McGregor’s bottom game

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Curious what opinions are out there on this:

We’ve seen McGregor spend a lot of his time on bottom against some of the more pressure heavy wrestlers like Khabib and really take a pounding. Also has a history of being choked from behind in the khabib and Diaz fight for instance.

His top game has always been there, and he finishes quickly when he gets to control distance and then hammer his opponents out.

But I wonder where he’s spending his time in preparation for his comeback.

Love to hear your takes.
 
Considering McGregor was not what he used to be against Khabib (not saying he would win), his grappling in general is better than most give him credit for. When he was in his prime, he knew what he needed to do while on the back or against the cage, and he did it well for someone who has a pure striking background. Certainly was better than the likes of Poirer and Gaethje.
 
It's way better than tons of fighters who never get theirs mentioned. He's escaped and reversed submissions, crucifixes, mounts, and tons of bad places from great grapplers like Khabib, Mendes, Dustin, Diaz, Brandao, etc., and everybody just pretends they never happened.

Skillwise he'd have gotten his black belt years ago if he was anybody else.
 
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markg171 said:
Such as? Everybody will try and say Diaz or Khabib as though he didn't escape submissions/positions right before those endings.

That's just getting outgrappled by the superior grappler.
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When Nate had him in mount he instantly turned his back because he didn't want a KO loss but he seemed OK with a submission loss. Khabib also wanted to prolong the beating
 
One Pneuma said:
Love to hear your takes.
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When Mendes still had energy, McGregor's answer off his back was to complain towards the ref.

Against Nurmagomedov he was allowed to commit at least 19 fouls without a single point being taken, so I don't know how anyone could reference that fight as an indicator of McGregor's "bottom game".
 
TheMessiah said:
When Nate had him in mount he instantly turned his back because he didn't want a KO loss but he seemed OK with a submission loss. Khabib also wanted to prolong the beating
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Except Nate had him in mount because he'd first escaped Nate's guillotine. Same with Khabib. Khabib had his back because he'd first escaped Khabib's mount.

Both Nate and Khabib transitioned with him and beat him to the next position. You know, like the superior grapplers they were.

Like I said, this doesn't hold up to what actually happened. He had existing opportunities to quit before the endings and didn't take them.

acannxr said:
When Mendes still had energy, McGregor's answer off his back was to complain towards the ref.
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Weird, cause in reality he:
  • Escaped back to his feet 4 times
  • Escaped a crucifix
  • Elbowed Mendes so hard Mendes was the one complaining to the ref
acannxr said:
Against Nurmagomedov he was allowed to commit at least 19 fouls without a single point being taken, so I don't know how anyone could reference that fight as an indicator of McGregor's "bottom game".
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Probably because he still successfully did things like:
  • Kept Khabib to guard for an entire round
  • Escaped a kimura. No, there was no illegal knee that saved him. That occurred 20 seconds before the kimura ever did, y'all just never like showing the full sequence where Khabib hadn't even begun the kimura yet
  • Escaped back to his feet after getting dropped and 10-8'd for nearly an entire round
  • Escaped mount in round 4
Etc.

It's honestly weird and delusional the lengths you guys go to to discredit him, even when your fighter wins. Like, is it somehow supposed to make them BETTER that it took 4 rounds to beat such a shitty grappler? Cause that's what you imply every time you pretend he didn't successfully accomplish things defensively.
 
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It's good, everyone just fights Khabib completely incorrectly on bottom. They make his job easier for him and give him every angle he wants.
Testament to his ability. Guy is pure smesh and his opponents think they're going to survive long enough to annoy him into letting go. Not the move
 
It's better defensively than he gets credit for.

I actually think his striking is overrated and his ground game is underrated.

Honestly I was supremely surprised it took Khabib as long as it did to find a sub.

Also I always thought that Artem was the bottom.
 
markg171 said:
Except Nate had him in mount because he'd first escaped Nate's guillotine. Same with Khabib. Khabib had his back because he'd first escaped Khabib's mount.

Both Nate and Khabib transitioned with him and beat him to the position. You know, like the superior grapplers they were.

Like I said, this doesn't hold up to what actually happened. He had existing opportunities to quit before the endings and didn't take them.



Weird, cause in reality he:
  • Escaped back to his feet 4 times
  • Escaped a crucifix
  • Elbowed Mendes so hard Mendes was the one complaining to the ref


Probably because he still successfully did things like:
  • Kept Khabib to guard for an entire round
  • Escaped a kimura. No, there was no illegal knee. That occurred 30 seconds before the kimura ever did, y'all just never like showing the full sequence where Khabib hadn't even begun the kimura yet
  • Escaped back to his feet after getting dropped and 10-8'd for an entire round
  • Escaped mount
Etc.

It's honestly weird and delusional the lengths you guys go to to discredit him, even when your fighter wins. Like, is it somehow supposed to make them BETTER that it took 4 rounds to beat such a shitty grappler? Is that actually your position? Cause that's what you imply every time you pretend he didn't successfully accomplish things defensively.
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Khabib wanted to prolong the beating, he even stood a whole round with Conor to embarrass him more. Also Conor was cheating by grabbing his gloves and throwing illegal elbows and knees on the ground
 
TheMessiah said:
Khabib wanted to prolong the beating, he even stood a whole round with Conor to embarrass him more. Also Conor was cheating by grabbing his gloves and throwing illegal elbows and knees on the ground
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Khabib wanted to prolong the beating, which is exactly why he tried so hard to finish him in round 2 with his striking, ground and pound, and submissions?

Make up your damn minds.

He also never willingly stood a whole round with Conor. He attempted his most TDs all fight in round 3, and Conor successfully defended all of them. He was forced to stand with Conor, which is the complete opposite of what you're saying.

And the illegal knee is another complete fandom myth. It occurred before Khabib ever even had the kimura, and Khabib maintained his exact same grip throughout it. It never stopped any submission. Again, Khabib tried to finish and simply failed. It's the exact opposite of what you guys try and pretend happened.
 
One Pneuma said:
Curious what opinions are out there on this:

We’ve seen McGregor spend a lot of his time on bottom against some of the more pressure heavy wrestlers like Khabib and really take a pounding. Also has a history of being choked from behind in the khabib and Diaz fight for instance.

His top game has always been there, and he finishes quickly when he gets to control distance and then hammer his opponents out.

But I wonder where he’s spending his time in preparation for his comeback.

Love to hear your takes.
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I disagree with the notion he took a pounding from khabib. He really wasn’t damaged much in that fight at all. He covered up.

he just gassed and got dominated
 
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