Marilyn Manson the current #metoo

OCD is pretty commonly found with other disorders like anxiety and depression. I'd be more surprised if he hadn't memorized stuff like that tbh


Absolutely disgusting what they tried to do to that guy. And the complete lack of consequences shows other lunatics out there they can go on these crusades to ruin someone's life, knowing nothing will come back on them. The one girl even demanded a public apology and still bashed him and said he raped her after the whole thing was supposed to be dropped. Cost the guy a lot of money and stress and torched his reputation. And even though he proved his innocence as much as you could reasonably expect under those circumstances, absolutely zero consequences for them.

In a just world they would have served time in prison and faced civil suits. But they use this bullshit logic that you can't ever punish people for coming forward, even if they're found lying and colluding, because it might scare actual victims out of coming forward.

Yeah fuck that.


I've always felt that false claims of rape or sexual assault, if proven false in court or prior to court, should result in counter-action against the 'fake victim' who should face a similar sentence for trying to destroy someone's life and reputation.
 
I've always felt that false claims of rape or sexual assault, if proven false in court or prior to court, should result in counter-action against the 'fake victim' who should face a similar sentence for trying to destroy someone's life and reputation.
I absolutely agree with that. It's unfortunate that people have managed to label that pov as some sort of victim shaming. The entire point is these people ARENT victims, they're immoral sociopaths that make things worse for true victims.
 
Louis CK isn't some Scooby-Doo doo mystery surrounding whether or not he did the things
He didn't say that. He was pointing out how people that raped or seriously abused people are put in the exact same category as a guy that jerked off in front of people. Just because two things are wrong and exist in the same overall category doesn't make them equal.
 
I’m not a MM fan. But you saying He is 100% guilty based on a woman who has given numerous interviews AFTER their breakup stating he was a great guy, peaceful soul, they just didn’t work out, has to hold some water. She has had dating partners come out and say she was crazy, and she has had tons of partners guys and girls.

Pick up a book or a journal and read anything about cycles of abuse and how victims hide their trauma.

Also, she says he threatened her with violence and death if she spoke out. The man himself is on record talking about how he wants to bash her skull in.

It's pretty basic math.

All this "innocent until proven guilty" talk is nonsense.

Nobody's convicting anybody of anything.

It's as simple as this:

Everybody in the world now has the same access to all the same "evidence." We have the statements of many purported victims. We have Manson's past public actions and statements. We have Manson's response. Everybody is now drawing from the same wealth of knowledge regarding the situation.

From this data that's available, we're going to see two groups form. I'm not just referring to Manson fans but also the public at large.

The first group is going to assess all the information and come to the conclusion that these women are telling the truth. The people in this group see this as pretty cut and dry. There's no notable fishiness, there's no claims that most people would find shocking or unrealistic. Given the information available, none of the claims seem far-fetched and none of the accusers seem to have an agenda or ax to grind. The vast majority of people are going to fall into this group.

The second group is going to assess all of the information and immediately go on the defensive. They're going to immediately set off on conspiratorial thinking and start making claims that are incredibly outlandish to anybody not in this group.

Things like "why didn't she go public earlier" or "this is clearly just a PR campaign designed to hurt Manson's career" or "people used to say Manson got a rib removed so, therefore, any statement made about him is automatically just as nonsensical." The common thread between these knee-jerk defenses is that they aren't the sort of ideas one arrives at when assessing the situation on its face.

They're the sort of ideas one arrives at when starting with a conclusion ("Manson is innocent") and then working backward in an attempt to craft a defense. So they seem logical to the people in this second group, but to everybody else, these ideas are far more outlandish than just accepting the facts at face value.

So while the vast majority of people fall into the first group, the second group contains only people inherently primed to accept the far more outlandish scenarios - specifically Manson fans and anti-cancel-culture warriors.


TL;DR - There's no innocent or guilty here. There's two types of people looking at a situation. One type presumes the most likely explanation is true. The other type offers up far less likely explanations. Sure, the far less likely explanation could be true. But to accept this unlikely explanation by default is completely illogical to anybody who isn't emotionally attached to the discussion.
 
I was weirdly thinking about this last night. I'm surprised that 'drag' is still allowed to be a thing, by the rabid Leftists. I mean, it's basically men dressing up as and pretending to be women for comedy effect. Surely that's not something the hardcore feminists and SJWs would be behind? Oh hang on, it's usually gay men doing it so the Leftist heads will implode about criticising a protected group.
I've been to monthly drag brunches with plenty of staunch republicans and lefties. It's a real knees up. We'd just found our new home and then Covid put an end to it dammit. I can understand men being put off a bit because they tend to get picked on but it's a realy laugh, I don't know anyone who would have a problem with it thankfully.
 
I've been to monthly drag brunches with plenty of staunch republicans and lefties. It's a real knees up. We'd just found our new home and then Covid put an end to it dammit. I can understand men being put off a bit because they tend to get picked on but it's a realy laugh, I don't know anyone who would have a problem with it thankfully.


Hardcore leftists have a problem with anything that appears to make fun of any kind of protected characteristic, one of which is women. Fun in general, isn't something they seem to enjoy. SJWs seem to exist in a permanent state of struggle and misery, and want everyone else to to do the same. These are the same people who talk about 'cultural appropriation' if someone wears a sombrero to a Halloween party, so it's surprising that men dressing up as women for comedy purposes isn't on their radar.
 
