Marilyn Manson the current #metoo

[HereticBD]

Have you ever been abused for 3 years as a teenager?

LOL, wut?

Why are you automatically flying to his defence when multiple women have gone through the same story with him.

Why are you automatically condemning him, when all you know is the shit you've seen on the TV, with absolutely no facts? He denies it, no? Why don't you actually let him defend himself, before jumping to conclusions?

You are fucking mental. I know he was fucking weird but Jesus Christ fucking a teenager and grooming her was fine with you? Fuck. You are twisted as all fuck.

I wasn't aware that you personally knew all these people and have been with them the entire time, and haven't gotten all your information from some documentary that presents nothing but hearsay. My bad.

 

[fingercuffs]

LOL, wut?



Why are you automatically condemning him, when all you know is the shit you've seen on the TV, with absolutely no facts? He denies it, no? Why don't you actually let him defend himself, before jumping to conclusions?



I wasn't aware that you personally knew all these people and have been with them the entire time, and haven't gotten all your information from some documentary that presents nothing but hearsay. My bad.

And I wasn't aware that you like multiple women being sexually abused by someone making your mind up about some bloke you have fuck all idea about.

Lovely how many rape apologists I meet on here. Tell me from the interviews you've viewed from the women exactly why you doubt them.

 

[HereticBD]

And I wasn't aware that you like multiple women being sexually abused by someone making your mind up about some bloke you have fuck all idea about.

See, I haven't made up my mind at all. I don't know any of these people, and can't possibly know what they're saying is true. All I see is a bunch of hearsay. You on the other hand, have 100% made up your mind based on nothing but hearsay.

Lovely how many rape apologists I meet on here. Tell me from the interviews you've viewed from the women exactly why you doubt them.

They said things in interviews? Oh', that 100% makes all of their statements true. My bad again.

#FreeJussie
#LockUpJohnnyDepp

 

[fingercuffs]

See, I haven't made up my mind at all. I don't know any of these people, and can't possibly know what they're saying is true. All I see is a bunch of hearsay. You on the other hand, have 100% made up your mind based on nothing but hearsay.



They said things in interviews? Oh', that 100% makes all of their statements true. My bad again.

#FreeJussie
#LockUpJohnnyDepp

Why aren't you supporting the women and being all bro about it? Again, have you ever been abused? None of you have answered this really fucking important question. At all.

Why are y'all giving me shit rather than the man I thankfully married. A strong man, who doesn't blame women for getting the fuck beat out of them and unlike you, have zero compassion whatsoever.

 

[Kryptt]

#LockUpJohnnyDepp

 

[Kardashians]

I mean, after reading his own autobiography that he wrote, I can see him being abusive towards women. He sounds fucking deranged. I get it’s Marilyn Manson, you expect that from him. But it doesn’t make it right to act that way with everybody.

 

[Kardashians]

Why aren't you supporting the women and being all bro about it? Again, have you ever been abused? None of you have answered this really fucking important question. At all.

Men are typically more concerned about whether or not a guy is being falsely accused. Does it happen nearly as much as abusive relationships? No.

I don’t know where I was going with that. Guess I’m just not surprised as this is how these threads, and honestly in general society, goes.

 

[Kryptt]

I mean, after reading his own autobiography that he wrote, I can see him being abusive towards women. He sounds fucking deranged. I get it’s Marilyn Manson, you expect that from him. But it doesn’t make it right to act that way with everybody.

The Long Hard Road out of Hell is his "autobio" but it's littered with his creativity and deceptions...

The art of the sell.. to angst and outrage...

Not that it's all fluffed just not as portrayed necessarily...

 

[HereticBD]

Why aren't you supporting the women and being all bro about it?

Because there is no way to know if they're telling the truth, and I afford the accused the benefit of the doubt if they deny the accusations being made against them. I'm weird like that. I wasn't groomed under Salem Witch Trial Law.

