Cuban immigrant first took his job as a top executive at Carolco Pictures. For the next several years, Woods claimed, Menendez "called her every week to ask for girls."

Menendez had firm specifications with his orders.

> *He insisted that the girls be no more than 13 years old and petite, but I never employed minors, so I sent my youngest-looking girls.*

> *Once, he tried to strangle a very sweet girl as he had sex with her, she was so scared she refused to go back to him - regardless of how much he wanted to pay her.*

On another occasion, Menendez slapped his date around. And, according to Woods, as he pretended to rape her, she shouted "nasty and macho language" at her.

The final deal between Woods and Menendez took place some six years before he and his wife, Kitty, were found murdered. On this particular date, Menendez allegedly severely injured one of Woods' girls with whips and various sex toys.

> *The girl came back with scratches and bruises all over, I decided to stop taking his calls.*

> *I believe that Jose's sexual appetite for teenagers and his violent tendencies could easily spill over into home life. Seeing what he did and could've done to the girls, his sons had good reason to think that Jose could hurt them if he wanted to.*

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<damn>

I kinda remember hearing that their defense claimed sexual abuse but didn't know of any details.

At the same time, they were 21 and 19 years old when they did it. What's some middle-aged man going to do to a couple of grown adults?
 

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