Masvidal Disputes Five-Second Knockout Time

[jeremyemilio]

I think you should just stop watching all together because this sounds like it's much for you too handle. Perhaps golf would work . You don't have to worry about scary violence there

I've been watching the scary violence of prize fighting for around 35 years now. Those fighters are still human beings.

I don't get pleasure out of seeing human beings get hurt. That's not why I watch.

It's part of the game, though, and I do accept that. I also accept that watching people get hurt actually is why a lot of people do watch.

I don't accept that fighters should look for opportunities to dish out punishment with undo damage. Do whatever you need to do to win. The other guy is gunning for you, too, so be ruthless. But once a man is out cold, you should not be looking to cause him as much damage as you possibly can before the ref can get there.

Make no mistake, that's what Jorge did. And while it's technically legal, it still makes him a bad person. Just like Hendo is a bad person for doing the same to Bisping (and at least two others). I was rooting for Hendo in that fight, but that shot changed my opinion of him for good.

This is a forum where most are far too busy worrying about more important things, like a woman refusing to shake her opponent's hand after a fight, or a woman deciding she'd rather not shave her head.

Who has time to worry about small details like a man risking causing brain damage or death to an unconscious opponent to get out some rage and make a point?

 

[HwoarangStyle]

id say exactly three seconds

 

[tjumper78]

should be 3.754 seconds.
4.754 seconds - 1 second for the awesomeness.

 

[neandertal]

He fucked it up for himself.

 

[Melas Chasma]

No one's breaking 5 seconds anyway. At best, it will be a tie.

Why? Someone could repeat what Masvidal did with a quicker stoppage by ref. Masvidal didn't even run straight to Ben so in theory it can be done even less than 2 sec.

 

[ReadWrite]

It's either a 2-second KO or a 5-second TKO. The ref "stopping the fight" when it's already stopped (KO) doesn't make it a TKO.

"Officially" it's listed as a KO. "Officially" it's listed at 5 seconds. Whoever gave the official time jumped the gun. The UFC still hasn't set the record straight.

There is no legitimate dispute Askren wasn't out cold instantly. There's no movement. He's a lifeless carcass on the canvas.

It shouldn't be too difficult for the UFC experts to watch video and correct their mistake.

 

[jimbob27]

It's either a 2-second KO or a 5-second TKO. The ref "stopping the fight" when it's already stopped (KO) doesn't make it a TKO.

"Officially" it's listed as a KO. "Officially" it's listed at 5 seconds. Whoever gave the official time jumped the gun. The UFC still hasn't set the record straight.

There is no legitimate dispute Askren wasn't out cold instantly. There's no movement. He's a lifeless carcass on the canvas.

It shouldn't be too difficult for the UFC experts to watch video and correct their mistake.

I agree. The critera for ending a fight by KO goes back all the way to UFC 1, before the referee even had the power to stop the fight. As far as I'm aware that rule never actually changed.

 

[Bmoredj]

If it was retroactively counted as 2 seconds his punches would be illegal

Came to say this, if he would've hit the flying knee and walked away he'd have more of a case but he was still throwing punches until the ref pulled him off so that's that.

 

[Lint]

Maybe if he went with the walk off KO instead of some extra GnP then they might have stopped it sooner?

What I really don't get it over this whole "he should have walked away" is:

The referee is supposed to protect the other fighter (in these cases), so people are arguing that the referee willingly delayed the bout's end because Askren was being post-KTFO'd raped?

Makes little sense to me... It's referee obligation to step in ASAP after deciding the other fighter's done for.

 

[kingghidrah]

, so people are arguing that the referee willingly delayed the bout's end because Askren was being post-KTFO'd raped?

No, not at all. It's pretty simple.

While Masvidal is smashing away at Ben's face, there are STILL ACTIVE PARTICIPANTS IN THE FIGHT, until the ref breaks it up and waves it off.

If Masvidal walks off, there are no active participants in the fight at that moment. The ref still runs over, but it's mostly irrelevant -- the fight is over.

The official timekeeper can look at those results differently. The fighters stopped engaging at maybe 3 seconds, with one of them unconscious? Fight is a 3-second fight.

One fighter down with the other still blasting away? Fight is still going at 4 seconds, ref finally manages to disengage the top fighter, fight's over around 5 seconds.

