Man stands up to system and wins.

[Strychnine]

You mean in the sense that, in addition to getting the charges dropped, the person of color would be looking at a huge discrimination lawsuit pay day?

No, I mean in the sense of this.

 

[csroster]

For the umpteenth time . . . there is no good reason to have a cop violate your rights. All I was saying is that the likelihood of this happening is smaller at a rest stop than at on the side of the road. That's it.

Pardon me for diverting discussion away from the rights violatin' cops . . .

I agree with that.

Now that we're all on the same page about safe driver switching procedure, what do you think about what the cops did in the video? How do you feel about the way the citizen handled it?

 

[August West]

Where did I say he did anything illegal?

Stupid maybe, but not illegal.

I'm not blaming the victim for the actions of the cops . . . I'm saying the stupid decision by the victim lead to an avoidable situation regardless of how the cops acted.

Why was it stupid? Nothing illegal about pulling over to the side of the road. Absolutely nothing stupid about pulling over to the side of the road.

Both the CDC and the NHTSA suggest pulling over immediately if you begin experiencing symptoms of drowsy driving(yawning or blinking frequently, difficulty remembering the past few miles driven, missing your exit, drifting from your lane, hitting a rumble strip).

They don't suggest "continue driving until you find a rest area or lighted gas station."

In fact, such a suggestion when one is in danger of falling asleep behind the wheel would be quite stupid.

 

[spamking]

But it wasn't stupid, and you calling that decision stupid is unfair. The only basis for it being a stupid decision is how the cops acted in regard to it. The situation would of been avoidable if the cops did their job right.

No, the basis for it being stupid is that it's not very safe to do something like that on the side of the road at night.

Do you know why they wanted to switch drivers on the shoulder instead of a rest stop?

No I do not . . . I've never driven that stretch of road.

Maybe they had a good reason. If they had a really good reason to switch drivers right away on the shoulder (wife started falling asleep at the wheel, no rest stop for miles, etc..), would you be more willing to focus on the police violating their rights than why they didn't go to a rest stop?

Maybe so. I guess I was assuming that they had and would know where the appropriate (in my mind) places to switch drivers might be located.

Obviously you don't "get it". Because I said it was an "extreme example" of your line of thinking, not that you're extreme. Reading comprehension.

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[BearGrounds]

I'm only half joking when I say I think I'd rather live in a jackboot society than one filled with pain in the ass self-serious twats like he guy that made the video.

And yet you'd not be joking at all if it were a reality.

 

[Crocswithsocks]

No, I mean in the sense of this.

So your point is white people are being beaten by the police, for being non-black? Because I'm pretty sure those are white guys.

 

[Strychnine]

This is true, he'd got a beat down for "resisting arrest", probable cause would've been DWB.

This guy gets it^^

When I was active duty and we (wife, and son) were going from California to Arkansas for a new posting, at 4pm we were in a hotel. Period. Yeah it took a long while, but I didn't get DWB'd. Daylight + traffic /witnesses tends to ward off things like that.

 

[spamking]

I agree with that.

Now that we're all on the same page about safe driver switching procedure, what do you think about what the cops did in the video? How do you feel about the way the citizen handled it?

I thought that both sides could've handled it better.

If the cops were simply doing a wellness or safety check they botched it big time.

The citizen was very restrained and was careful to push things, but not to the point of getting cuffed.

 

[August West]

No, the basis for it being stupid is that it's not very safe to do something like that on the side of the road at night.

It is a lot less safe to continue driving while in danger of falling asleep behind the wheel.

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Nothing unsafe about pulling over to the side of the road, especially given the fact that there was a wide shoulder present and no real traffic.

 

[Strychnine]

So your point is white people are being beaten by the police, for being non-black? Because I'm pretty sure those are white guys.

I don't know what kind of computer or phone you have, but I can't see the guy that's getting tooled up.

 

[spamking]

Why was it stupid? Nothing illegal about pulling over to the side of the road. Absolutely nothing stupid about pulling over to the side of the road.

I don't know if this was a two or four lane road, but yes, pulling over in the dark isn't the smartest decision. I've had friends hit and one even killed by doing this so I'll continue to feel it wasn't smart.

Both the CDC and the NHTSA suggest pulling over immediately if you begin experiencing symptoms of drowsy driving(yawning or blinking frequently, difficulty remembering the past few miles driven, missing your exit, drifting from your lane, hitting a rumble strip).

