Masdival is slightly underrated right now

[DS66]

Hard comment to justify. Bisping was the champ and defended his title. This stretch from Bisping was as good as any stretch from Jorge:
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Its a decent stretch obviously (although the wins vs Silva and Hendo were both arguable). But what makes it extra special is that he did it literally with one eye. Couldn't see a thing out of his right eye.

Bisping had multiple other really good stretches in his career as well. He was close to both a MW title shot and LHW title shot years before he got the belt. He had a phenomenal career and I don't know why so many people have issues giving him the credit he deserves. 20-9 in the UFC, fighting at the highest levels for a decade. And of course won the belt. Jorge on the other hand is 12-9. Maybe on paper his skills were equal to Bisping but his career is nowhere near as accomplished.

 

[Substance Abuse]

I'm not the biggest fan of masvidal, but its hard to deny his striking prowess

Wins over till, ellenberger, diaz, james krause, pat healy, chiesa, prime tim means, not-as shot cowboy, ross pearson

He's slowed down, but the guy has had a formidable career

Stop making sense.

 

[Substance Abuse]

This is what I posted after their fight and I think it's a realistic assessment of Jorge and the Colby situation post fight:

Jorge has always been a good fighter, not an elite one. Knocking out Till, finishing Diaz and setting the fastest knockout record with a flying knee in succession is compelling stuff and garners attention, like it did for Jorge.

He's now past his prime at 37 and seems to be on the obvious down swing, but I think the Diaz and McGregor fights make sense for him and for the UFC monetarily. Hopefully he cashes a few more checks and can retire comfortably like most fighters who have been around for two decades should.

It's always easy to hate on fighters after a loss. People would do the same thing if Colby lost last night. Just respect the fighters more. It isn't that hard. I can't stand Colby and his antics but the guy is obviously a good fighter. Giving credit to Masvidal also builds up Colby, if you're a fan of his. Why discredit his win?

 

[Koro_11]

Its a decent stretch obviously (although the wins vs Silva and Hendo were both arguable). But what makes it extra special is that he did it literally with one eye. Couldn't see a thing out of his right eye.

Bisping had multiple other really good stretches in his career as well. He was close to both a MW title shot and LHW title shot years before he got the belt. He had a phenomenal career and I don't know why so many people have issues giving him the credit he deserves. 20-9 in the UFC, fighting at the highest levels for a decade. And of course won the belt. Jorge on the other hand is 12-9. Maybe on paper his skills were equal to Bisping but his career is nowhere near as accomplished.

Can't only look at numbers, Bisping fought a lot of cans during his UFC stretch, whereas just about everyone Masvidal fought in the UFC was a ranked fighter or even an elite fighter.

If you take away Anderson and Hendo from Ping's resume (considering they were both in their 40's by the time he fought them, and he needed a hometown decision in both cases", his only notable win is Rockhold, a fight that widely regarded as one of the biggest fluke upsets in MMA history, like right up there with Serra/GSP. When you take all that into consideration Bisping's next best win is either Chris Leben or Thales Leites.

 

[HHJ]

So why do people call him journeyman?

Assholes who suck colby's corny ass?

 

[HHJ]

Can't only look at numbers, Bisping fought a lot of cans during his UFC stretch, whereas just about everyone Masvidal fought in the UFC was a ranked fighter or even an elite fighter.

If you take away Anderson and Hendo from Ping's resume (considering they were both in their 40's by the time he fought them, and he needed a hometown decision in both cases", his only notable win is Rockhold, a fight that widely regarded as one of the biggest fluke upsets in MMA history, like right up there with Serra/GSP. When you take all that into consideration Bisping's next best win is either Chris Leben or Thales Leites.

Bisping actually had said how he was gonna beat Rockhold beforehand and it worked. If he prepared for that exact scenario,pulled it off perfectly,and exploited Luke's weakness,you have to give it to him.

 

[Iroh]

Fighters are always overated and underated simultaneously, it just depends on who you are talking to.

 

[daniel san]

He just had two fights with Usman and one with Colby who will wrestlefuck anyone at WW and make them look bad.

Don't get me wrong, he's a journeyman, and I don't think he can earn a title shot or win, but he could still beat Nate, Conor, Till, Petties type strikers asses still, just keep him away from wrestlers.

You’re saying he can beat unranked fighters? I would have to agree, and so does everyone else. Mas has at best been a lower top 10 fighter meaning he should beat most unranked fighters and lose to elite ones, which he always has.

