Man stands up to system and wins.

[csroster]

Yes, the cops could have violated their rights anywhere.

You think my point of making the switch some place else is equal to the idea that if they had never been there it wouldn't have happened? Seriously?

That's what it sounds like to me, but maybe I'm just not getting what your point actually is.

Is your point that people can do things to lessen the chance of a bad situation occurring? I absolutely agree with that and don't really see how it could be argued against.

But my point would then be that in real life planning every move ahead of time to always be in the perfect position is easier said than done. There's a dozen reasons that switching then and there may have seemed like the best option at the time.

 

[CubicleGangster]

Disagree with my point all you want. But stop putting words in my posts that fit your position. If I'm the only one who feels that all of this could've been avoided by the victims making a different decision that's fine.

But let me be perfectly clear . . .

I'm not excusing the actions of the cops.

I'm not blaming the victims for expecting to be able to switch drivers where ever they choose, I'm saying it was a stupid decision to do it where they did it.



But you go ahead and read into that what you want . . .

you have yet to give one example why it was a stupid decision, until you do I am done arguing with you.

 

[steelers07]

this guy did absolutely nothing wrong ..

he wasn't doing anything suspicious from what I gather .. they pulled over to switch because she was tired I believe .. I'm sure people have done that many times .. if the cops don't stop, they probably would've been back on the road in a few minutes and nothing happens ..

when the cops saw that nothing was going on, he should've said 'ok have a good night' and drove off .. but no, he's a big bad cop with authority so you're gonna have to bow down to him for a bit before he 'lets you go'

 

[bowened]

LOL at the lessons being pushed in this thread.

1. If you are falling asleep at the wheel, keep driving.

2. If a police officer violates your rights, you probably should have planned your day better.

 

[Calmete]

LOL at the lessons being pushed in this thread.

1. If you are falling asleep at the wheel, keep driving.

2. If a police officer violates your rights, you probably should have planned your day better.

Would it be too much to ask who specifically are you referencing?

 

[Strychnine]

I'm amazed at how so many people in this thread are willing to bend over and take it up the six, just because someone has a badge. If a cop is wrong, they're wrong. The guy did NOTHING wrong. What is so hard to believe about standing up for yourself (in a calm manner like he did) when you did nothing wrong?

 

[Calmete]

I'm amazed at how so many people in this thread are willing to bend over and take it up the six, just because someone has a badge. If a cop is wrong, they're wrong. The guy did NOTHING wrong. What is so hard to believe about standing up for yourself (in a calm manner like he did) when you did nothing wrong?

Care to actually back this up with "so many" actual names?

 

[CubicleGangster]

LOL at the lessons being pushed in this thread.

1. If you are falling asleep at the wheel, keep driving.

2. If a police officer violates your rights, you probably should have planned your day better.

hahahaha so true!

 

[BearGrounds]

Would it be too much to ask who specifically are you referencing?

Care to actually back this up with "so many" actual names?

I don't think anyone should respond to you until you've clarified what you mean by this:

I hope he had fun. Keep tugging on supermans cape.

 

[Calmete]

I don't think anyone should respond to you until you've clarified what you mean by this:

I agree, the cops should have drove off after asking if everything was ok. They didn't. This dipshit, and that's exactly what he is, instead of earning respect started acting like a prick while demanding respect.

I always yes sir/no sir police officers. Because I expect a level of respect in return. Not because I believe in some authoritarian jackboot society. And every time I've done this it ended in a good experience in the end.

Yep, the police were in the wrong. Yep, this dipshit screwed with them because he could. And he got a very predictable response. That doesn't make the predictable response by the police officers acceptable though.

 

[bowened]

I don't think anyone should respond to you until you've clarified what you mean by this:

LOL Superman.

More like those morons didn't realize they were messing with Clark Kent.

 

[45ACP]

I agree, the cops should have drove off after asking if everything was ok. They didn't. This dipshit, and that's exactly what he is, instead of earning respect started acting like a prick while demanding respect.

I always yes sir/no sir police officers. Because I expect a level of respect in return. Not because I believe in some authoritarian jackboot society. And every time I've done this it ended in a good experience in the end.

Yep, the police were in the wrong. Yep, this dipshit screwed with them because he could. And he got a very predictable response. That doesn't make the predictable response by the police officers acceptable though.

Objecting to police breaking the law and violating your rights is "screwing" with the police? Seems to me the cops were the ones doing the "screwing" as soon as they opened the door to the van.