I've always felt that false claims of rape or sexual assault, if proven false in court or prior to court, should result in counter-action against the 'fake victim' who should face a similar sentence for trying to destroy someone's life and reputation.
I've said the same many a time. Potentially even more, because mud sticks whether you're found not guilty or not.
 
I've always felt that false claims of rape or sexual assault, if proven false in court or prior to court, should result in counter-action against the 'fake victim' who should face a similar sentence for trying to destroy someone's life and reputation.

I've said the same many a time. Potentially even more, because mud sticks whether you're found not guilty or not.

Yeah.

Look what happened to Matthew Kelly and John Leslie. Both successful TV personalities. Both accused of rape. Both cleared. Both barely worked again. Both most of the public can't quite remember what the verdict is, so lump them in with Jimmy Saville.
 
If the allegations are true and I believe they most likely are, then I'm fairly positive (as in 100% certain) she expected not to be sexually assaulted and tortured by the guy.

But did they even say that?, all I saw is they used terms like gaslighting, grooming (even when they are not underage) and some other toxic behavior they make it sound like rape and physical domestic violence when it isnt.

Not saying is ok for toxic relationships, but there is a difference between rape, hitting a women and being toxic, the second is not gender violence, its not based on the physical advantages of men and can be applied to both sexes, Amber Heard is toxic, she uses gaslighting, yet she is not going to be accused of rape, misandry . I bet you most actresses, especially the ones that do drugs will fall in to this category.
 
But did they even say that?, all I saw is they used terms like gaslighting, grooming (even when they are not underage) and some other toxic behavior they make it sound like rape and physical domestic violence when it isnt.

This is 2018 when Evan testified in front of a congressional committee.

It's short, but you can skip to 0:44 if you wish.

 
I never really understood the hype surrounding this guy. He had some decent songs on Portrait of an American Family and his Sweet Dreams cover was solid. Otherwise, his music is pretty meh. He isn’t even shocking by 90’s standards.

I guess his appeal is that he’s an intense performer who looks ridiculous while doing so.

His autobiography was a good read.
Antichrist Superstar, Mechanical Animals and Holy Wood were great albums and the live DVD Guns, Gods and Governments I used to watch to death. He turned to crap after that, they were 20 years ago now.
 
Antichrist Superstar, Mechanical Animals and Holy Wood were great albums and the live DVD Guns, Gods and Governments I used to watch to death. He turned to crap after that, they were 20 years ago now.


I only ever liked his Mechanical Animals which is quite bizarre because I've never been a Bowie fan and it's clearly influenced by him. Not usually my type of thing, but I enjoyed that album. His other stuff, nope, not my bag at all.
 
This is 2018 when Evan testified in front of a congressional committee.

It's short, but you can skip to 0:44 if you wish.



Some of those things sound fucked up, but the binding does sound exactly like what you expect from a goth in fethishistic latex S&M costumes.
 
Some of those things sound fucked up, but the binding does sound exactly like what you expect from a goth in fethishistic latex S&M costumes.


Oh, 100%. Don't tell me though that any girl hooking up with Manson expects him to be a "missionary, reverse cowgirl, doggstyle, cum on ass cheeks, go to sleep" type guy. The whole point of going for a guy/girl in fetishistic S&M clothing is because you know.......they are probably into that type of sex?
 
Buddy of mine had a sister who dated Brian Warner back in the day. He wasn't anything abnormal from my limited perception. He was mostly into riding jet skis lol
 
I only ever liked his Mechanical Animals which is quite bizarre because I've never been a Bowie fan and it's clearly influenced by him. Not usually my type of thing, but I enjoyed that album. His other stuff, nope, not my bag at all.
Definitely a bit of Marc Bolan going on as well. Yeah, great album, I'll try and shelve that he's a grotty bastard if I listen to it again, I doubt I'll be getting the live DVD out again.
 
Definitely a bit of Marc Bolan going on as well. Yeah, great album, I'll try and shelve that he's a grotty bastard if I listen to it again, I doubt I'll be getting the live DVD out again.


Not that I was a major fan to begin with but I binned my Lostprophets first album for similar reasons.......even worse reasons, in fact.
 
but the binding does sound exactly like what you expect from a goth in fethishistic latex S&M costumes.

That's missing the forest for the trees because that isn't relevant to the accusations at hand.

ERW was 18 when she met 37-year-old Manson...

How many 18-year-olds do you know who make rational decisions 100% of the time?

Who hasn't fallen in love with someone and then, later on, realizes this person wasn't who you thought they were and you found yourself in a toxic relationship?

Listen, if this was just a case of Manson potentially being a shitty boyfriend by cheating on her and said some mean things to her then that would be one thing. But he is not being accused of being a shitty boyfriend.

The things he is being accused of are actual felonies... the most serious class of criminal offense.

This should be (and hopefully will be) investigated which is what BOTH Evan (and the other women) and Marilyn Manson should want if they truly have the courage of their convictions and are willing to accept the consequences of the end result.

How much you believe in something is manifested only by what you’re willing to risk for it.
 
Not that I was a major fan to begin with but I binned my Lostprophets first album for similar reasons.......even worse reasons, in fact.
Of course, they were Welsh too which couldn't have helped. I'm surprised no one finished him off in there.
 
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