Marilyn Manson the current #metoo

[Ichibanner]

Is it just me or does it look like he has herpes?

 

[ssBaldy]

I mean he may have had a few hits in the early 2000s, but his biggest hits we’re definitely in the 90s. I would say by 2005 he was mostly out of the spotlight whereas NIN has always maintained a steady fanbase. He may have been more popular in the mainstream at the height of his popularity in the 90s, but I’m not sure if that’s even true as NIN was massively popular after Downward Spiral. I was to young for that era to know though.

Both Holy Wood and Golden Age of Grotesque were very successful, he took a dive in popularity after that but it was mid-2000s already.

 

[Peteyandjia]

Interesting to see what kind of effect it has on his popularity as I could kind of see it going both ways.

He is someone who's lifestyle image and his art are very hard to separate, moreso than say Micheal Jackson, could be that if that lifestyle is called into question people find the music harder to consume or could be that because he doesnt really have an espeically clean image to sully he's less to loose.

I think it will effect his ability to get actual jobs, at least right now. He’s already been dropped by his record label, & cut from a few upcoming TV & film projects.

I don’t think it will affect his popularity much, though. If anything, his reputation seemed to actually help here. The most common reaction I see from people is they’re like ‘Wait, doesn’t he drink their blood on the first date anyway? Isn’t that kinda part of the deal when you date Marilyn Manson?’

No one is shocked, it’s like the opposite of the Cosby Effect. Cosby was America’s dad, so it was shocking; Marilyn Manson was already America’s antichrist, so not much reaction.

 

[fingercuffs]

Both Holy Wood and Golden Age of Grotesque were very successful, he took a dive in popularity after that but it was mid-2000s already.

I didn't DESPISE Grotesque but he lost his edge for sure. The 3 albums before were brilliant.

 

[fingercuffs]

I just managed to listen to Coma White without having a meltdown.

 

[ocean size]

plus he was a reverend or whatever in the CHURCH OF SATAN!!!

Marlyn Manson is the guy who removed his rib s*ck his d*ck.

I don't understand how anyone could believe this since when you hear it first in middle school. Is anyone's ability here to bend over constrained by their ribs? Has anyones ribs every gone 'clunk' on your pelvis? It makes zero sense.

 

[Blayt7hh]

I don't understand how anyone could believe this since when you hear it first in middle school. Is anyone's ability here to bend over constrained by their ribs? Has anyones ribs every gone 'clunk' on your pelvis? It makes zero sense.

Lmao, liked for the “clunk” image

It is funny how that urban legend spread all over the country.

 

[ocean size]

Lmao, liked for the “clunk” image

It is funny how that urban legend spread all over the country.

No joke though, why that particular urban legend hit every corner of the country.. to a lesser degree Britney Spears getting her stomach pumped which made equally no medical sense.

 

[Blayt7hh]

Manson was mainstream while NIN has only been known in rock circles.

That’s not true, NIN definitely had their time in the main stream. Just about everyone heard Closer back in the day. I just searched it and Downward Spiral debuted at number 2 on the billboard, so they were definitely not some niche band

the way I see it is MM is one of those acts that comes along and becomes massively popular with Teens and middle school kids, and is popular for about the amount of time it takes for that generation to grow out of it. I imagine now that when people listen to him it’s mostly out of nostalgia or ironically. I don’t think I’ve even heard a MM song on the radio except for the Tainted Love cover in like the last ten years.

Like I said before, NIN maybe never got as popular as Manson was from like 98-2003 I guess, but they have a steady fanbase and people don’t really outgrow them. I do still hear NIN songs across their entire discography from time to time on rock stations.

 

[Blayt7hh]

No joke though, why that particular urban legend hit every corner of the country.. to a lesser degree Britney Spears getting her stomach pumped which made equally no medical sense.

Well I can’t say for everyone, but I heard it when I was like 12 and just believed it without really thinking about. I do remember someone mentioning it when I was in college and that’s when it dawned on me that that was bullshit.

 

[revoltub]

So did he do it?

 

[fingercuffs]

I listen to that CD while falling asleep last night. I have been listening to portrait of an american family, antichrist superstar, and mechanical animals a lot lately. (As well as Ministry and some NIN.)
I think the rest of Manson's CDs suck I do like his songs on the Lost Highway soundtrack.

He put out some great music. I like Heart Shaped Glasses but doubt I'll ever listen to that again now.
Burried in the back of my head he bent a security guard over and pretended to fuck him in his live DVD which was pretty unsavoury. DO NOT quote me on that though, I watched it heaps but not in many years.

