Media Max "It is what it was" Holloway on Volk Decision

[Wonderfight]

There were no knockdowns.

Max was outstruck by 10, 10 and 14 strikes in the last 3 rounds.

I'm talking about Volk getting 10-9 round, just like Max, by doing significantly less damage than Max did in first one for example. Point system just favors numbers more than what they actually consist of. Max was winning rounds for walking him down, dropping him and legitimately hurting Volk. It just makes no sense for that to count as much as Volk touching him few times more in rounds without significant difference in damage and influence on opponent.

 

[machidafan99]

He seems to hate doing interviews which I can respect.

 

[chinarice]

I'm talking about Volk getting 10-9 round, just like Max, by doing significantly less damage than Max did in first one for example. Point system just favors numbers more than what they actually consist of. Max was winning rounds for walking him down, dropping him and legitimately hurting Volk. It just makes no sense for that to count as much as Volk touching him few times more in rounds without significant difference in damage and influence on opponent.

Where do you get your damage meters for your stream/tv? I need that.

 

[Wonderfight]

Where do you get your damage meters for your stream/tv? I need that.

Are we gonna act that we cant see compromised fighters or that we can't see them fall on their knees when they get clipped. Or anything close to that in any fight.

 

[chinarice]

Are we gonna act that we cant see compromised fighters or that we can't see them fall on their knees when they get clipped. Or anything close to that in any fight.

Max - 1,2

Volk - 4, 5

All that is really questionable is round 3. Here is a breakdown:


If you're trying to insinuate there was a 10-8 round, I don't think you understand MMA scoring.

 

[Wonderfight]

Max - 1,2

Volk - 4, 5

All that is really questionable is round 3. Here is a breakdown:


If you're trying to insinuate there was a 10-8 round, I don't think you understand MMA scoring.

I understand MMA scoring but I don't think that 10-9 system is a good one, which was my main point and this fight is one of the examples why. You can get away with less action and damage all while your round counts as much as any other which is not complete domination. To me, 10-9 encapsulates everything from slightest win of round to being obviously better for the whole round. Only when it goes to the point of more or less total domination, it becomes 10-8. There are more lines than that, which is why I am not a fan of 10-9 system.

Video breakdown makes sense and I can clearly see how you can think that Volk won, and you would be right... But yeah, like I said, I don't like the system in place.

 

[RoyJonesJr]

Volk 3-4-5

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Max could have won the fight if he put the same pressure he put in rounds 1 & 2 in the 3rd round. But he took that round off and let Volk get momentum.

 

[Do better]

I think it was a close fight but not THAT close.

I think he was robbed for sure.



EDIT: for those saying if its close, it cannot be a robbery ... 100% disagree with that mentality.
You can have a close fight AND have a clear winner thus its a robbery in my books.
Shogun vs Machida 1 is a clear example of that. Close fight BUT Shogun got robbed.
That is why I said Blessed vs Volk 2 was a close fight BUT NOT that close.

ie ... competitive close fight with a clear winner and not so close that it's hard to tell who won.

If the wrong guy was given the decision, it stands to reason that the other combatant was robbed of what was earned. Therefore, Max was robbed!

 

[sampuncher]

It was a very close fight. Max definitely didn't do enough for it to be called a robbery though.

Sherbros, chill.

 

[Fahcough]

I'm glad Volk won

Me too. Only for the fact that these 2 make for a boring ass sparring session. Couldn't tell you anything that happened in the 10 rounds. Volk now needs to get KO'd and be 2 fights away from the belt.

 

[Mammothman]

Me too. Only for the fact that these 2 make for a boring ass sparring session. Couldn't tell you anything that happened in the 10 rounds. Volk now needs to get KO'd and be 2 fights away from the belt.

Was the 1st one any good? I fell asleep during the walkout and wake up in late round 5

 

[LetThemBleed]

If the wrong guy was given the decision, it stands to reason that the other combatant was robbed of what was earned. Therefore, Max was robbed!

Has the word robbed lost all meaning It's like the word hate, it's thrown so casually these days. Max wasn't remotely close to being robbed, it was a very close fight, the result of which turns on the score from the 3rd round, 2 of the 3 judges gave Volk the round, the striking stats suggest they were right to do so. Want to see a robbery go watch Pearson Sanchez.