 

[Koro_11]

Bisping actually had said how he was gonna beat Rockhold beforehand and it worked. If he prepared for that exact scenario,pulled it off perfectly,and exploited Luke's weakness,you have to give it to him.

Well of course you gotta "give it to him", you gotta give it to Serra too, and anyone that throws a strike and lands it.

That said Rockhold had already wiped his ass with him in their first fight and clearly took him way too lighty in the rematch (and overestimated his own fragile chin). If they fought 10 times I would seriously doubt Bisping wins another.

 

[r-harper-1]

Masvidal vs Luque ….let’s see what Masvidal has left in a standup fight

 

[mkt]

I agree he's still a very good fighter but is on a slow decline. Prime Jorge was 3 years ago when he beat Askren, Till, and Nate.

The version we've seen in the last two fights, where he got viciously KOed by Usman and even Colby pieced him up at times, has lost a step or two.

Yep. Mas is 37 and has had 51 fights in his career. And for the last 10 years, all of his fights have been in Strikeforce or the UFC, mostly against solid competition. He's fought multiple WW and LW champs (both former and Usman at WW and Gilbert Meledez at LW in Strikeforce). It's not a resume like Mousasi's, where the first half of his career is against no-names and it's littered with way past-their-prime guys, WWs, journeymen, etc.

 

[HHJ]

Well of course you gotta "give it to him", you gotta give it to Serra too, and anyone that throws a strike and lands it.

That said Rockhold had already wiped his ass with him in their first fight and clearly took him way too lighty in the rematch (and overestimated his own fragile chin). If they fought 10 times I would seriously doubt Bisping wins another.

The Count flattens Rockhold again. He was never the same after that beating.

 

[mkt]

Masdival vs. Justin "The Duke" G. at a catchweight if Justin beats Charles and Islam

What a banger that would be.

If Gaethje became champ, why would he fight a non-Top 5 WW who'd be pushing 39 by the time they fought? I did want to see Masvidal vs. both Gaethje and Ferguson a few years ago. At this point, almost anyone beats the ghost of the corpse of Tony, sadly.

 

[HHJ]

Masvidal vs Luque ….let’s see what Masvidal has left in a standup fight

I mean he needs to cut weight better. Seeing him look like he was gonna pass out at the face offs.... How can you have confidence for a guy who's that drained?

 

[mkt]

The Count flattens Rockhold again. He was never the same after that beating.

Rockhold was never the same, but Bisping struggled mightily with a 46-year old Hendo then lost to a WW on a 4-year layoff. I'd favor Rockhold if they had a rubber match, though it's possible he could get KO'd again. His chin declined quickly.

 

[HHJ]

If Gaethje became champ, why would he fight a non-Top 5 WW who'd be pushing 39 by the time they fought? I did want to see Masvidal vs. both Gaethje and Ferguson a few years ago. At this point, almost anyone beats the ghost of the corpse of Tony, sadly.

Masvidal can barely make ww now it seems.

 

[mkt]

I think the term journeyman gets thrown around a lot when it has a totally fluid definition depending on who uses it.

To me I think calling Masvidal a journeyman is sort of accurate because of the literal journey he went on having fought for Bodog, Sengoku, Bellator, Strikeforce, Shark Fights etc before the UFC. I don't conflate that with him being an inferior fighter though. His UFC run is not that of a journeyman.

If you're only using the UFC run as a data set I would say guys like John Makdessi, Charles Rosa, Nik Lentz, Alex Caceres, Ed Herman etc are what I would call journeymen.

Exactly. Cerrone has a very similar record and I don't hear anyone call him a journeyman. You could call Cerrone a gatekeeper at points in his career. Pettis and Nate both beat him right before getting title shots. But he and Masvidal were too good in the primes to be called journeymen.

 

[HHJ]

Exactly. Cerrone has a very similar record and I don't hear anyone call him a journeyman. You could call Cerrone a gatekeeper at points in his career. Pettis and Nate both beat him right before getting title shots. But he and Masvidal were too good in the primes to be called journeymen.

Its just a bunch of idiot colby fans who suck on any stupid catchphrases he throws out.

 

[Koro_11]

The Count flattens Rockhold again. He was never the same after that beating.

Nah, he’s been flattened by sledgehammers like Yoel and Blachowicz, but he never gets flattened by Bisping again. Seriously who else has Bisping ever flattened before or since. That was a once in a lifetime event.

 

[HHJ]

Nah, he’s been flattened by sledgehammers like Yoel and Blachowicz, but he never gets flattened by Bisping again. Seriously who else has Bisping ever flattened before or since. That was a once in a lifetime event.

Bisping buried him and that was it for him. Ruined him.