 

[armbarforhire]

That’s not true, NIN definitely had their time in the main stream. Just about everyone heard Closer back in the day. I just searched it and Downward Spiral debuted at number 2 on the billboard, so they were definitely not some niche band

I didnt mean to say he was niche, but he will not be recognized by someone that doesnt listen rock music in general, he was popular enough to trascend rock genres so people that dont necesarily listen to his style of music were buying the record. But to be fair Manson's image was more popular than his music, he became more of a household name based on his pictures than songs.

 

[Blayt7hh]

I didnt mean to say he was niche, but he will not be recognized by someone that doesnt listen rock music in general, he was popular enough to trascend rock genres so people that dont necesarily listen to his style of music were buying the record. But to be fair Manson's image was more popular than his music, he became more of a household name based on his pictures than songs.

I would agree with that; Manson as a character is definitely more recognizable. A lot of people today probably wouldn’t recognize Trent

 

[fingercuffs]

haha, I saw that dvd.

I was a huge MM fan. I remember when ACS I was like expecting the apocalypse or something.

I do think that on Mechanical Animals some of it almost sounds pink floydish. Like Speed of Pain does. Great big white world, the dope show, mechianical animals, disassociative, speed of pain, coma white are great songs.

Bolan, Floyd, we all know Ziggy. It was a brilliant album.

 

[Bos Docken]

I didn't DESPISE Grotesque but he lost his edge for sure. The 3 albums before were brilliant.

mOBSCENE is a banger no matter what

 

[rocketskates]

Once musicians or bands come out to be pieces of shit, I generally stop listening out of moral stance. Thankfully, Manson has always sucked so this isn’t a loss.

 

[Bos Docken]

Once musicians or bands come out to be pieces of shit, I generally stop listening out of moral stance. Thankfully, Manson has always sucked so this isn’t a loss.

On one hand, I understand where you are coming from. I also have difficulty separating art from the artist. Same way I can't root for fighters who I don't like as people. Same way no one can watch the Cosby Show like they did in the 1980s.

On the other hand: That's a LOT of music to disregard. It's rare for any artist to be totally non-problematic.

Pretty much every rock legend was banging underage groupies. The jazz and blues hall of fame is full of drug addicts, domestic abusers, criminals. Even classical music has issues with anti-Semitic composers.

Do we cancel Led Zeppelin because Jimmy Page fucked a 14 year old? Is James Brown's music banned because he beat his wife? Should Wagner never be in anyone's repertoire because he hated Jews? I watched a documentary on Bob Dylan, he was an asshole.

On and on it goes. Just saying, it's complicated.

 

[rocketskates]

On one hand, I understand where you are coming from. I also have difficulty separating art from the artist. Same way I can't root for fighters who I don't like as people. Same way no one can watch the Cosby Show like they did in the 1980s.

On the other hand: That's a LOT of music to disregard. It's rare for any artist to be totally non-problematic.

Pretty much every rock legend was banging underage groupies. The jazz and blues hall of fame is full of drug addicts, domestic abusers, criminals. Even classical music has issues with anti-Semitic composers.

Do we cancel Led Zeppelin because Jimmy Page fucked a 14 year old? Is James Brown's music banned because he beat his wife? Should Wagner never be in anyone's repertoire because he hated Jews? I watched a documentary on Bob Dylan, he was an asshole.

On and on it goes. Just saying, it's complicated.

Good take. I guess I eliminate the artists that do shit so bad I just can’t get past it IE Gary Glitter. Manson on the other hand I never really liked so it doesn’t take much to get me to toss him to the side.

 

[Mike]

That’s not true, NIN definitely had their time in the main stream. Just about everyone heard Closer back in the day. I just searched it and Downward Spiral debuted at number 2 on the billboard, so they were definitely not some niche band

the way I see it is MM is one of those acts that comes along and becomes massively popular with Teens and middle school kids, and is popular for about the amount of time it takes for that generation to grow out of it. I imagine now that when people listen to him it’s mostly out of nostalgia or ironically. I don’t think I’ve even heard a MM song on the radio except for the Tainted Love cover in like the last ten years.

Like I said before, NIN maybe never got as popular as Manson was from like 98-2003 I guess, but they have a steady fanbase and people don’t really outgrow them. I do still hear NIN songs across their entire discography from time to time on rock stations.

I don't think a lot of the fanbase outgrew them, so much as the next group of teens coming up liked different stuff. A lot of nin fans I've met are pretty loyal.