 

[Masturbin]

Was the 1st one any good? I fell asleep during the walkout and wake up in late round 5

It's was forgetable I don't remember anything from it actualy.
Volk imposed his pace and will with lead leg kicks and Max could not get going.

 

[LetThemBleed]

Was the 1st one any good? I fell asleep during the walkout and wake up in late round 5

The first was one sided enough that Max shouldn't have got an instant rematch, it's a credit to Max that he did that much better in the second fight, but he really shouldn't have been in there in the first place. If the UFC was even remotely fair should Ortega beat Volk by anything other than a brutal ko or submission Volk should get an immediate rematch, of course he wouldn't though, fortunately he won't need one and these boards will go back to saying Ortega was overrated after Volk puts on a clinic.

 

[Do better]

Has the word robbed lost all meaning It's like the word hate, it's thrown so casually these days. Max wasn't remotely close to being robbed, it was a very close fight, the result of which turns on the score from the 3rd round, 2 of the 3 judges gave Volk the round, the striking stats suggest they were right to do so. Want to see a robbery go watch Pearson Sanchez.

It loses meaning when used incorrectly. You agreed that Max won, yet Alex got the decision. Was max not robbed of his victory?

 

[LetThemBleed]

It loses meaning when used incorrectly. You agreed that Max won, yet Alex got the decision. Was max not robbed of his victory? Or was he just slightly... uhmmmmm... robbed of his victory

Where did I agree that Max won, I said I believe Volk was rightfully given the last 3 rounds. If you look at the striking stats I think it shows that the judges overall got it right. As usual I think a lot of people were victims of commentary bias coupled with the fact that Max looked very good in the first 2 rounds. A robbery is like the example I provided where there's nigh on if not total consensus that the judges made a mistake/were biased, it's essentially an egregious mistake. I challenge anyone to watch that fight again and act like giving Volk the win was an egregious decision, I'd also recommend turning off the English commentary, Bisping in particular that night had an absolute shocker.

 

[Do better]

Where did I agree that Max won, I said I believe Volk was rightfully given the last 3 rounds. If you look at the striking stats I think it shows that the judges overall got it right. As usual I think a lot of people were victims of commentary bias coupled with the fact that Max looked very good in the first 2 rounds. A robbery is like the example I provided where there's nigh on if not total consensus that the judges made a mistake/were biased, it's essentially an egregious mistake. I challenge anyone to watch that fight again and act like giving Volk the win was an egregious decision, I'd also recommend turning off the English commentary, Bisping in particular that night had an absolute shocker.

I thought my response to this thread was to you, my bad.

verb (used with object), robbed, rob·bing.

to take something from (someone) by unlawful force or threat of violence; steal from. to deprive (someone) of some right or something legally due: They robbed her of her inheritance. to plunder or rifle (a house, shop, etc.).

Those who felt Max won by a small margin, are by definition, correct when calling it a robbery. Their judgement however, is debatable

 

[LetThemBleed]

I thought my response to this thread was to you, my bad.

verb (used with object), robbed, rob·bing.

to take something from (someone) by unlawful force or threat of violence; steal from. to deprive (someone) of some right or something legally due: They robbed her of her inheritance. to plunder or rifle (a house, shop, etc.).

Those who felt Max won by a small margin, are by definition, correct when calling it a robbery. Their judgement however, is debatable

Just makes me think the use of the word robbery is if possible even more incorrect in this instance, there's not even close to consensus that Max was robbed, it's subjective opinion, there's a world of difference between subjective opinion and an objective robbery.

 

[Fahcough]

Was the 1st one any good? I fell asleep during the walkout and wake up in late round 5

nope. if you watched 1 minute you saw all 60. toe tap leg kicks with some jabs . Mini Volk is a point fighter

 

[Do better]

Just makes me think the use of the word robbery is if possible even more incorrect in this instance, there's not even close to consensus that Max was robbed, it's subjective opinion, there's a world of difference between subjective opinion and an objective robbery.

I hear you. But if one believes that max won, then he was by definition robbed by being deprived of what should be his right to a just decision