Mel Gibson did armbar and triangle choke in Lethal weapon (1987) way before UFC 1 and Gracies

[B0l0joe]

Better show James Cagney some respect.

I’ve always liked this fight scene.

 

[Lee_]

Mel had heard the guy was a jew.

 

[Tapatio]

Lol mods combine this with the other two hundred

 

[Mohawk Banditó]

Bruce Lee was doing arm bars in the 60s.

Same energy

 

[mkt]

I find it kind of odd you think a Gaijin like Jason DeLucia was using a secret technique against Japanese catch wrestlers who seemingly had no knowledge of it. You’re probably right that Severn had no knowledge of it, but Im willing to bet Shammy must have learned of it while he was training in Japan.

Delucia lost to Royce in a Gracie Challenge fight before the UFC, then studied at the Gracie Academy before his first UFC fight. He submitted his first UFC opponent IIRC, and that was based on what he learned from the Gracies. He fought and studied in Japan later.
Interview with Jason Delucia on TotalMMA.com - Bullshido - The Art of Fighting BS
"Although we used Judo in those days to improve throwing and
takedowns, we didn't spend much more than rudimentary time on mat
work," DeLucia said. "It was not until I went to the Gracie Academy
in California that I had seen the ground game taken to its extreme. In
those days, the only people fighting like that where I'm from were in
law enforcement."

 

[Eric Silva 2.0]

Mel Gibson is a legend...

He seems like the Jon Jones of the movies. Very talented but seems to be a troubled dude.

 

[Pechan]

But all fighters in first couple of UFCs didn't know shit about it??? You don't find that strange? Hollywood knew, but guys entering no-rule fighting didn't??

Shamrock did, the commentators did, most of the fighters had an idea probably but everyone was stuck in their ways back them, my style is better than any other BS.

 

[Pierced7681]

Delucia lost to Royce in a Gracie Challenge fight before the UFC, then studied at the Gracie Academy before his first UFC fight. He submitted his first UFC opponent IIRC, and that was based on what he learned from the Gracies. He fought and studied in Japan later.
Interview with Jason Delucia on TotalMMA.com - Bullshido - The Art of Fighting BS
""Although we used Judo in those days to improve throwing and
takedowns, we didn't spend much more than rudimentary time on mat
work," DeLucia said. "It was not until I went to the Gracie Academy
in California that I had seen the ground game taken to its extreme. In
those days, the only people fighting like that where I'm from were in
law enforcement."

Yeah I know his martial arts history, that’s not the point I’m making though. Reread what I said. You’re basically saying a Gaijin (Jason DeLucia) was using a secret technique taught to him by the Gracies to help beat Japanese catch wrestlers in Pancrase. You really think Japanese catch wrestlers had no knowledge of the triangle choke even though it was used for generations in Japanese Jiu Jitsu and Judo? They may not have been masters at submitting people with it, but I guarantee they were aware of the submission.

 

[Blayt7hh]

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You’re welcome, casual lmao

People in here bashing the Gracie’s when it was a Gracie that showed them the moves lol

 

[Phisher]

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You’re welcome, casual lmao

17 responses before someone points out that Rorian choreographed the scene.

This forum is slipping.

 

[jitzmonkey]

I was too. Surprised and disappointed.

I find it kind of odd you think a Gaijin like Jason DeLucia was using a secret technique against Japanese catch wrestlers who seemingly had no knowledge of it. You’re probably right that Severn had no knowledge of it, but Im willing to bet Shammy must have learned of it while he was training in Japan.

 

[clutchCAT420]

I love Lethal Weapon series. Huge part of my childhood

Young buck spotted

 

[mkt]

Yeah I know his martial arts history, that’s not the point I’m making though. Reread what I said. You’re basically saying a Gaijin (Jason DeLucia) was using a secret technique taught to him by the Gracies to help beat Japanese catch wrestlers in Pancrase. You really think Japanese catch wrestlers had no knowledge of the triangle choke even though it was used for generations in Japanese Jiu Jitsu and Judo? They may not have been masters at submitting people with it, but I guarantee they were aware of the submission.

I don't think they did prior to the Gracies. Obviously they knew about them by the mid-90s. Sakuraba was a great example of a fighter who studied what the Gracies did and tailored his own style to beat them. But there's no point debating it more. We'll never know which (if any) fighters knew about triangles back then. The only thing that would prove early Pancrase guys knew about the triangle would be a triangle submission or attempt circa 1992 or 1993. I'm almost positive that never happened.

 

[Willek]

The only Gracie I ever liked was Helio because he told the rest of them to shut the hell up about their BS gym records.

 

[froggyluv]

I saw that movie in 87' in the Hood and the whole audience went "AHHH SH*T!!!!!!" when he pulled off that move on Mr Joshua

 

[CerebralKnievel]

The responses on page one are pathetic. You limp wrists don't remember Lethal Weapon? Jesus.. go listen to some more Lil Wayne and blow each other to engage your Woke status.

 

[Gamer2k4]

Shamrock did, the commentators did, most of the fighters had an idea probably but everyone was stuck in their ways back them, my style is better than any other BS.

Were they actually stuck in those ways? Or did the people running things just figure a "which martial art is best" spectacle would be the most interesting to potential viewers?

 

[Mangar]

I always hear about UFC 1 bringing BJJ to US (or at least to wider public), but i recently (re)watched Lethal weapon 1 and Mel Gibson was doing armbar and triangle in 1987.

If actors knew about BJJ in 1987, how come Kimo, Dan Severn and Shamrock were surprised and unprepared for this ,,new,, fight style? Did they not watch movies?

Could Mel Gibson be sensei to mma fighters before the chosen one (Steven Sigal)?



Triangle is at 3:30 if you don't want to watch all video.

You posted this at 4:20, please tell me you were high.

 

[Bjjpitbull8]

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You’re welcome, casual lmao

 

[dog y]

This would of been a much better thread with a video clip.



Also Brazilian jiu-jitsu and japanese jiu-jitsu and judo ..predate UFC 1 and 1987 and they all have triangles and armbars in their styles...

Thanks for coming out



Also YELLOW BELT CONFIRMED ( mans thought bjj started at UFC 1)

I learned just a few years ago from my judo cousin that Jiu jitsu is actually older than Judo. Never bothered to check the dates but it blew my mind.

Edit: I'm reading and trying to write the info here as I go but now the damn page refreshes and I lose what I've written every time I switch pages.
Judo is from 1882, derived from JJ. Jiu jitsu oldest form is 3600 years old. And a more current form is from ~1550.