Massive renovations to the UFC APEX BUT.......

The UFC should go back to the Hard Rock more often. That place is popping for a smaller venue. You can really hear the crowd. The UFC could do something similar with the Apex with proper renovations, but I doubt they will.
 
The UFC were elite in the way they handled COVID, and they definitely discovered Apex is a great way to run a cheap event to meet ESPN obligations. I'm sure adding some gate to this would help the bottom line, would be expensive tickets I reckon.

I'm pretty sure tickets for an Apex event before the renovations were thousands if you weren't famous or got them comped because there were so few seats.
 
I'm pretty sure tickets for an Apex event before the renovations were thousands if you weren't famous or got them comped because there were so few seats.
Yup, I just checked Stubhub and tickets for the next 2 Apex events are $5,000. It's nuts. For context the next Paris card has cheap seats for just over $200.
 
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TS is spot on with them needing a full sized cage. That waz literally teh one thing I waz hoping to hear when I clicked on this thread, but heard teh opposite. 😵‍💫
 
TS is spot on with them needing a full sized cage. That waz literally teh one thing I waz hoping to hear when I clicked on this thread, but heard teh opposite. 😵‍💫
Why do you guys think a larger cage is better?
The smaller cage usually makes for more exciting fights.
 
Agreed. WEC had smaller cages. I think it's for the better.
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As a former competitor, why in the world would you train in one size cage and then fight in another?? Fuck the stupid apex
 
Why do you guys think a larger cage is better?
The smaller cage usually makes for more exciting fights.
The idea of MMA is to simulate a real fight without teh space & teh roolz interfering any more than is absolutely necessary. I'd argue that it makes it less exciting & less realistic, because teh cage is a necessary, but un-natural addition to a real fight, so the bigger the better.

The more space they have to work, the less the cage comes into the equation. The smaller the cage, the more that basic principle is compromised because the space itself then compliments teh grappler or power striker.

A larger cage allows teh strikerz more room to navigate... thus a smaller cage helps teh grapplers to wrestlefook as it gives strikers less room to maneuver. By contrast, it allows "POWER" strikerz... less room for their opponent to navigate whether wrestler or striker based. These are all nuancez that should not exist in teh epitome of the sport. It needs to be standardized if we're to compare apples to apples.

Ngannou KO'ed Stipe in teh smaller Apex cage after getting mauled by Stipe in teh bigger cage. Does anyone talk about that? or do Ngannou fanz & Stipe haterz just parrot that Stipe got knocked teh fook out. The variable isn't even mentioned nor remembered. I personally feel it's the only reason Ngannou waz able to catch Stipe.

So we have Stipe mauled Ngannou in teh UFC & Ngannou KO'ed stipe in teh UFC. Soundz like a simple comparison yeah?... but not so fast... one of those fights was in teh kiddie ring.

The variable is a ridiculous addition, that makes apples to apples comparisons now have more variablez.

Per that final point. How fooked is it to have 2 different cage sizez in teh epitome of teh sport? This is teh olympics of teh sport... & a standardized cage is not too much ask for. Everything changez with a diff. cage size... this is very unprofessional imo. It's as ridiculous as doing one match in a cage & another in a roped ring. Why not have them on a barge in teh ocean for some events ffs where you just fall off teh side if you near teh edge? Awe, my fighter just lost because he was wet when he fell out over the side of the barge.

It's because we need consistency. People's recordz don't reflect teh cage size. It's either a W or an L (draw or DQ), but nowhere on teh stats do they show how teh cage size effected things. If some piss ant org wants to use a smaller cage then that's on them, but this is a ridiculous variable in teh olympics of teh sport. It should be standardized.

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apex had cards in May.

I believe WWE NXT just signed something that they will be doing shows there so maybe they will upgrade the seating capacity which is really what UFC shows need.

If you just set it up for 1k fans or something, spruce up the feel and look of it then imo its fine for a smaller C tier show which is what it is. The problem is UFC promotes and fans place it on same level as PPV or on the road fight nights.

They arent. Its SF challengers, its NXT to Raw and Smackdown. Its the C tier show but UFC doesnt want to brand it that cause they are getting same money for broadcasting that as they do a live fight night on road. But in this new deal if they are gonna keep it then it should be rebranded and put out there as C show and I'd expect them to be paid less for it.

But we'll see what this new deal looks like, who is it with, how many shows, less Apex etc? Then frankly we deal with the problem that UFC doesnt have the roster to make all those Apex shows road worthy without pulling from other cards and its not like other cards are all so amazing they can afford to give up good fights.
 
apex had cards in May.

I believe WWE NXT just signed something that they will be doing shows there so maybe they will upgrade the seating capacity which is really what UFC shows need.

