Economy Man Dies of Asthma Attack After Inhaler Cost Jumps $500

Welcome to Trump supported death panels.
It is simple math, you cant give health care to the people and still give the Oligarchs another round of tax cuts.
Plus Trump has had 8 years and counting to put out a health care, but he keeps losing his notes on the golf course.
 
Blayt7hh said:
Oh UHG huh?

… some of you guys rethinking your position on Luigi yet?

I think they should run a story every time someone dies as a direct result healthcare delays or pharmaceutical company fuckery. Let’s talk about their kids and their parents that are left behind in the wake of their personal tragedy. Then let’s see if you still want to talk about how that CEO had kids.

Only problem with this is, it’s the only news we would see all day long.
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Disgusting.


That CEO was a law-abiding citizen operating a company according to our laws. Change the laws, don't shoot the man living in accordance with them. And even RFK made Bernie look like a halfwit when it came to this; nobody is owed a service simply because it exists. This isn't speech. The cost to develop and manufacture drugs isn't free. The cost to treat people isn't free. Nobody is entitled to care simply because they suffer a health condition. Otherwise, why not the best? Why not the absolute best health care? Why not the treatment that would cost millions or tens of millions of dollars to treat a single person? Why shouldn't everyone be entitled to that? It exists. We're capable of offering it as a species to one, so why not all?

Because if we're mad, I don't understand why the ire isn't directed at GlaxoSmithKline. That inhaler apparently contained flutocasione propianate and salmeterol. Why are these $666 without insurance? The former compound was patented in 1980, and approved for medical use in 1990; the latter patented in 1983, and also approved for medical use in 1990. These long ago recouped R&D costs. Wiki tells me that GsK has a generic on the market for the former as of 2024. The UK version of the product he was using costs $25 USD online per inhaler without health insurance.

When do we schedule the mass execution of their board? Also, what conditions must be treated, and how many do we shoot if they don't obligate themselves to labor their lives away to guarantee this treatment for others? What about Type 2 Diabetes? Oh, not fat people, okay. Only congenital conditions then? No better. After all, that's all this mindset entails; a form of slavery wherein you involuntarily spread the burden of alleviating debilitating health conditions for people born with them to people who weren't. We all must suffer because the natural world is unkind, and some of us misfortunate.
 
44nutman said:
Welcome to Trump supported death panels.
It is simple math, you cant give health care to the people and still give the Oligarchs another round of tax cuts.
Plus Trump has had 8 years and counting to put out a health care, but he keeps losing his notes on the golf course.
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Trump was the president on 1/10/2024?
 
ColemanwastheGOAT said:
Why does the inhaler cost $500?
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The steroid is very expensive. Even meds like Flovent are pricey. It’s something with that part, I’ve never gotten a good answer. His rescue Albuterol should’ve held him over and you can’t take advair for an exacerbation anyway. Taking it can reduce the number of exacerbations. Once you’re flared up though you typically needs oral steroids, which are under ten bucks.
 
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Madmick said:
Disgusting.


Tha tCEO was a law-abiding citizen operating a company according to our laws. Change the laws, don't shoot the man living in accordance with them. And even RFK made Bernie look like a halfwit when it came to this; nobody is owed a service simply because it exists. This isn't speech. The cost to develop and manufactured drugs isn't free. The cost to treat people isn't free. Nobody is entitled to care simply because they suffer a health condition. Otherwise, why not the best? Why not the absolute best health care? Why not the treatment that would cost millions or tens of millions of dollars to treat a single person? Why shouldn't everyone be entitled to that? It exists. We're capable of offering it as a species to one, so why not all?

Because if we're mad, I don't understand why the ire isn't directed at GlaxoSmithKline. That inhaler apparently contained flutocasione propianate and salmeterol. Why are these $666 without insurance? The former compound was patented in 1980, and approved for medical use in 1990; the latter patented in 1983, and also approved for medical use in 1990. These long ago recouped R&D costs. Wiki tells me the GsK has a generic on the market for the former as of 2024. The UK version of the product he was using costs $25 USD online per inhaler without health insurance.

When do we schedule the mass execution of their board? Also, what conditions must be treated, and how many do we shoot if they don't obligate themselves to labor their lives away to guarantee this treatment for others? What about Type 2 Diabetes? Oh, not fat people, okay. Only congenital conditions then? No better. After all, that's all this mindset entails; a form of slavery wherein you involuntarily spread the burden of alleviating debilitating health conditions for people born with them to people who weren't. We all must suffer because the natural world is unkind, and some of us misfortunate.
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Bro is this seriously your post? A bunch of strawman nonsense?

I’m not going to address most of it, such as that dumb shit about other animals being entitled to healthcare. I’m going to stop you right at your first bullshit misdirect, which is saying that people aren’t entitled to healthcare. This is not about universal healthcare. This is about people who have healthcare and those companies seeking ways to not uphold their end of the bargain. Btw, you wrote a whole ass paragraph asking why I’m not made at pharmaceutical companies when I quite literally included them in the post you quoted. That just deserves a golf clap for how bad a whiff your response is

So I’ll let you get a chance to get back on topic and try again.
 
Good thing Trump and Elon are focusing on the most important things like what the Gulf of Mexico is called and the 12 trans athletes stealing 4th place.
 
Blayt7hh said:
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Bro is this seriously your post? A bunch of strawman nonsense?

I’m not going to address most of it, such as that dumb shit about other animals being entitled to healthcare. I’m going to stop you right at your first bullshit misdirect, which is saying that people aren’t entitled to healthcare. This is not about universal healthcare. This is about people who have healthcare and those companies seeking ways to not uphold their end of the bargain. Btw, you wrote a whole ass paragraph asking why I’m not made at pharmaceutical companies when I quite literally included them in the post you quoted. That just deserves a golf clap for how bad a whiff your response is

So I’ll let you get a chance to get back on topic and try again.
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"Other animals"? Who said anything about treating animals? My post had nothing to do with veterinary care. Read it again. You clearly didn't comprehend it.

Companies "not holding up their end of the bargain"? What was the "bargain"?
 
Madmick said:
"Other animals"? Who said anything about treating animals? My post had nothing to do with veterinary care. Read it again. You clearly didn't comprehend it.

Companies "not holding up their end of the bargain"? What was the "bargain"?
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You asking me to explain health insurance to you? I’ll let you google that one.

As usual you’re just trying to drag this down into pedantry because you think that that is what makes a good argument. Sorry you missed the first thread, but this CEO in question was responsible for some pretty terrible decision that hurt a lot of people. People that he entered a bargain with to take care of when they got sick. Sounds like you’re completely uneducated on the subject so maybe do your research.
 
I love when people with the IQ of a tube of toothpaste talk about how what's being done is legal, therefore okay. Hitler broke no laws in Nazi Germany. