Crime Mark Zuckerberg admits censorship and vows to curb election donations Zuckerberg: Biden-Harris ‘Repeatedly Pressured’ Us To Censor Free Speech

[Islam Imamate]

You think it’s appropriate for the government to try and stifle free speech? Seriously?

You are literally making my point that Trump has fricken broken some of y’all’s brains, and you’re advocating in favor of some reprehensible shit.

That's not what I said though, what I said is that the government making requests in and of itself is not necessarily inappropriate. As I've said since I could be convinced if I was shown communications and a pattern of behavior from the government that suggested that a reasonable person would assume there was an implicit threat but I am not going to take Zuck's word for it.

Yeah, I too am confused about why mods are trolling… yet here we are.

I'm not trolling though, just because I disagree with you doesn't mean I'm trolling

See, these are the types of shit arguments you’ve been making lately, and they are increasingly illogical (eg that the government is PHYSICALLY threatening Zuckerberg FFS).

You’re usually better than this… SAD.

I also mentioned legal actions and made the broad reference to a pattern of behavior that would suggest and implied threat of some kind, clearly I'm not just or even primarily referring to threats of violence. But I don't expect you to read my posts in good faith

Meh, I’ve often disagreed with @Islam Imamate , but he’s generally offered logical reason-based arguments in our discussions in the past. He’s certainly taken a turn and comes off more and more as a establishment shill offering generic talking points and covering for dem shenanigans, even ACTUAL threats to democracy.

The consistent thing I see from the populists like you is that you act incredulous about the idea that Trump represents a threat to democracy without ever caring to address the facts of the matter. If right now I pulled up Trump's speech where he openly asks Pence to overturn the election for him you guys to a man play dumb or deflect.

 

[Fight Professor]

Censorship has always been the price for any sort of socialist equality (financial, racial, etc). Fair elections, gun ownership or general ability to protect yourself are going to be history. Such regime is not possible without division and constant fear of groups that have more power/privilege than yourself.

Yet, everyone is afraid of the orange man who has already been the president, and the country was pretty well off on many levels. That's the benefit of having someone controversial in the office. It is very difficult to start wars or create pro-government policies when everyone is on a different page.

 

[White Whale]

You think it’s appropriate for the government to try and stifle free speech? Seriously?

You are literally making my point that Trump has fricken broken some of y’all’s brains, and you’re advocating in favor of some reprehensible shit.

Trump and RFK Jr say free speech is a top priority now anti-Trumpers believe freedom of speech is bad.

 

[fedoriswar37]

100% agree.... I call it the "Left Cult". The believe the MSM is telling them the truth despite all evidence contrary.

This is Gallup data.

The Blue line is the "Left Cult"... how damn stupid and mindless do you have to be to believe the mass media anymore?

The Lefty Circle Jerk has avoided this topic for sure. Is it embarrassment or fear?

It's not even just their blind faith in the media. Most media is biased. It's their inability to have any opinion or original thought outside of their groups.

 

[PhitePhan]

The consistent thing I see from the populists like you is that you act incredulous about the idea that Trump represents a threat to democracy without ever caring to address the facts of the matter. If right now I pulled up Trump's speech where he openly asks Pence to overturn the election for him you guys to a man play dumb or deflect.

So the best you’ve got is to tacitly (and explicitly) support unconstitutional acts by Dems due to Trump… again, you’re making my point.

The problem “populists” like me have, is that Dems have been demonizing and exaggerating Trump’s “threat to democracy” from before the beginning… first it’s the basket of deplorables, then he’s a white supremecist, then he’s colluding with Russia, then he led an attack in the capitol, etc, etc… Trump used a BS legal-based strategy and bully tactics to try and get his way in 2020- THAT I can agree with and condemn. The problem, is you try or parlay that into “he’s literally Hitler” and go on to use this vitriol and rhetoric to justify reprehensible behavior from the Dems (eg rigging 2016 DNC, removing medical informed consent, propping up a demented elderly president, installing Kamala, etc).

 

[fedoriswar37]

Censorship has always been the price for any sort of socialist equality (financial, racial, etc). Fair elections, gun ownership or general ability to protect yourself are going to be history. Such regime is not possible without division and constant fear of groups that have more power/privilege than yourself.

Yet, everyone is afraid of the orange man who has already been the president, and the country was pretty well off on many levels. That's the benefit of having someone controversial in the office. It is very difficult to start wars or create pro-government policies when everyone is on a different page.

