Manny Gamburyan's throw against Jeff Cox

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  1. BJJK1

    BJJK1 Green Belt

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    judo guys, what is the name of the throw? i would do a search, but i wouldn't know where to begin. He had both his hands on Jeff's right arm(one on the tricep and the other a little below the elbow), and used his right leg to trip Ryan's right leg(outside) and tossed Ryan over his shoulder. that was a sweet throw.

    thanks for the help.

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    is this it?

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  2. Timbaland

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    It sounds like harai goshi since he used his leg to throw him. Its definitely a hip throw though.
     
  3. Tony Manifold

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    I haven't seen the throw yet but it sounds like it could be a two on one tai otoshi, orseoi otoshi.
     
  4. Jimmy Cerra

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    That picture looks like tai otoshi, but the throw you describe seems like seoi otoshi. I wish I was able to catch the fights on Wednesday. :-/

    Tony Manifold, you beat me to the post!
     
  5. Darkslide632

    Darkslide632 Brown Belt

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    Do you mean against Jeff Cox?

    I don't know what to call it. I wouldn't call it seoi otoshi, that's for sure. Yama Arashi maybe.
     
  6. Delbjj

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    Sounds like Harai Makikomi

    <img src="http://www.judoinfo.com/images/animations/blue/haraimakikomi.gif">
     
  7. BJJK1

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    kind of , but the red guys right arm is under the blue guys armpit. and there wasn't as much hip
     
  8. Kimuralex

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    it was a harai goshi, the fight is on dailymotion.com
     
  9. Darkslide632

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    I saw the video. I didn't think it was harai, though I admit that it falls in that grey area between harai goshi/o guruma/ashi guruma that tends to happen a lot.

    There's no sweeping with the hips in the throw. In fact his hips aren't engaged at all. It's closer to ashi guruma that harai goshi, if you ask me... though there does seem to be a bit of pull happening with the leg.
     
  10. Jimmy Cerra

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    Yep, it was harai with a 2-on-1 grip. I am learning to love that grip.
     
  11. Darkslide632

    Darkslide632 Brown Belt

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    If it were harai goshi, you would be able to see more of Manny's leg, I think.

    I'm going to stick with yama arashi as I think that 1) There's not enough hip for Harai goshi, 2) the hands did more work than the leg, IMO.
     
  12. TacWar

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    That throw you posted a gif of appears to be tai otoshi where the leg is planted. If he uses the leg to kick out the guys leg to land the throw, that would make it harai goshi.
     
  14. TacWar

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    And my description of the throw would be like a seionage but intsead of stepping between his legs Manny stepped outside the leg and reaped it.
     
  15. birdbones

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    Is it common in judo to do throws that are hybrids of 2 different ones? In my bjj class, we drill a throw that's a cross between an uki-goshi(sp?)and tsuru-goshi. I'd like to know if it's one in particular so I can read up on on all of the details that makes it work.
     
  16. Darkslide632

    Darkslide632 Brown Belt

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    Not true. Not at all. There is more involved in defining a throw as harai goshi than using a "...leg to kick the guys leg and land the throw..." The REALITY is that the leg does very little in harai goshi. Harai goshi is translated as "sweeping loin" throw, and it is the HIPS that sweep, not the legs. I can perform harai goshi and my leg barely moves at all.
     
  17. Thalion

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    Seoi otoshi
     
  18. Tony Manifold

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    All the time. Do you mean Tsuri-goshi? That is essentially just an o-goshi where you grab the belt, so what you are doing is would be an uki goshi wear you grab the belt. ALthough, I could never pull off an uki goshi in randori. It was more of a timing move against a rush for me.
     
  19. sha

    sha Geekjitsu Black Belt

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    I would describe that as harai goshi with a seoi nage grip.

    But I wouldn't try that against a good bjj player, you could get your back taken pretty easily.
     
  20. birdbones

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    Heh, i'm not sure what I mean. The one we do involves just putting the arm around the guy's back(no gripping), and the other hand is gripping his other arm above his elbow(not holding on to the gi)
     

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