That's why you walk off.

 

[Dusty Rhodes]

I miss Goldie saying Duane BANG! Ludwig whenever he referred to the fastest KO in history



@Clippy

 

[Lint]

No, not at all. It's pretty simple.

While Masvidal is smashing away at Ben's face, there are STILL ACTIVE PARTICIPANTS IN THE FIGHT, until the ref breaks it up and waves it off.

If Masvidal walks off, there are no active participants in the fight at that moment. The ref still runs over, but it's mostly irrelevant -- the fight is over.

The official timekeeper can look at those results differently. The fighters stopped engaging at maybe 3 seconds, with one of them unconscious? Fight is a 3-second fight.

One fighter down with the other still blasting away? Fight is still going at 4 seconds, ref finally manages to disengage the top fighter, fight's over around 5 seconds.

That's why you walk off.

Let's agree to disagree on that one, king, when the referee touches one of the fighters the fight must end, there's no turning back: Clock is stopped and not allowed to continue, only exceptions being a point deduction or upstanding fight restart.

That's what made a lot of people pissed after Weidman suggested he couldn't continue, then the judge decided towards his Mousasi, and all of the sudden Weidman turned better.

Were it a 1 second difference, maybe even 2 seconds I'd be okay with it, but in that case there was more time spent on nothing/allegedly waiting the referee than on the fight itself, like people said: If that knee landed 3 seconds earlier Masvidal would have been DQ'ed.

Last, I guess people walk off because they're decent human beings (except Hendo), nobody will complain had you KOed your adversary at 3:35 or 3:38, would they?

 

[whitebelt4life]

At UFC 239, “Gamebred” took on Ben Askren. To start the fight, he ran across the cage and landed a perfectly placed flying knee that knocked his foe out cold. The official time of the knockout was five seconds, which is still the record. But, as Joe Rogan pointed on the broadcast, had the ref gotten in position faster, it could have very well been two or three seconds.

“It’s crazy, I’ve been watching this sport for the longest time,” Masvidal said of this record-breaking knockout on BJPENN.com Radio. “This is huge. It’s a real f**king achievement for me as a fanboy, being such a fan of this sport and loving this sh*t so damn much that I consume a lot of this sport in my brain. I know the type of athletes and studs there are, the type of murderers that are there in my sport.

“I’m the fastest one out of those guys? Wow, that’s pretty f**king intense man. I’m humbled,” he continued. “At first I came from a weird place because I did have to see it at first in my head, and that’s always how I do my things. I like to see myself go and do something. So it didn’t feel out of the norm at the moment that it happened, but when it hit me later on, it was the most humbling sh1t.”

Jorge Masvidal Believes KO Only Took Two or Three Seconds

Although Masvidal is happy to have this new UFC record, he believes that if the referee had intervened sooner — say, at two or three seconds — the record would never be broken. Of course, it’s unlikely Masvidal’s record is broken any time soon. The previous record, held by Duane Ludwig at six seconds, stood from 2006 to 2019.

“I mean if we counting when he got knocked out, it’s like one, two, or three — around there,” he explained. “We were watching the thing from when that knee makes contact, he’s already done--sniper shot--so if they were to call that at that three seconds, that’d be really tough to break.”

He was out before 4:56. Does anyone have 4:57?

What was the time at this frame? (Somebody cropped it out.)

View media item 31521The video seems to show 4:58 was the time of contact and/or when Askren's head hit the canvas it was still 4:58.

I don't like Askren and am glad he got exposed, but Masvidal's ego is starting to get annoying. He threw a hail mary and got lucky against an overrated bum who doesn't belong in the UFC.

 

[VanillaBryce]

What I really don't get it over this whole "he should have walked away" is:

The referee is supposed to protect the other fighter (in these cases), so people are arguing that the referee willingly delayed the bout's end because Askren was being post-KTFO'd raped?

Makes little sense to me... It's referee obligation to step in ASAP after deciding the other fighter's done for.

Not at all. People are arguing that the shots after the obvious KO were unnecessary because most people are decent human beings and probably don't want to inflict any damage that isn't needed. I understand that it is a fight but it is also a sport. Masvidal was still within his rights to keep beating away at Askren until the ref stopped it.