Yeah, I screwed that up big time. I'll add an edit on my first post.
 
The idea of MMA is to simulate a real fight without teh space & teh roolz interfering any more than is absolutely necessary. I'd argue that it makes it less exciting & less realistic, because teh cage is a necessary, but un-natural addition to a real fight, so the bigger the better.

The more space they have to work, the less the cage comes into the equation. The smaller the cage, the more that basic principle is compromised because the space itself then compliments teh grappler or power striker.

A larger cage allows teh strikerz more room to navigate... thus a smaller cage helps teh grapplers to wrestlefook as it gives strikers less room to maneuver. By contrast, it allows "POWER" strikerz... less room for their opponent to navigate whether wrestler or striker based. These are all nuancez that should not exist in teh epitome of the sport. It needs to be standardized if we're to compare apples to apples.
If the smaller cage is an advantage to both the striker and grappler, then it's fine is it not?

You're operating on a Joe Rogan theory that every fight simulated has to be on a wide open field.
 
If the smaller cage is an advantage to both the striker and grappler, then it's fine is it not?

You're operating on a Joe Rogan theory that every fight simulated has to be on a wide open field.
Touch of Death Power strikers have the advantage because they want those close quarters. There aren't that many of them.

Grapplers have the advantage. For everyone else it's a disadvantage.

The main problem is that we need a standard. Winning a fight in one sized cage is different than winning in another size. It's crazy for the epitome of the sport to have different perameters for different fights. I can understand it back in the day, when they had to do whatever it took, but it's big cage all the way now.
 
Touch of Death Power strikers have the advantage because they want those close quarters. There aren't that many of them.

Grapplers have the advantage. For everyone else it's a disadvantage.

The main problem is that we need a standard. Winning a fight in one sized cage is different than winning in another size. It's crazy for the epitome of the sport to have different perameters for different fights. I can understand it back in the day, when they had to do whatever it took, but it's big cage all the way now.
Exactly, imagine the NFL having 2 different sized fields or NBA having 2 different sized courts. Embarrassing.
 
Imagine spending your career fighting 15 minute fights and suddenly they add 2/3 more time to win the championship.
It would be similar to getting all the best 400m runners to compete at 1000m or making the Superbowl field 160 yards long.

Lots of things about MMA are dumb.
 
That is a shame. It seems like if the UFC fights were such a crowd pleasing draw, the bar would just go ahead and purchase the fights like lots of other places do. I wonder if the UFC fighters and teams still show up, or if they mostly just went to watch the PPV's too?
Yea. For most bars buying the PPVs is a bad business move. But for this particular one, it feels like ego kept them from paying for it. Given what you described, paying the money to show the PPVs would have been worth it for them.
 
<Y2JSmirk> hey... if we just rip the entire soul and heart out of the thing we love then we can make money.

Fuck everything that we ever cared about.

Because money.

25 years.

25 years is the longest something is allowed to exist before it gets completely swallowed by shareholders who never under stood why it was popular in the first place.


No genre of music stays good for 25+ years.
Rock? got popular in the 60's, peaked in mid 70's, dead before the 90's
Rap? Got popular in the 80's peaked in the late 90's dead before 2010
Video games? NES Comes out in 85, Hits all time popularity by Ps2, goes to shit before ps3 is over.
sports? NBA became more popular in the 80's, jordan ruled the 90's, unwatchable refball trash by 2010


A Hard part of growing up is finding out that nothing is sacred. Everything will eventually get milked til the cow tips and is left to rot in the sun.

It's MMA's turn
 
25 years.

25 years is the longest something is allowed to exist before it gets completely swallowed by shareholders who never under stood why it was popular in the first place.


No genre of music stays good for 25+ years.
Rock? got popular in the 60's, peaked in mid 70's, dead before the 90's
Rap? Got popular in the 80's peaked in the late 90's dead before 2010
Video games? NES Comes out in 85, Hits all time popularity by Ps2, goes to shit before ps3 is over.
sports? NBA became more popular in the 80's, jordan ruled the 90's, unwatchable refball trash by 2010


A Hard part of growing up is finding out that nothing is sacred. Everything will eventually get milked til the cow tips and is left to rot in the sun.

It's MMA's turn

Makes sense and I would imagine there is certain pattern to the cycle.

Early adapters- predominantly in it for the love of the thing, were doing it even when there was no real money in it. They build the foundation


First wave- drawn in by somwthing they see from the early adapters, still likely pretty pure of intent. They probably contribute a lot and some will benefit financially.


Peak- this is where the hard work from the early folks pays off, and some others probably reap significant rewards even though they take less risk than predecessors

Ride the post peak wave - might even continue to "fail up" at this point but the drive is more from prior momentum rather than new acceleration

Cash out whore phase. <-- we are here.
 
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