Man stands up to system and wins.

[PainIsLIfe]

there is no need for you to open the door of a car to talk to someone inside .. no cop has ever opened my door to talk to me .. he was fishing

I just watched it over again and I hadn't noticed they also did a search ON HIM .. patted him down .. for what ? was that even legal/warranted ? .. fkn incompetent, power hungry pigs

It appears to me that the wife was in the back seat - I don't know if rear windows open in minivans (mine didn't), but I'm sure it also crossed his mind that he might see something in view.

When the guy goes to object the officer initially says "I'm not searching" and since the wife is in the back seat with the officer during this "search", I have to think what I posted is the more likely scenario.

I'm not sure about checking the guy, but I think the cops are allowed to check a person that they're dealing with for weapons - actually the guy talked a little strange, almost like he was high or something - for their own safety.

This is from legal zoom:


A frisk is justified under the following circumstances:

-Concern for the safety of the officer or of others.
-Suspicion the suspect is armed and dangerous.
-Suspicion the suspect is about to commit a crime where a weapon is commonly used.
-Officer is alone and backup has not arrived.
-Number of suspects and their physical size.
-Behavior, emotional state, and/or look of suspects.
-Suspect gave evasive answers during the initial stop.
-Time of day and/or geographical surroundings (not sufficient by themselves to justify frisk).

 

[45ACP]

This is from legal zoom:


A frisk is justified under the following circumstances:

-Concern for the safety of the officer or of others.
-Suspicion the suspect is armed and dangerous.
-Suspicion the suspect is about to commit a crime where a weapon is commonly used.
-Officer is alone and backup has not arrived.
-Number of suspects and their physical size.
-Behavior, emotional state, and/or look of suspects.
-Suspect gave evasive answers during the initial stop.
-Time of day and/or geographical surroundings (not sufficient by themselves to justify frisk).

So according to legal zoom a frisk is ALWAYS justified. Sweet.

 

[BigMazz]

I'm just going to throw this out there in hopes that it helps with the sidebar argument going on, but it looks to me like they are pulled of off the shoulder of the access road. You can see cars driving by, and it looks like they are up on the highway, across a grass median, and far away from where the van is stopped. I don't think they are just half-ass off the highway. It looks like they exited and are on the side of the access road. And on top of that, there is hardly any traffic at all. I realize the video is edited, but there are hardly any cars going by.

 

[spamking]

I do get it. Your arguments sound desperate and ridiculous.

Do you really?

just stop arguing with him, it will go nowhere lol

LOL . . . .

 

[spamking]

That's not why you're catching heat ITT. You're getting slammed because you're placing the root of the problem on the victim's head. Evidenced in your initial statement.

Good grief . . . forgive me for questioning why the drivers did what they did.

What lead to this entire incident?

You see what I bolded? That's why people are shitting on you. And they're justified
to do so because your POV is backwards.

How is questioning the decision made by the drivers backwards? Why is stating that IN MY OPINION the entire situation might never had happened (notice I'm not excusing the officers at all) had they chose a different location to switch drivers. Could the exact same situation had happened at a truck stop or rest area? Sure, but if you expect me to believe that the likelihood of it happening at a rest area or truck stop are equal to or higher than it taking place on the side of the road at night I guess I am looking at this backwards.

What you don't get, and almost everyone else in this thread does, is that what would have prevented all of this would have been for the police officers to respect and observe the rights of the citizen in question.

Seriously?

How many different times do I need to post that nothing the drivers did should have lead to the police officers to violate their rights?

How many times do have to state that for you to get it?

If they did so, both parties would have went their separate ways, after a brief encounter, and this never would've even been a thread topic.

I understand that regardless of how dangerous I believe what the drivers did their actions did not give the police permission to violate the driver's rights.

Now stop acting like you're a victim of some sort of "police bashing" mob of posters, because you're not. You're just getting called on your absurd viewpoint.

Oh wah, wah . . . . I post that a few times and suddenly I'm now the victim. Right.

 

[PainIsLIfe]

So according to legal zoom a frisk is ALWAYS justified. Sweet.

According to them as long as there is a justifiable stop it is.

 

[riddleofsteel]

I'm just going to throw this out there in hopes that it helps with the sidebar argument going on, but it looks to me like they are pulled of off the shoulder of the access road. You can see cars driving by, and it looks like they are up on the highway, across a grass median, and far away from where the van is stopped. I don't think they are just half-ass off the highway. It looks like they exited and are on the side of the access road. And on top of that, there is hardly any traffic at all. I realize the video is edited, but there are hardly any cars going by.

