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It's a simple matter of value and viability. German culture, industry, science and technology are truly illustrious and the Allies scraped their initial ideas of turning it into a pastoral nation quickfast, lol. You see things like Operation Paperclip mentioned often, but this rarely gets attention.
Operation Osoaviakhim (Операция Осоавиахим) was a Soviet operation which took place on 22 October 1946, when NKVD and Soviet Army units removed more than 2,200 German engineers, scientists and technicians from the Soviet occupation zone of post-World War II Germany for employment in the Soviet Union. Much related equipment was also moved, the aim being to literally transplant research and production such as the relocated V-2 rocket center at Mittelwerk Nordhausen, from Germany to the Soviet Union, and collect as much material as possible such as from the Luftwaffe's central military aviation test center at Erprobungstelle Rechlin, taken by the Red Army on 2 May 1945.
The USSR's main Nazi man, a genius no doubt.
Helmut Gröttrup (12 February 1916 – 4 July 1981) was a German engineer, rocket scientist and inventor of the smart card. During World War II, he worked in the German V-2 rocket program under Wernher von Braun. From 1946 to 1953, he headed a group of 170 German scientists who were forced to work for the Soviet rocketry program under Sergei Korolev. After returning to West Germany in December 1953, he developed data processing systems and contributed to early commercial applications of computer science. In 1967, Gröttrup invented the basic principles of the smart card as a forgery-proof "key" for secure identification and access control.
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Oh yeah no doubt the German Nation even though it’s destroyed still offered much more than Eastern Europe did. Also it would be much harder for Western forces to free say Hungary, Romania and Poland that it would be to occupy Germany which they were occupying much of at the time. Also for pragmatism would you mentioned the German republic had a really excellent education system which is what the Nazis were able to exploit as we’ve talked before that the Nazi education system left a lot to be desired. Also I think it was Berlin before the war they had a GDP higher than all of Polands. Which again makes it much more of a better choice
It's the GOAT country for classical music, mathematics and the physical sciences. And yeah, it was early 19th century Prussian educator Wilhelm von Humboldt's idea that university professors ought to pursue cutting-edge research as well as teaching, and it had a profound impact on Germany's education system becoming the best in the world. This had been set into motion by Frederick The Great's enlightenment-inspired policies and reforms. But it went well beyond that with non-university research insitutions as well, namely the Kaiser Wilhelm Society (since renamed after Max Planck, the father of quantum theory in physics).
I could write full blown essays on a dozen different individual engineers and scientists during the Nazi era, their work and interactions with the state that made it such a fucking powerhouse. And this prowess isn't even necessarily yesterday's news. It still boasts the Max Planck Gesellschaft, Fraunhofer Gesellschaft zur Förderung der angewandten Forschung, Helmholtz-Gemeinschaft Deutscher Forschungszentren und Leibniz-Gemeinschaft today, all of them elite R&D organizations. The MPG alone has 83 separate institutes under its umbrella dedicated and spread through every field and sub-field of the physical and life sciences.
Industry? It's the envy of the fucking world, even if the world itself is largely unaware of it.




