Social Mehdi Hasan DESTROYS Mattie Walsh

[deviake]

Matt "I would look like a naked mole rat without a beard" Walsh who knows little about history but has strong opinions about it claimed that Christianity built the US.

Mehdi Hasan notes that up to 1 in 3 slaves were black Muslims, who built the much of the country.

Mattie gets up in his feelings, rebuts nothing. As Bennie Hill Shapiro would say, facts don't care about feelings.

Mehdi notes that Muslims fought in several major US wars, including on the Union side. The Golden Age of Islam which helped fuel the renaissance/enlightenment in Europe which helped produce the US founding fathers. The planning of the moon landings was a Muslim American scientist and immigrant, as was the engineering in skyscrapers, brain tumor treatments and this year a Palestinian American immigrant won the Nobel Prize for chemistry, etc.

Never ceases being amusing when rightwing influencers go up against people who are actually smart and educated and have done something with their lives. This was a worse beatdown than Ryan Grim gave him. Three minutes of sheer brutality.

TL;DW, TL;DR

Mehdi is on the left

 

[Sinister]

Yeah Walsh really should shut the f*ck up after that level of dog-walking.

There aren't many people who could take on Medhi when it comes to discourse. Not only will he make you look like ab idiot he'll educate your audience. I didn't even know about how many Muslim slaves there were, and those notable Muslims he mentioned.

 

[Satanical Eve]

Want to know how really misinformed American's are about Muslims here. I am from NY and was in 12th grade during 9/11. A week or so after the attacks my Sikh friend Amandeep and I were jumped by other students after school one day. Thankfully neither of us got hurt that bad but it was disgusting. Telling him to go back to whatever shithole Muslim country his family came from. Also called him a Sand N and other slurs. Funny because his family is from India. Ended up finding out that these types of incidents were common after 9/11 for a decent amount of time.

By the way. I love that gif. Mirko Cro Cop had the best high kick ever!

 

[deviake]

Yeah Walsh really should shit the f*ck up after that level of dog-walking.

There aren't many people who could take on Medhi when it comes to discourse. Not only will he make you look like ab idiot he'll educate your audience. I didn't even know about how many Muslim slaves there were, and those notable Muslims he mentioned.

I was unaware too. I knew that the ME contributed heavily to language (the "al" prefix in a lot of words is apparently from Arabic) and mathematics but not specifically Muslims here. There's a longer video where Mehdi addresses homophobic he made 20 years ago and actually ethers Mattie even further. I haven't seen the whole thing but I saw those clips on Secular Talk.

Want to know how really misinformed American's are about Muslims here. I am from NY and was in 12th grade during 9/11. A week or so after the attacks my Sikh friend Amandeep and I were jumped by other students after school one day. Thankfully neither of us got hurt that bad but it was disgusting. Telling him to go back to whatever shithole Muslim country his family came from. Also called him a Sand N and other slurs. Funny because his family is from India. Ended up finding out that these types of incidents were common after 9/11 for a decent amount of time.

By the way. I love that gif. Mirko Cro Cop had the best high kick ever!

That's so fucked up and unfortunately not surprising. I remember a comedian making joking that 9/11 took the heat off black people for awhile if I recall correctly. I don't remember who.

At an old job we had a trucker come through who was from the Middle East. One of my coworkers asked where he was from and he said, "what the president calls 'the axis of evil'" which cracked us up.

Cro Cop bless. He sometimes kicked so high it almost went over the person's head lol.

 

[F1980]

They need to debate one on one. I dont like these rebuttals where the other guy isn't even in the room to reply.

 

[deviake]

They need to debate one on one. I dont like these rebuttals where the other guy isn't even in the room to reply.

Mehdi would disembowel him as he did here. Walsh is a dullard of catastrophic proportions. Mehdi is an actual journalist who... reads things. Rightwing hacks never fair well against real motherfuckers. The only way they ever seem remotely convincing is if they have a strong grasp of rhetorical tricks and utilize those against people who aren't extremely well studied - or against people who are but aren't skilled in deftly sidestepping and cutting through those tricks - to appear more knowledgeable than they are to an audience who doesn't know better.

