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the muslim faith calls for the death of all infidels. if the quran was a recently created book being followed by people that group would be considered a terrorist group.
Mayor of London, Sadiq Khan - "terror attacks are part and parcel of life in a big city"
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the muslim faith calls for the death of all infidels. if the quran was a recently created book being followed by people that group would be considered a terrorist group.
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I wasn't, I was simply pointing out that the IRA, most of the time, phoned ahead to let the police know that they'd planted a bomb. This was so the area could be evacuated and the only damage would be to surrounding buildings, not to human life.
Look at this video of an IRA bomb...
That was on a Saturday. 75,000 people were evacuated from the area. If the IRA were the same as Islamic extremists, they would've set the bomb off with no warning, which would have almost certainly killed hundreds, injuring thousands more.
I clearly said "the IRA would often phone ahead". That doesn't mean all the time. The IRA could have killed far more than they did, but to kill as many people as possible was never their plan. Exactly what am I trying to "rationalise"? I am stating a fact that the goal of Islamic extremists is to kill and many innocent people as possible, whilst the IRA were obviously different.
Also, the IRA had disagreements on innocent life being taken, which is why so many splinter groups came out of the original IRA. Some IRA members thought it was okay to kill innocents, whilst others disagreed. The Birmingham pub bombings are said to have been done by the IRA, but they never took responsibility for it. Ninety minutes before both the Manchester & Canary Wharf bombings in 1996 the IRA phoned ahead, so as to avoid casualties. Canary Wharf wasn't evacuated well enough so two were killed and 36 injured, but had they not phoned ahead, it would have been A LOT worse. Hundreds would have probably been killed. The IRA's motive was not to kill as many people as possible. Do you not understand this? Islamic extremists are the complete OPPOSITE as they purposely do everything in their power to kill as many as possible.
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The IRA are responsible for thousands of deaths over the years, the majority being innocent lives. If you really believe that they never intended to kill innocent people, well they did a terrible job didn't they.
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Says the man with his head in the sand muttering a silly argument.
The IRA had tangible, substantial reasons to carry out the awful things they did. i.e. a response to something, something REAL! As to where attacks by Muslims inspired by Islam are in the most simple aspect; just killing you because you're not Muslims or disagree is some way with their psychopath prophet.
I'm the 1st to be born in the US in my family. I would have been born in London like my sisters but the fact my Protestant English Dad married my Irish Roman Catholic mother caused a shitload of problems for them in London. My old man was a Olympic swimmer for England and a Judo champion. "Dropping a fool on his head won't cure his ignorance" he said when talking about that time. I've never heard my dad ever say a swear word. "Bloody hell" was the only thing close, super chill dude who had to defend himself and family constantly in southwest London (Wimbledon) mind you. East end would have been abhorrent. Family relocated to California late 70's and that was the end of every aspect of discrimination they had to endure. People would call my sisters half breeds for Christs sake... Then most of those people ended up with headaches.
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The IRA killed about 1,000 British military personnel, 45 Loyalist Paramilitary personnel, 581 civilians, and few others (politicians, policemen etc etc). That's over a period of 35+ years, too (during The Troubles). These figures also include killings by splinter groups such as the OIRA (Original IRA), CIRA (Continuity IRA), RIRA (Real IRA) and probably others.
It must also be pointed out that the IRA never claimed responsibility for the Birmingham pub bombings, although it has always been attributed to them. This is how splinter groups came about, because the IRA's ideology was never about killing as many people as possible, because by killing innocents, it only damaged their cause. Their cause was purely political. Islamic extremists' cause is to please their bloodthirsty 'god' enough.
This is a lie. 'Conflict Archive on the Internet' broke down the numbers and during The Troubles, the IRA killed about 581 civilians. That is not the majority. The vast majority of the people the IRA killed were British military personnel.
Take a look for yourself:
http://www.cain.ulst.ac.uk/sutton/book/index.html
Why are you so fucking incapable of understanding what I'm saying? The IRA, as a group, was not about killing as many people as possible. Some IRA members WERE okay with killing innocents which is why splinter groups came about. Do you understand what a 'splinter group' is?
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Does he know that that is basically admitting that the terrorists have changed 'normal' and thus he is declaring defeat?
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Ofcourse i understand what a splinter group is. What I cant seem to comprehend is where you disagree with me. My origional point was that terrorism was present in the UK prior to islamic extremists. My argumenr was never who was worse..? So while you raise valid points which I do not disagree with, you have not disproved my point in the slightest.
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We already are ashamed of them. The fact that your mainstream media doesn't show it, isn't our fault. I've never met a muslim in my life that isn't ashamed of those assholes. Look into who's funding these guys and you'll find the real problem.
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London is done. The rest of UK, it will take several decades more, but it will fall to Islam as well. Then London will get a new name, just like Constantinople.
In this London mayor, you have a voice of the Muslim Brotherhood telling you how to vote. If you want to preserve your culture, i suggest you vote the opposite.
In this London mayor, you have a voice of the Muslim Brotherhood telling you how to vote. If you want to preserve your culture, i suggest you vote the opposite.
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Nuke Mecca. There is no downside.
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Don't nuke Mecca. Just get rid of these assholes that are funding these terrorist like Turkey, US, Israel, France, and Saudi Arabia.
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Why aren't "moderate muslims" actively hunting and killing them?
Why do you worship a
phile warlord? How do you reconcile that?
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No - Nuke Mecca and the bullshit religion is proven a lie. I'd destroy all holy lands; Mecca, Medina, Jerusalem. There is no value in any ancient religion.
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And it's a totally irrelevant point.
I haven't disproved it because I have no need to - it was never what I was arguing against. I simply pointed out that there's a clear difference between the IRA and Islamic extremists.
I have no idea. Is it relevant to what you initially said that America is a bastion of freedom whilst industrially imprisoning it's own citizens at a greater rate than any other country on the entire planet?
You don't see the evidence of removing peoples freedom en masse, as evidence that contradicts your initial (ludicrous) claim?
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Goddammit
Mods can you throw a yellow card or two out for this nonsense
He actually said and not taken out of context
The major cities of the world need to be prepared and vigilant for terrorist attacks. We need to stick together and not be divided by extremist on both sides. Fear mongrring and pointing fingers will only make things worse.
And I agree
We need to stop letting the rich divide us up and turning us on each other. It's not America versus Muslims. It's rich versus poor and we need to stop letting every loud mouthed asshole spewing hate lead us into a war while they get rich. People stay in power and rich beyond our wildest dreams by having the rich jackass go "those people are evil, but I'll protect you, give me power" and a bunch of morons falling for it.
Mods can you throw a yellow card or two out for this nonsense
He actually said and not taken out of context
The major cities of the world need to be prepared and vigilant for terrorist attacks. We need to stick together and not be divided by extremist on both sides. Fear mongrring and pointing fingers will only make things worse.
And I agree
We need to stop letting the rich divide us up and turning us on each other. It's not America versus Muslims. It's rich versus poor and we need to stop letting every loud mouthed asshole spewing hate lead us into a war while they get rich. People stay in power and rich beyond our wildest dreams by having the rich jackass go "those people are evil, but I'll protect you, give me power" and a bunch of morons falling for it.
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Would be funny if he was stabbed by his mom, it would be just another terrorism attack done by a muslim