Do you think this just suddenly happens? That folks can't tell when they're getting tired?

They don't suggest "continue driving until you find a rest area or lighted gas station."

Sooooo, two lane road with no shoulder you're just gonna pull over . . . sounds safe and smart to me.

In fact, such a suggestion when one is in danger of falling asleep behind the wheel would be quite stupid.

Where did I suggest that? I suggested planning better and not waiting until your wife is bobbing her head up and down to switch so you are forced to do it in a dangerous situation.

 

[CubicleGangster]

No, the basis for it being stupid is that it's not very safe to do something like that on the side of the road at night.

And it could of been more unsafe for the wife to keep driving, maybe that's why they pulled over then. Maybe a rest stop or exit was miles away. Either way it doesn't give the cops the right to do what they did, and the guy did NOTHING wrong. Victim blaming, keep it up.

 

[Crocswithsocks]

I don't know what kind of computer or phone you have, but I can't see the guy that's getting tooled up.

Good point. So the point is regardless of your race, if you have non-black acquaintances or surround yourself with non-black people, you will get beaten?

 

[ElKarlo]

Spanning, yes the couple could have pulled over somewhere else. That doesn't excuse the police for their actions. You are a victim blamer

 

[Strychnine]

Good point. So the point is regardless of your race, if you have non-black acquaintances or surround yourself with non-black people, you will get beaten?

No.

The point is that if you're a person of color in the same situation as in the OP. It wouldn't matter if you're riding with the Pope. If you give them ANY reason in their minds, it's batter-up buttercup and you'll probably wind up needing stitches in the end. Heaven help you if you're a person of color and you ask a cop anything while they're illegally searching your vehicle.

 

[spamking]

It is a lot less safe to continue driving while in danger of falling asleep behind the wheel.

I don't disagree with that . . . I never advocated for someone doing that at all. I simply said plan better so you don't get to the point where it becomes dangerous.

[YT]Q-V0PKKgAGg[/YT]

Nothing unsafe about pulling over to the side of the road, especially given the fact that there was a wide shoulder present and no real traffic.

I still wouldn't want to do it at night . . . or doing it at night wouldn't be ideal.

 

[spamking]

Spanning, yes the couple could have pulled over somewhere else. That doesn't excuse the police for their actions. You are a victim blamer

No I'm not. I'm not excusing the actions of the police at all.

Nor did I come out and blame the victim for the actions of the police.

I said the victims could have made a different decision that most likely would've avoided this situation entirely. I'm not saying that everyone who pulls over to the shoulder at night can expect to have their rights violated.

 

[spamking]

And it could of been more unsafe for the wife to keep driving, maybe that's why they pulled over then. Maybe a rest stop or exit was miles away. Either way it doesn't give the cops the right to do what they did, and the guy did NOTHING wrong. Victim blaming, keep it up.

Disagree with my point all you want. But stop putting words in my posts that fit your position. If I'm the only one who feels that all of this could've been avoided by the victims making a different decision that's fine.

But let me be perfectly clear . . .

I'm not excusing the actions of the cops.

I'm not blaming the victims for expecting to be able to switch drivers where ever they choose, I'm saying it was a stupid decision to do it where they did it.



But you go ahead and read into that what you want . . .

 

[csroster]

No I'm not. I'm not excusing the actions of the police at all.

Nor did I come out and blame the victim for the actions of the police.

I said the victims could have made a different decision that most likely would've avoided this situation entirely. I'm not saying that everyone who pulls over to the shoulder at night can expect to have their rights violated.

But that's easy to say in hindsight.

If they had taken a different road they could have avoided it altogether. Or if they had pulled into a rest stop and this happened, we could say that they could have instead just switched drivers quickly on the shoulder and avoided the whole situation.

The entire problem is that the cops could have violated their rights no matter where they were, and we could be saying that if the victims had never been there then the situation might not have happened.

 

[spamking]

But that's easy to say in hindsight.

True.

If they had taken a different road they could have avoided it altogether. Or if they had pulled into a rest stop and this happened, we could say that they could have instead just switched drivers quickly on the shoulder and avoided the whole situation.

How likely is it that the odds of this happening at a rest stop are higher than on the side of the road?

The entire problem is that the cops could have violated their rights no matter where they were, and we could be saying that if the victims had never been there then the situation might not have happened.

Yes, the cops could have violated their rights anywhere.

You think my point of making the switch some place else is equal to the idea that if they had never been there it wouldn't have happened? Seriously?