Walsh isn't skilled or knowledgeable. Real journos generally only engage in this stuff to show the person's audience how actually stupid/grifting they are.

Krystal Ball recently debated Tomi Lahren. It was sanctioned murder.

 

[F1980]

Mehdi would disembowel him as he did here. Walsh is a dullard of catastrophic proportions. Mehdi is an actual journalist who... reads things. Rightwing hacks never fair well against real motherfuckers. The only way they ever seem remotely convincing is if they have a strong grasp of rhetorical tricks and utilize those against people who aren't extremely well studied - or against people who are but aren't skilled in deftly sidestepping and cutting through those tricks - to appear more knowledgeable than they are to an audience who doesn't know better.

Walsh isn't skilled or knowledgeable. Real journos generally only engage in this stuff to show the person's audience how actually stupid/grifting they are.

Krystal Ball recently debated Tomi Lahren. It was sanctioned murder.

Then wouldn't it be a great idea to have them debate so we can see Matt Walsh get dominated?

 

[deviake]

Then wouldn't it be a great idea to have them debate so we can see Matt Walsh get dominated?

I don't care either way. I already know what will happen

 

[Rob Battisti]

Matt "I would look like a naked mole rat without a beard" Walsh who knows little about history but has strong opinions about it claimed that Christianity built the US.

Mehdi Hasan notes that up to 1 in 3 slaves were black Muslims, who built the much of the country.

Mattie gets up in his feelings, rebuts nothing. As Bennie Hill Shapiro would say, facts don't care about feelings.

Mehdi notes that Muslims fought in several major US wars, including on the Union side. The Golden Age of Islam which helped fuel the renaissance/enlightenment in Europe which helped produce the US founding fathers. The planning of the moon landings was a Muslim American scientist and immigrant, as was the engineering in skyscrapers, brain tumor treatments and this year a Palestinian American immigrant won the Nobel Prize for chemistry, etc.

Never ceases being amusing when rightwing influencers go up against people who are actually smart and educated and have done something with their lives. This was a worse beatdown than Ryan Grim gave him. Three minutes of sheer brutality.

TL;DW, TL;DR

Mehdi is on the left

1/3 American slaves were Muslim?

 

[deviake]

1/3 American slaves were Muslim?

Up to, yes.

 

[Rob Battisti]

Up to, yes.

Just looked it up. Looks like that’s not the case.

Looks like ~10-20% potentially from west Africa were Muslim but by 1865 it was under 5%.

 

[Osculater]

Matt "I would look like a naked mole rat without a beard" Walsh who knows little about history but has strong opinions about it claimed that Christianity built the US.

Mehdi Hasan notes that up to 1 in 3 slaves were black Muslims, who built the much of the country.

Mattie gets up in his feelings, rebuts nothing. As Bennie Hill Shapiro would say, facts don't care about feelings.

Mehdi notes that Muslims fought in several major US wars, including on the Union side. The Golden Age of Islam which helped fuel the renaissance/enlightenment in Europe which helped produce the US founding fathers. The planning of the moon landings was a Muslim American scientist and immigrant, as was the engineering in skyscrapers, brain tumor treatments and this year a Palestinian American immigrant won the Nobel Prize for chemistry, etc.

Never ceases being amusing when rightwing influencers go up against people who are actually smart and educated and have done something with their lives. This was a worse beatdown than Ryan Grim gave him. Three minutes of sheer brutality.

TL;DW, TL;DR

Mehdi is on the left

The alternative facts says that all those statements are false

 

[deviake]

Just looked it up. Looks like that’s not the case.

Looks like ~10-20% potentially from west Africa were Muslim but by 1865 it was under 5%.

It's an estimate that goes up to 1/3rd. Haven't looked into the numbers by 1865 but it dropping over time wouldn't surprise me.

 

[Rob Battisti]

It's an estimate that goes up to 1/3rd. Haven't looked into the numbers by 1865 but it dropping over time wouldn't surprise me.

Just from what I see, the estimate is high. The assertion is that 1/3 of the people that built “much of this country” were Muslim is disingenuous at best.

