Matt Brown.....a legend? Come on now....

[BForrester]

Nailed it.

Nailed it? In his own post you quoted he said, "a guy that made a decent name for himself." So "decent" equates to "legend"?

 

[Franklin U.]

Yeah yeah, most high kicks blablablah,
Never really been a top contender though , I've been following mma from the beginning and I can tell he's no where near being a legend in my book sorry

I agree with you .... and in pankrat s defense- he knows his stuff- he's just too easily impressed with numbers and fighters in general. Hes too respectful to a fault. Even a good version of Cerrone is like a solid gatekeeper. He beat who he was supposed to beat( even lost a few of those) and he lossed to he was supposed to lose to. Hes one of thee most active fighters and has been around so ,of course, he has alot of UFC wins.

 

[Franklin U.]

His fights are legendary fo sure

....and I'm sure that's the context ( I would hope) that they're throwing that word in reference to .....and still - a bad referenced word in that . Hes definitely had SOME memorable fights , no doubt- but.....

 

[HUGHPHUG]

....and I'm sure that's the context ( I would hope) that they're throwing that word in reference to .....and still - a bad referenced word in that . Hes definitely had SOME memorable fights , no doubt- but.....

I love the guy but I'm not gonna argue, his fights were too low key to be legendary I guess.
Still think his back and forth and eventual beat down of Erick Silva was the stuff of legend though
That fight was awesome

 

[Kansu]

Brown is not a legend. Just a guy that has been around forever, and had entertaining fights. Not everyone is a legend, legends are these guys that had aura, or represented and defined an era.

 

[Ramon Antonio]

He is a legend. Some of you guys make your own "elite" definitions for everything. A legend in a sport is just someone who has been at it for a long time and made a decent name for themselves.

The word you’re looking for is veteran!

 

[Bobbybackpack]

TS is casual
But I'll agree that this wasn't a veteran performance from Brown. He had to know that he is not as fast as when he was younger and definitely much slower than this kid... So he needed to get past the first and to push for more clinches and wresting... I don't know, it didn't look that he was prepared well. Just his old gameplan to get to the clinch and elbow his opponent, but a lot slower and lumbering and with worse chin.

He was never fast to begin with

 

[pankrat]

I agree with you .... and in pankrat s defense- he knows his stuff- he's just too easily impressed with numbers and fighters in general. Hes too respectful to a fault. Even a good version of Cerrone is like a solid gatekeeper. He beat who he was supposed to beat( even lost a few of those) and he lossed to he was supposed to lose to. Hes one of thee most active fighters and has been around so ,of course, he has alot of UFC wins.

Yeah I'm not an elitist.
But in this case I'm not even arguing Cerrone to be one of the best LWs ever.
I'm just saying that the fighter who holds the record for most wins and especially finishes in UFC history certainly has the right to have the word legend attached to his name - and he will when he retires, by fellow fighters, media and most fans. You can take it for granted.

Regardless, that front kick guy is a clear hater, to deny Cerrone was a top contender is nonsense. Cerrone was not champion material but he was a top contender and is not even debatable, he has literally fought for the belt and a win over him got u right in tittle contention so it's what it is

 

[Franklin U.]

Yeah I'm not an elitist.
But in this case I'm not even arguing Cerrone to be one of the best LWs ever.
I'm just saying that the fighter who holds the record for most wins and especially finishes in UFC history certainly has the right to have the word legend attached to his name - and he will when he retires, by fellow fighters, media and most fans. You can take it for granted.

Regardless, that front kick guy is a clear hater, to deny Cerrone was a top contender is nonsense. Cerrone was not champion material but he was a top contender and is not even debatable, he has literally fought for the belt and a win over him got u right in tittle contention so it's what it is

I'm tough on fighters, I admit but I try to assess things from my point of view. Again, it's just an opinion. It's a fight forum and I even respect your opinions .I've had to read ALOT of your posts to understand where you're coming from ( that's not a slight towards u). I absolutely do THINK I know what I'm talking about- that doesn't make me an "elitist ".You've used that word before so I know u were aiming that pistol at me. Flip side of coin( like I've said before), I know there are people who know better than me.

 

[pankrat]

I'm tough on fighters, I admit but I try to assess things from my point of view. Again, it's just an opinion. It's a fight forum and I even respect your opinions .I've had to read ALOT of your posts to understand where you're coming from ( that's not a slight towards u). I absolutely do THINK I know what I'm talking about- that doesn't make me an "elitist ".You've used that word before so I know u were aiming that pistol at me. Flip side of coin( like I've said before), I know there are people who know better than me.

I dont use the word "elitist" necesarilly in a bad sense, and particularly when aimed to you.
It's just another way of saying to be "tough on fighters"

Anyways whether if Cerrone is an "elite" fighter or a "legend" or he is not, I guess it can be debatable.