Mostly different page. They will all simp for Israel.

 

[Islam Imamate]

So the best you’ve got is to tacitly (and explicitly) support unconstitutional acts by Dems due to Trump… again, you’re making my point.

I'm not though, all I'm saying is that the government asking in and of itself is not censorship if its not paired with threats, implied or otherwise, or a pattern of behavior which itself implies a threat in case the request is not agreed to. I'm not just going to take Zuck's word here and even if I did nothing in his statement implies Facebook was threatened, just that he felt the asks were in and of themselves inappropriate.

The problem “populists” like me have, is that Dems have been demonizing and exaggerating Trump’s “threat to democracy” from before the beginning… first it’s the basket of deplorables, then he’s a white supremecist, then he’s colluding with Russia, then he led an attack in the capitol, etc, etc… Trump used a BS legal-based strategy and bully tactics to try and get his way in 2020- THAT I can agree with and condemn. The problem, is you try or parlay that into “he’s literally Hitler” and go on to use this vitriol and rhetoric to justify reprehensible behavior from the Dems (eg rigging 2016 DNC, removing medical informed consent, propping up a demented elderly president, installing Kamala, etc).

Yes and to do so to attempt to overturn a free and fair election is a coup, how is that not obvious to you?

 

[PhitePhan]

Yes and to do so to attempt to overturn a free and fair election is a coup, how is that not obvious to you?

Why do you keep repeating “a free and fair election”? Interestingly, many would argue that 2020 WASNT “free and fair” due to government pressure stifling the “free and fair” flow of information…

Either way, using a Hail Mary legal challenge is hardly a coup, and I’d assume you agree that “merely asking” people to behave in a certain way isn’t illegal… right?

Regardless, you’d probably get more traction if y’all focused on that (legal shenanigans) rather than the J6 event.

 

[ImCertainOfCirkunov]

Well hold on - he's not necessarily wrong, these are just different polls, right?

538 weights theirs, RCP does not (just a raw average), iirc.

If you want to argue 538 is more historically accurate, that's cool, but it's the method, not necessarily the result, that I was complimenting.

But you deserve a bravo too, nbd lol.

Also interesting to note, the 538 model isn't the same one used in previous years. When Nate Silver left, he took the IP with him.

Why I don't buy 538's new election model

It barely pays attention to the polls. And its results just don't make a lot of sense.

www.natesilver.net

 

[Islam Imamate]

Why do you keep repeating “a free and fair election”? Interestingly, many would argue that 2020 WASNT “free and fair” due to government pressure stifling the “free and fair” flow of information…

Because I believe all the available evidence suggests that it was indeed a free and fair election and numerous officials within Trumps own admin and campaign told him as much. From senior White House lawyers, to senior campaign staff, to his own Vice President. No reasonable and honest person in Trump's shoes would've believed the election was stolen, hence him telling Pence "you're too honest"

Either way, using a Hail Mary legal challenge is hardly a coup, and I’d assume you agree that “merely asking” people to behave in a certain way isn’t illegal… right?

Regardless, you’d probably get more traction if y’all focused on that (legal shenanigans) rather than the J6 event.

Asking your Vice President to prevent the peaceful transfer of power and overturn a free and fair election is an attempted coup. Jan 6th is the culmination of his attempted coup, Trump was using the protesters turned rioters to pressure Pence to give into his demands. To any reasonable person that is a uniquely disqualifying actions but to populists its totally based because institutions bad, Trump good.

 

[Deleted member 592570]

Meh, I’ve often disagreed with @Islam Imamate , but he’s generally offered logical reason-based arguments in our discussions in the past. He’s certainly taken a turn and comes off more and more as a establishment shill offering generic talking points and covering for dem shenanigans, even ACTUAL threats to democracy.

They all have. I don't know if this happens every election cycle on here or just that they know what's coming but they're definitely doubling down on the dishonesty across the board.

 

[Deleted member 592570]

I don't agree, I don't think that the government merely asking is in and of itself inappropriate. Again I could be convinced if I was shown the communications in question and especially if there was a pattern of behavior that a reasonable person would infer suggests an implied threat. But I don't think we get enough info from Zuck's post to assume that nor would I assume Zuck is a neutral observer here, he could very well be advancing his own interests here.

In your experience, when the US federal government 'asks' you to do something, and you say 'No' is that usually the end of it?