 

[deviake]

Just from what I see, the estimate is high. The assertion is that 1/3 of the people that built “much of this country” were Muslim is disingenuous at best.

Considering that is the highest the estimate goes, it is literally on the high end. Historians aren't 100%, that's why the caveat is used and it's not stated as fact. Doesn't negate the point, regardless, that Muslims literally had a hand in physically building the country, never mind the rest.

 

[Sinister]

Just from what I see, the estimate is high. The assertion is that 1/3 of the people that built “much of this country” were Muslim is disingenuous at best.

Saying "up to 1/3" is definitely not disingenuous. Some areas of the US had as high as 40% of slaves who were originally Muslims.

That being said you know how many Muslims American kids are taught were represented in the enslaved populations? ZERO.

You know what's an outright lie? All the sh*t Matty white-Walsh said.

 

[Rob Battisti]

Saying "up to 1/3" is definitely not disingenuous. Some areas of the US had as high as 40% of slaves who were originally Muslims.

That being said you know how many Muslims American kids are taught were represented in the enslaved populations? ZERO.

You know what's an outright lie? All the sh*t Matty white-Walsh said.

Painting with broad strokes is always silly. By 1865 it was basically non-existent.

 

[Source]

Just looked it up. Looks like that’s not the case.

Looks like ~10-20% potentially from west Africa were Muslim but by 1865 it was under 5%.

Would you supply your source?


Here is an opening from the first article I found.


Scholars estimate that as many as 30% of the African slaves brought to the U.S., from West and Central African countries like Gambia and Cameroon, were Muslim. Among the difficulties they faced, were also those related to their faith.

As a scholar of Muslim communities in the West, I know African slaves were forced to abandon their Islamic faith and practices by their owners, both to separate them from their culture and religious roots and also to "civilize" them to Christianity.

Muslims arrived in America 400 years ago as part of the slave trade and today are vastly diverse

Muslims are not new to America. The first Muslims came as slaves and left a deep influence on a host of music genres, such as the blues and jazz.

clas.wayne.edu

Ibn Said was among the approximately one-third of American slaves who were Muslim. While the exact number of enslaved Muslims is unknown, up to 40 percent of those who were captured and enslaved came from predominantly Muslim parts of West Africa.

America's First Muslims Were Slaves

Approximately 1/3 of enslaved Africans in the antebellum South came from predominantly Islamic parts of West Africa

www.voanews.com

 

[Halifax]

Matt "I would look like a naked mole rat without a beard" Walsh who knows little about history but has strong opinions about it claimed that Christianity built the US.

Mehdi Hasan notes that up to 1 in 3 slaves were black Muslims, who built the much of the country.

Mattie gets up in his feelings, rebuts nothing. As Bennie Hill Shapiro would say, facts don't care about feelings.

Mehdi notes that Muslims fought in several major US wars, including on the Union side. The Golden Age of Islam which helped fuel the renaissance/enlightenment in Europe which helped produce the US founding fathers. The planning of the moon landings was a Muslim American scientist and immigrant, as was the engineering in skyscrapers, brain tumor treatments and this year a Palestinian American immigrant won the Nobel Prize for chemistry, etc.

Never ceases being amusing when rightwing influencers go up against people who are actually smart and educated and have done something with their lives. This was a worse beatdown than Ryan Grim gave him. Three minutes of sheer brutality.

TL;DW, TL;DR

Mehdi is on the left

Is the golden age of Islam really relevant to this conversation? Yes it was responsible for much of human advancements. It was achieved through wars of expansion, conquest and colonization and then assimilation of the knowledge of existing cultures(Greek, Roman, Persian)they conquered an overran. And yes, slavery lol. They had the monopoly on worldwide slavery. Shit it still exists in places there.

Seems like a strange place to base your props

 

[Possum Jenkins]

Looks like ~10-20% potentially from west Africa were Muslim but by 1865 it was under 5%.

Well the slave trade ended in the very early 1800s with the vast majority of slave ships arriving before about the mid 1700s.

So by 1865, most slaves were at least 4 generations removed from Africa. Of course the number of Muslim slaves remaining is going to be tiny.