Crime Mango Molester's sentencing

mkess101 said:
Do you think they believe that will work for their base? Biden may not even know where he is at this point so let's leave him out of it. Regardless, my hunch is that the Dems know that would be a useless tactic for them. Harris isn't now nor will ever be a viable candidate. Attempting to make the claim that she actually won would resonate as moronic even amongst their base. Trump supporters have blinders on--they're behind him come hell or high water so his tactic (although illegal and abhorrent) made sense from an effectiveness standpoint. Harris doesn't now nor ever had real support. Pretending she won would set the Dems back, not replicate what Trump did.
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Hopefully he was being facetious but I don't think it would be so hard to believe Harris won since most people were voting against Trump and not for her. I agree most Democrata wouldn't sit by and allow that to happen though but it's because most of the people that cried stolen election and backed the coup the last time around were cultists.
 
Islam Imamate said:
Yes exactly, because Trump and his movement are uniquely illiberal and antithetical to democracy and its institutions and norms. Hence Trump can commit crimes in broad daylight and his supporters won't hold him to account and people like you will come to his defense but if Dems lose an elections suddenly they have to capitulate as if the other side plays by the same rules.
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Gave you the like but if both sides start playing that game we're truly lost.
 
mkess101 said:
Without going through the mountain of stuff that's filled this forum for years--my view is that Trump pulled shady and likely illegal shit but that once the transfer of power had already happened, the fervor in which he was still hunted undoubtedly had some political motivation. To be clear--he brought it on himself plenty. He's a "with me or against me" persona. So he made enemies and when they smelled blood, they went for it. Didn't work, but they tried.
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Now that's the political understatement of the century... 😁
 
LangfordBarrow said:
Gave you the like but if both sides start playing that game we're truly lost.
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Obviously I don't actually want Dems to try to steal an election or refuse to acknowledge one like Trump did but if there's any lesson to be learned from Trump's win it's that shameless partisanship, cheating, and even criminal acts aren't as politically damaging as they once were.
 
mkess101 said:
"Come to his defense"? I'm talking in practical terms. Are you not able to distinguish between the reality of a situation and the hypothetical you created regarding the Dems trying the same tactics?
I was exceedingly vocal about how big a deal Jan 6th was. How it undermined democracy. How it's not how we should operate. I'm mildly surprised that Trump was able to make this comeback, even given the loyalty of his base. Part of my reason for that surprise is that I didn't think the Dems could screw up so badly in handling their own shit.

Let's be clear here. Trump TRIED to overturn a fair election. TRIED. And he FAILED. There WAS a transfer of power. Joe Biden IS about to finish his term. Trump was not able to steal anything. The fact that 4 years later he's able to come in and win so convincingly shouldn't have you railing against his base. They didn't change. It should have you wondering exactly how terrible the Dems had to F up in order to see such an utter reversal and lose the swing vote so badly.
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I agree with you, and maybe I'm misreading you a bit, but even though his plot failed and he has political enemies it doesn't mean his prosecutions were politically motivated. If anything was politically motivated it was Judge Cannon's handling of the Documents case.
 
BFoe said:
I never expected much punishment on this one.

But it is official, America has elected our first ever convicted felon to the presidency, an act of absolute shame that conservatives—and anyone else that cast that vote—will own forever.
Fucking clowns. 🤡
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Yes they elected a convicted felon, he's their representative! Yes the politicians are corrupt, that's because the citizenry is super corrupt.
 
mkess101 said:
I don't know enough details to accurately say how far they should've gone to prosecute him after the fact TBH. I don't think anyone not involved does.

I'm speaking in the here and now. Do you think obsessing about what's happened is going to help the Dems? Or would focusing on how to win back the middle perhaps be a more worthwhile use of their resources?
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The only reason is that as President he's immune from prosecution. There's enough details out there of the coup plot to know it's real, if there's evidence to attach it directly to Trump I don't think it's been made public, but it would be hard to imagine so many in his orbit making these moves without an okay from him. If Smith's report is made public maybe we'll learn something new.
 
mkess101 said:
Sure, but the thing is to take a step back and view it from a "winning vs losing" strategy standpoint. Trump has 4 years and the cult leader stuff is gone. Are Dems gonna what then...try the same thing with Vance or whoever and say "Here's the acolyte of the cult leader trying to become the new leader!! We must stop him!!" Do they think thats a viable tactic?
The Republicans really don't have ideas of their own that resonate but what they do have right now is the belief from the swing voters that they're the more normal, rational ones that reject the wacky culture stuff that plenty of Dems embrace. And if the Dems don't address that, it has staying power unlike the "stop Trump at all costs" rhetoric that's now over since he can't run again.
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LangfordBarrow said:
I agree with you, and maybe I'm misreading you a bit, but even though his plot failed and he has political enemies it doesn't mean his prosecutions were politically motivated. If anything was politically motivated it was Judge Cannon's handling of the Documents case.
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They. Don't. Care.

All that matters is owning the libs, California is on fire and all they can talk about is how it's the Dem's fault.
 
LangfordBarrow said:
The only reason is that as President he's immune from prosecution. There's enough details out there of the coup plot to know it's real, if there's evidence to attach it directly to Trump I don't think it's been made public, but it would be hard to imagine so many in his orbit making these moves without an okay from him. If Smith's report is made public maybe we'll learn something new.
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Yawn…. Its all theater for the mindless masses



You’re being played
 
CantCucktheTuck said:
more cope
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Oh that’s actually just called “math.”


KeepingItReal said:
Yes they elected a convicted felon, he's their representative! Yes the politicians are corrupt, that's because the citizenry is super corrupt.
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That’s the sad part. If not corrupt, the citizenry has certainly shown a willingness to do some crazy mental gymnastics to justify awful shit.
 
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