Again, have you ever been abused? None of you have answered this really fucking important question. At all.

It's not important at all. Somebody's abuse, has nothing to do with someone else's alleged abuse. May as well ask me if I've been physically assaulted, while maintaining neutrality over somebody a million miles away claiming they were physically assaulted. It has no bearing on the merit of that claim.

Why are y'all giving me shit rather than the man I thankfully married.

Huh?

I can give him some e-shit if you want, but I don't see the purpose.

 

[fingercuffs]

Because there is no way to know if they're telling the truth, and I afford the accused the benefit of the doubt if they deny the accusations being made against them. I'm weird like that. I wasn't groomed under Salem Witch Trial Law.



It's not important at all. Somebody's abuse, has nothing to do with someone else's alleged abuse. May as well ask me if I've been physically assaulted, while maintaining neutrality over somebody a million miles away claiming they were physically assaulted. It has no bearing on the merit of that claim.



Huh?

I can give him some e-shit if you want, but I don't see the purpose.

Again. Why are you being so fucking vehemently against 5 women after not even remotely watching the interviews? Why have you made up some clear Manson fanguy bullshit up without watching a shred of interview. What are you basing your evidence on?

 

[HereticBD]

Again. Why are you being so fucking vehemently against 5 women after not even remotely watching the interviews? Why have you made up some clear Manson fanguy bullshit up without watching a shred of interview. What are you basing your evidence on?

I have no evidence of anything, and thus remain neutral. I don't base such strong opinions on mere accusations.

You on the other hand, would like to see the guy hang, based on nothing but hearsay from some documentary you saw. That's pretty insane, and I hope you are never in a position to hand out life altering judgement to anyone. You're clearly too emotional to think rationally about topics that trigger you.

 

[fingercuffs]

I have no evidence of anything, and thus remain neutral. I don't base such strong opinions on mere accusations.

You on the other hand, would like to see the guy hang, based on nothing but hearsay from some documentary you saw. That's pretty insane, and I hope you are never in a position to hand out life altering judgement to anyone. You're clearly too emotional to think rationally about topics that trigger you.

I've mentioned various interviews by many women various times. Why are you so obsessed by an documentary so often? Why do you love this guy so much? Why are you weirdly focusing on on one woman? Why do you not give five flying fucks about this guy being a fucking bastard and being so certain that 5 women made everything up. You're a fucking creep.

 

[PaleMoonlight]

Why aren't you supporting the women and being all bro about it? Again, have you ever been abused? None of you have answered this really fucking important question. At all.

Why are y'all giving me shit rather than the man I thankfully married. A strong man, who doesn't blame women for getting the fuck beat out of them and unlike you, have zero compassion whatsoever.

I’m on no one’s side right now because it’s hard to tell what’s the truth.

But all @HereticBD is saying that allegations can’t be trusted 100% until there’s evidence. I don’t think he meant it as women can’t be trusted. He’ll probably say the same thing if a guy alleged a girl for abusing him.

 

[fingercuffs]

I’m on no one’s side right now because it’s hard to tell what’s the truth.

But all @HereticBD is saying that allegations can’t be trusted 100% until there’s evidence. I don’t think he meant it as women can’t be trusted. He’ll probably say the same thing if a guy alleged a girl for abusing him.

If he had ever said anything towards us whatsoever inclined to us offering any sense of humanity I would be inclined to agree with you. All he has done is be bang out of order about women and give us nothing whatsoever. Nothing nice, just nastiness.

 

[HereticBD]

I've mentioned various interviews by many women various times.

And? You've also mentioned women that said he didn't do any such things to them, but decided to cast judgement on them as being into "freaky shit", because they didn't fit your victim narrative. Rose McGowen being one of those women. You know, one of those abused and tortured women, that you just automatically believe because they're "survivors" and can't possibly tell a lie?

Seems to me, like you only believe people when they're telling you what you want to hear.

Why are you so obsessed by an documentary so often?

