Als Prediger ruft ein Imam in Bremen zu Gewalt auf und verbreitet Antisemitismus. Eine Behörde ordnet bereits 2021 seine Ausweisung an. Dagegen wehrt sich der Salafist vor Gericht - letztendlich erfolglos.
www.n-tv.de
N-TV is a pretty serious source, my dude... He had to leave Germany.
It is not the only example. I know firsthand that in the main mosque of my city, the imam preached that all mosques in Hungary, which had been converted into churches, must be restored as mosques, no matter the cost or the force required. Fun fact: the Ottomans never built a mosque in Hungary; they only converted churches, which the Hungarians later changed back after the Ottomans were expelled. Nobody questioned his opinion. So, so much about "99%" mosques would throw him out... yeah, for sure.. NOT!
Now imagine a priest in a major church in a large town preaching that Hagia Sophia must be converted back to a Christian church, no matter the cost. I bet not only would people react immediately, but the matter would likely be reported to the authorities.
If I wanted, I could also cite older examples. Ten years ago, Germany and Austria were already facing similar issues, with some imams preaching the destruction of Israel and Zionists, or advocating violence against the enemies of Islam. Moreover, the net, as well as youtube and so on, are full of sheikhs, with millions of followers, who openly preach that the whole world must become islamic, no matter the cost, and if they dont want then they have to force them. We are speaking about literally tens of millions of followers on different social medias. You dont have anything like that in any other religion, not even close.
N-TV has a mild right-leaning bias, but it’s still usable.
Look I’m speaking from long, direct experience. I’ve attended mosques in different countries for decades, and I’ve never heard the kind of sermons you’re describing. Especially in Europe, what’s preached is about behaving properly, respecting the law, and living peacefully with others. That’s what I’ve consistently heard, year after year.
Yes, extremists exist, as they do in every large religion, but they are a minority. Taking a handful of extreme examples found online and aggregating them in a youtube playlist or your Chrome bookmarks and treating them as the norm gives a misleading picture. I stand by want I've said and experienced: in most mosques, an imam preaching that sort of thing would be removed, not tolerated.
You’re essentially asking me to doubt what I’ve personally seen and heard for decades in favor of what you’ve read or watched online. I’m not willing to do that. I won't disbelieve what my eyes saw and my ears heard in favor for decades in favor of some online articles about a couple extremists.
Listen, I’ve tried to engage with you seriously and in good faith many times. But you seem to have a burning personal hostility for me since I have stood up against the obliteration of Gaza. You follow me into unrelated threads, repeatedly assign motives to me, and plain stalk me.
Some of your takes also don't strengthen your claim, for example, claiming that unrelated discussions like the Congo thread are “about Muslims” when both factions at play (RDC army and M23 militia) are majority christian doesn’t hold up and just derails the conversation.
You’re free to hate on Islam or Muslims as you want in discussions where that is actually the subject. There are many on this forum. Please spare me the "I have muslim friends" answer, we're both beyond that at this point.
All I’m asking is that thread topics be respected and that the discussion stay focused. If that line is respected, starting with this thread, I've got no issues with you.