 

[Deleted member 592570]

The TRT and BJJ went to his head and now Zuck is full MAGA, is normal.

Pretty much actually. Guys who go to the gym tend to be more right wing.

 

[skysolo]

The Social Network tricked people into thinking Zuckerberg was some rebel but he's a tool of the establishment who will do what he is told just like everyone else.

 

[BROWNPRIDE]

Mark Zuckerberg admits censorship and vows to curb election donations

Meta CEO Mark Zuckerberg made weighty promises to Congress on Monday ahead of the 2024 election, saying he planned to fight any pressure from the White

www.washingtonexaminer.com

Mark Zuckerberg admits censorship and vows to curb election donations

Meta CEO Mark Zuckerberg made weighty promises to Congress on Monday ahead of the 2024 election, saying he planned to fight any pressure from the White House to censor content on his social media platform and that he would not donate his controversial “Zuckerbucks” in this year’s election.

https://www.dailywire.com/news/zuckerberg-biden-harris-repeatedly-pressured-us-to-censor-free-speech

Meta CEO Mark Zuckerberg said in a letter on Monday that the Biden-Harris administration repeatedly pressured his company — which includes Facebook, Instagram, Messenger, WhatsApp, and more — to censor content that is protected free speech.

Zuckerberg made the admission in a letter to House Judiciary Committee Chairman Jim Jordan (R-OH) this week in which he said that his goal moving forward was to “be neutral and not play a role one way or another” for either any political party or ideology. He said he doesn’t even want the appearance of playing a role and will not be making political contributions.

“In 2021, senior officials from the Biden Administration, including the White House, repeatedly pressured our teams for months to censor certain COVID-19 content, including humor and satire, and expressed a lot of frustration with our teams when we didn’t agree,” he said in the letter. “Ultimately, it was our decision whether or not to take content down, and we own our decisions, including COVID-19-related changes we made to our enforcement in the wake of this pressure.”

I believe the government pressure was wrong, and I regret that we were not more outspoken about it,” he continued. “I also think we made some choices that. with the benefit of hindsight and new information, we wouldn’t make today. Like I said to our teams at the time, I feel strongly that we should not compromise our content standards due to pressure from any Administration in either direction — and we’re ready to push back if something like this happens again.”

Biden-Harris told Mark Zuckerberg to censorship American citizens on Facebook, Instagram and WhatsApp.

Not surprising they wanted to censor anyone that opposed what they were doing and had true information such the laptop story.

It’s nothing new. Both sides do it! Why don’t you post some of orange crappy pants trump doing it

 

[sanguinius]

That's not what I said though, what I said is that the government making requests in and of itself is not necessarily inappropriate. As I've said since I could be convinced if I was shown communications and a pattern of behavior from the government that suggested that a reasonable person would assume there was an implicit threat but I am not going to take Zuck's word for it.

I'm not trolling though, just because I disagree with you doesn't mean I'm trolling

I also mentioned legal actions and made the broad reference to a pattern of behavior that would suggest and implied threat of some kind, clearly I'm not just or even primarily referring to threats of violence. But I don't expect you to read my posts in good faith

The consistent thing I see from the populists like you is that you act incredulous about the idea that Trump represents a threat to democracy without ever caring to address the facts of the matter. If right now I pulled up Trump's speech where he openly asks Pence to overturn the election for him you guys to a man play dumb or deflect.

“Whenever I show you guys information that you’ve already seen, you don’t agree with my ridiculous nonsense about it, and that’s your fault”

It’s telling that people assume that you’re trolling. I know that you are just weird, but it comes across like you are doing it on purpose.

Unique threat to our democracy. Jan 6. Coup. Unique. Threat. To. Democracy.

 

[Darkballs]

So the best you’ve got is to tacitly (and explicitly) support unconstitutional acts by Dems due to Trump… again, you’re making my point.

There is nothing unconstitutional about the Fed asking any media to not run a story, or edit a story for whatever reason. For fucks sake, there was an Oscar nominated movie staring Meryl Streep covering the real life story about the Pentagon papers.

The problem is that people like you who's entire knowledge base is made up of youtube videos, have zero understanding of the Constitution. Therefore, it's really easy to fool you into thinking requests made to facebook about covid conspiracies and Hunter Biden's cock, are somehow violations of the 1st Amendment. They aren't.

 

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[CantCucktheTuck]

Watch and learn

 

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