This is your "evidence", sweetheart. You're the one obsessed with it. I'm pointing out how absurd it is to take such a thing as gospel.

Why do you love this guy so much?

"The Beautiful People" was a decent jam, but I don't think I qualify as a fan at all.

Why are you weirdly focusing on on one woman? Why do you not give five flying fucks about this guy being a fucking bastard and being so certain that 5 women made everything up. You're a fucking creep.

Your husband sounds like he has lots of patience. God bless him.

 

[StonedLemur]

I've mentioned various interviews by many women various times. Why are you so obsessed by an documentary so often? Why do you love this guy so much? Why are you weirdly focusing on on one woman? Why do you not give five flying fucks about this guy being a fucking bastard and being so certain that 5 women made everything up. You're a fucking creep.

I'm only leaving my 2 cents here, so don't hurt me lol.

If he is found guilty then obviously he should be punished accordingly, and that's just a fact.

If those women are found to be lying, they should also be punished accordingly, that's also a fact.

Guys that hurt women physically/sexually that don't want to be hurt physically/sexually or do it against their will are scum, no doubt.

Same goes for women that do evil shit.


Now, I'll ask one question that has made me curious reading this thread....I have no idea about this case so pardon my ignorance.

You keep saying "groomed" as if she was under age, but I thought she was 18-20 years old?
As my understanding of the word "groomed" goes it's not something that refers to consenting adults.

I think my feelings on s has been well documented on the Cain thread, but this is not that, so I'm just trying to get where you're coming from is all.

 

[CrippleWerk]

I'll echo what Trent Reznor says about him, Manson's just a fucked up idiot who hasn't written a good song in decades, who cares?

 

[Kardashians]

I'm only leaving my 2 cents here, so don't hurt me lol.

If he is found guilty then obviously he should be punished accordingly, and that's just a fact.

If those women are found to be lying, they should also be punished accordingly, that's also a fact.

Guys that hurt women physically/sexually that don't want to be hurt physically/sexually or do it against their will are scum, no doubt.

Same goes for women that do evil shit.


Now, I'll ask one question that has made me curious reading this thread....I have no idea about this case so pardon my ignorance.

You keep saying "groomed" as if she was under age, but I thought she was 18-20 years old?
As my understanding of the word "groomed" goes it's not something that refers to consenting adults.

I think my feelings on s has been well documented on the Cain thread, but this is not that, so I'm just trying to get where you're coming from is all.

I think groomed is used for older people interacting with younger people in a romantic or sexual way. Of course often it’s a term used in cases of much younger people, but it can still apply here. A nearly forty year old man going after an 18 year old comes off as predatory in the very least. Yeah yeah age of consent. Still creepy.

 

[fingercuffs]

And? You've also mentioned women that said he didn't do any such things to them, but decided to cast judgement on them as being into "freaky shit", because they didn't fit your victim narrative. Rose McGowen being one of those women. You know, one of those abused and tortured women, that you just automatically believe because they're "survivors" and can't possibly tell a lie?

Seems to me, like you only believe people when they're telling you what you want to hear.



This is your "evidence", sweetheart. You're the one obsessed with it. I'm pointing out how absurd it is to take such a thing as gospel.



"The Beautiful People" was a decent jam, but I don't think I qualify as a fan at all.



Your husband sounds like he has lots of patience. God bless him.

What did you read about what I said about Dita and Rose? Just tell me what you've read about the flippin interviews, if you are so clear of your findings just tell me whay you've found about all these women lying. Because thus far you have proved nothing other than being a disgusting rape apologist.

 

[StonedLemur]

I think groomed is used for older people interacting with younger people in a romantic or sexual way. Of course often it’s a term used in cases of much younger people, but it can still apply here. A nearly forty year old man going after an 18 year old comes off as predatory in the very least. Yeah yeah age of consent. Still creepy.

I have never heard it being used between adults ever tbh.