I think you are right, looks like an access or frontage road.

It does look like their car is still not completely out of traffic though and it seems the cops didn't care about that at all (looks like they parked the same way). So, that road probably gets little traffic.

 

[PainIsLIfe]

I think you are right, looks like an access or frontage road.

It does look like their car is still not completely out of traffic though and it seems the cops didn't care about that at all (looks like they parked the same way). So, that road probably gets little traffic.

Yeah, I wasn't sure if the highway split or it was a parallel road, but the latter seems more likely.

I believe cops are supposed to cover your car from the lane of traffic - ie. if you're 1 foot in the road they park 3 feet in.

 

[BearGrounds]

How is questioning the decision made by the drivers backwards? Why is stating that IN MY OPINION the entire situation might never had happened (notice I'm not excusing the officers at all) had they chose a different location to switch drivers. Could the exact same situation had happened at a truck stop or rest area? Sure, but if you expect me to believe that the likelihood of it happening at a rest area or truck stop are equal to or higher than it taking place on the side of the road at night I guess I am looking at this backwards.

Because it's as silly as saying if they never got up in the morning to drive that day this never would have happened. You're not focusing on when the real issue began.

And yes, you were acting like you were being the victim of a mob mentality ITT.

 

[o'dubhlaoich]

For later

 

[CubicleGangster]

LOL . . . .

those people should of never got in the car, would of avoided this whole situation.


amirite?

 

[spamking]

those people should of never got in the car, would of avoided this whole situation.


amirite?

Oh yeah . . . even better, if those darn cops had never been born . . . nobody would've ever had their rights violated.

amirite?

 

[spamking]

Because it's as silly as saying if they never got up in the morning to drive that day this never would have happened. You're not focusing on when the real issue began.

I point out that I think these people made a questionable decision and that's the equivalent to saying if only the would've left a day later, or not at all . . . none of this would've happened? Oh, and that I think they are 100% to blame?

Come on man . . .

And can any of you actually answer any of the questions I've asked?

And yes, you were acting like you were being the victim of a mob mentality ITT.

Whatever you say man . . . whatever you say.


But let me ask you something . . . would you have just pulled over anywhere to switch or would you have pulled over earlier, possibly at a apparently safer location?

 

[Kevin Rudd]

According to them as long as there is a justifiable stop it is.

Where was the justifiable stop given that the car was already stopped?

The police never pulled them over.

 

[bowened]

Oh yeah . . . even better, if those darn cops had never been born . . . nobody would've ever had their rights violated.

amirite?

At least you're being consistent with your course of reasoning.

 

[ElKarlo]

At least you're being consistent with your course of reasoning.

The guy goes down with his ship, that is for sure

 

[csroster]

I point out that I think these people made a questionable decision and that's the equivalent to saying if only the would've left a day later, or not at all . . . none of this would've happened? Oh, and that I think they are 100% to blame?

Come on man . . .

And can any of you actually answer any of the questions I've asked?



Whatever you say man . . . whatever you say.


But let me ask you something . . . would you have just pulled over anywhere to switch or would you have pulled over earlier, possibly at a apparently safer location?

Oh I get it, you're the devil's advocate right?

Lets just assume that for real life's sake that for whatever reason they pulled over when and where they did.

Now what?

 

[PainIsLIfe]

Where was the justifiable stop given that the car was already stopped?

The police never pulled them over.

I'm assuming that it means that the cops couldn't just randomly pull them over and ask the driver to get out and frisk him.

The justifiable "stop" comes because the cops noticed a car on the side of the road in the middle of the night and went to check.

I highlighted the grounds they could use for the frisk.

 

[WalkenWouldOwn]

The guy is a fucking hero IMO.

Yes he was a prick... after he was antagonized and bullied by idiot cops who think they are in charge of everyone.

And the prosecutor was just as bad as the cops. Just wants to bully the guy and gets pissy and indignant when he stands his ground. Fuck them.

 

[spamking]

Oh I get it, you're the devil's advocate right?

I guess . . .

Lets just assume that for real life's sake that for whatever reason they pulled over when and where they did.

Now what?

Now it's time for lunch . . . . or something.