 

[BigMazz]

I agree, the cops should have drove off after asking if everything was ok. They didn't. This dipshit, and that's exactly what he is, instead of earning respect started acting like a prick while demanding respect.

I always yes sir/no sir police officers. Because I expect a level of respect in return. Not because I believe in some authoritarian jackboot society. And every time I've done this it ended in a good experience in the end.

Yep, the police were in the wrong. Yep, this dipshit screwed with them because he could. And he got a very predictable response. That doesn't make the predictable response by the police officers acceptable though.

First, it's nice to see a coherent and complete thought from you. It's usually a one sentence snipe, directed at a response, rather than the topic.

If you in any way think this guy was being unreasonable, or disrespectful, you are crazy. He was very polite, and very appropriate.

I think a lot of you guys in the thread just inherently dislike the guy for some reason and can't see past your dislike of his personality to objectively view the situation for what it is. I really see nothing that would cause you to call the guy a dipshit.

 

[PainIsLIfe]

Or maybe the cop could ask for ID, the guy could identify himself (which he did), the cop could ask if they were OK, the guy could say "We're good", the cops could look in the window of the van and see there was no child bound in the backseat, and they could all say "Have a nice night."

There is no law against pulling over on the shoulder. None. This went south when the cop illegally opened his door to search his vehicle. He asked him to stopped and the cops were incredibly offended that someone was questioning their absolute authority to do whatever they want whenever they want. This was apparent by their attitudes.

"FIRST OFF, YOU DON'T TELL ME WHAT TO SAY. DO YOU UNDERSTAND ME?"

What kind of bullshit is that? Who the fuck, other than a cop, talks to someone else like that?

And who gives a shit if he turned a two minute stop into an hour stop? The charges were bogus. They can't just issue citations because you've upset them.

1- The guy identified himself later, not at the start of the edited vid. I believe standard procedure in that area is to verify with a passenger to see if the stories match.

2- I always thought that the emergency lane was for emergencies, thus the sign that says emergency only, no stopping/parking. As I said, I don

 

[PainIsLIfe]

The situation escalated when the cop opened the door of his vehicle and started looking inside, which is illegal and unconstitutional. That's when the guy started to dig his heels in and made the jackboot comment. Of course it would have been easier if he didn't stand up for his rights at that point, but he did.

Not so sure that he was searching, but you are correct that it was illegal if that's what he was doing.

 

[BigMazz]

1- The guy identified himself later, not at the start of the edited vid. I believe standard procedure in that area is to verify with a passenger to see if the stories match.

2- I always thought that the emergency lane was for emergencies, thus the sign that says emergency only, no stopping/parking. As I said, I don

 

[Ayin]

No I'm not. I'm not excusing the actions of the police at all.

But then...

I said the victims could have made a different decision that most likely would've avoided this situation entirely.

So, instead of doing ONE perfectly legal thing, if they had of done ANOTHER perfectly legal thing, with no fore-knowledge of what was about to occur, then they could have actively avoided something for which they were entirely not at fault.

Excellent. Continue arguing.

 

[Ayin]

I agree, the cops should have drove off after asking if everything was ok. They didn't.

Gotcha, so the police were entirely in the wrong, which they were, which was proven when this guy was vindicated in court due to his actions.

This dipshit, and that's exactly what he is, instead of earning respect started acting like a prick while demanding respect.

So, personal attacks followed by... something about respect? So, instead of doing EXACTLY WHAT HE WAS WITHIN HIS RIGHTS TO DO, he should have done..?

I always yes sir/no sir police officers. Because I expect a level of respect in return.

He should have been more polite? Certainly, everyone should be more polite. Consider that you opened this post with a personal insult (actually calling someone a name like you were in the 6th grade...).

Yep, the police were in the wrong.

Good, you've come to the right conclusion. I assume this liine of thought is over then?

Yep, this dipshit screwed with them because he could.

Indeed. He COULD choose to assert his rights, and he did. Perhaps he should have been more polite about it, but he has no need to do so. He was, again, entirely within his rights.

That doesn't make the predictable response by the police officers acceptable though.

Indeed, they were entirely in the wrong.



So, Police=wrong. This guy=right. Everyone should=more polite to each other. Gotcha.

 

[BearGrounds]

Not so sure that he was searching, but you are correct that it was illegal if that's what he was doing.

I hope, for your sake, you're feigning ignorance and not actually that dense...

 

[thebluerider]

I don't think anyone should respond to you until you've clarified what you mean by this:

struggling with yt right now. it's from a Jim Croce song. You don't messa round with Jim.