That he was a top contender is a fact.
Yeah everyone has an opinion but if you get awarded the Nobel prize you are a Nobel prize winner, if you earn a fight for the tittle you are a tittle contender. Period.

Cerrone fought for the tittle in UFC and WEC so it is what it is. If he eventually got relegated to a gatakeeper status is another story. Fighters dont remain as top contenders forever.
Actually, after they fight for the tittle and fail, many of them lose a step if only because the drive is not the same

 

[Gambit MMA]

That Erick Silva fight was bananas

Too bad brown didn’t get a TS during his streak

 

[kellier]

Diego won the Ultimate Fighter and was a legit contender for years.

The others are not legends.

Lauzon was at one time tied with Silva for most performance bonuses in UFC history. He's earned his stripes

 

[LilNicky95]

Lauzon was at one time tied with Silva for most performance bonuses in UFC history. He's earned his stripes

Sure and he should be respected....but to call J-Lau a legend is a joke. Ken-Flo schooled J-Lau badly.

 

[Franklin U.]

I dont use the word "elitist" necesarilly in a bad sense, and particularly when aimed to you.
It's just another way of saying to be "tough on fighters"

Anyways whether if Cerrone is an "elite" fighter or a "legend" or he is not, I guess it can be debatable.

That he was a top contender is a fact.
Yeah everyone has an opinion but if you get awarded the Nobel prize you are a Nobel prize winner, if you earn a fight for the tittle you are a tittle contender. Period.

Cerrone fought for the tittle in UFC and WEC so it is what it is. If he eventually got relegated to a gatakeeper status is another story. Fighters dont remain as top contenders forever.
Actually, after they fight for the tittle and fail, many of them lose a step if only because the drive is not the same

Again, we're going into numbers and rankings which are opinions that are subjective and in some UFC cases - politic based( and some are totally legit). This is why my opinion of what I'm watching becomes my output. I've seen Donald lose more relevant/ contender fights than hes won. His fight with Nate speaks volumes.That was a fight he was a decent favorite in and got boxed up for 3 rounds ....and that was 2 good versions of both.Im not going to put any credulous label on anyone that I just dont agree with... that's me.

There have been plenty of guys that got a crack at the title and turned out " not to be an elite fighter ". Just off the top of my head - do you consider Thales Leites or Dan Hardy elite ?. If u do - again, you're cheapening the word "elite ". I take that word seriously. UFC calibur and solid /good fighter can be assigned to many.

You are a fight fan who has a great respect for most top promotion fighters who have decent records. That's fine- that's u. You do u and I respect your opinion ( whether I agree or not) and I'll do me.
I remember the long back and forth we had awhile ago...... and I kept on asking myself- what does this guy want from me ? It's a fight forum- we agree or disagree. When its apparent that theres no give on either end( which happens with most people on here), it becomes futile.
It's all good.

 

[kellier]

Sure and he should be respected....but to call J-Lau a legend is a joke. Ken-Flo schooled J-Lau badly.

Why is it a joke? Lauzon is a legend in his own right based on his performances rather than his achievements. He put on crazy exciting fights, went for finishes and was involved in some classic wars.

Success isn't the only reason people become memorable. Would you rather watch a Lauzon highlight reel; or a fighter with a significantly higher win ratio like Jon Fitch.

 

[TRYHARD 2001]

Yeah yeah, most high kicks blablablah,
Never really been a top contender though , I've been following mma from the beginning and I can tell he's no where near being a legend in my book sorry

The fact that he has had no fewer than 3 title shots during his runs in WEC and the UFC leads me to disagree with you there. I can see how the fact that he won none of them (and got pretty badly clowned in 2 of them) can muddy the waters a bit, though.

 

[frontkick1]

The fact that he has had no fewer than 3 title shots during his runs in WEC and the UFC leads me to disagree with you there. I can see how the fact that he won none of them (and got pretty badly clowned in 2 of them) can muddy the waters a bit, though.

Chad mendes amongst many others also fought 3 times for a ufc belt and i still don't give him mma legend status

 

[USA!USA!]

he's a legend for people who have been watching for awhile. has a ton of fights. won everyone money against Erick Silva. he's definitely a legend if cowboy is a legend

Erick Silva is not done! Still young, wait and see!

 

[Iroh]

Nailed it? In his own post you quoted he said, "a guy that made a decent name for himself." So "decent" equates to "legend"?

Decent name is just based on the mainstream visibility. For hardcores, this dude should be a legend. The dude did not reach a legendary height of the sport, but he did have a legendary tenacity and is a true Just Bleed disciple and still did have great fights and wins in the premier league of MMA.

 

[TRYHARD 2001]

Chad mendes amongst many others also fought 3 times for a ufc belt and i still don't give him mma legend status

Nor do I, but you said he was never a top contender, which was untrue.