But the point I was trying to make regarding the walk off is more about the timing. If he landed the knee and then let the ref run in and wave the fight off he may have been able to stop the fight sooner. When Masvidal is complaining about 1 or 2 seconds the follow up shots might have been what cost him those seconds.

 

[Lint]

Not at all. People are arguing that the shots after the obvious KO were unnecessary because most people are decent human beings and probably don't want to inflict any damage that isn't needed. I understand that it is a fight but it is also a sport. Masvidal was still within his rights to keep beating away at Askren until the ref stopped it.

But the point I was trying to make regarding the walk off is more about the timing. If he landed the knee and then let the ref run in and wave the fight off he may have been able to stop the fight sooner. When Masvidal is complaining about 1 or 2 seconds the follow up shots might have been what cost him those seconds.

I know, I just don't see (much) his additional punching being the reason why, as soon as the referee steps in to interrupt a fight that fight's countdown should/must be immediately stopped, had Masvidal kneed Askren at 4:58 and the bell rang precisely two seconds later but before the referee takes 3 second to completely removes Masvidal, would it be fair to let the fight go into the next round?

I understand the punches were unnecessary, but it's easy for us to say that when watching on TV in the comfort of our homes (plus we get to see in third person), Masvidal on the other hand had to make sure, just recall Askren's previous fight, where he [arguably] went KOed for a moment and still won it.

I get your point, hope you got mine.

 

[ReadWrite]

A Masvidal-Inspired KO:

When The Staredown Lasts Longer Than the Fight:

https://mmajunkie.usatoday.com/2019...xc-82-rematch-ends-in-6-seconds-mario-aguilar

 

[theTKDguy]

If it was retroactively counted as 2 seconds his punches would be illegal

Super neccesary tho

 

[chinarice]

At UFC 239, “Gamebred” took on Ben Askren. To start the fight, he ran across the cage and landed a perfectly placed flying knee that knocked his foe out cold. The official time of the knockout was five seconds, which is still the record. But, as Joe Rogan pointed on the broadcast, had the ref gotten in position faster, it could have very well been two or three seconds.

“It’s crazy, I’ve been watching this sport for the longest time,” Masvidal said of this record-breaking knockout on BJPENN.com Radio. “This is huge. It’s a real f**king achievement for me as a fanboy, being such a fan of this sport and loving this sh*t so damn much that I consume a lot of this sport in my brain. I know the type of athletes and studs there are, the type of murderers that are there in my sport.

“I’m the fastest one out of those guys? Wow, that’s pretty f**king intense man. I’m humbled,” he continued. “At first I came from a weird place because I did have to see it at first in my head, and that’s always how I do my things. I like to see myself go and do something. So it didn’t feel out of the norm at the moment that it happened, but when it hit me later on, it was the most humbling sh1t.”

Jorge Masvidal Believes KO Only Took Two or Three Seconds

Although Masvidal is happy to have this new UFC record, he believes that if the referee had intervened sooner — say, at two or three seconds — the record would never be broken. Of course, it’s unlikely Masvidal’s record is broken any time soon. The previous record, held by Duane Ludwig at six seconds, stood from 2006 to 2019.

“I mean if we counting when he got knocked out, it’s like one, two, or three — around there,” he explained. “We were watching the thing from when that knee makes contact, he’s already done--sniper shot--so if they were to call that at that three seconds, that’d be really tough to break.”

He was out before 4:56. Does anyone have 4:57?

What was the time at this frame? (Somebody cropped it out.)

View media item 31521The video seems to show 4:58 was the time of contact and/or when Askren's head hit the canvas it was still 4:58.

Whoever it was, Bang/goulet or something..... Was quicker than Mas vs Askren.... I looked at the clock on both fights when the guys went out and it was 3 seconds vs 4 seconds or 2 vs 3. Masvidal's KO was actually one second after.

 

[Mammothman]

If Jorge wants to officially dispute the time of the KO, Ben should officially dispute the validity of the punches after the KO, and attempt to get the result turned to a NC or DQ.

One of the weakest and pussiest shit I have ever read here.

 

[OneManOrgy]

Mas comes out running
Askren: Hey I found a 20 dollar bill!
Mas: MOTHERFUCKING HEADBUSTER!
Askren dead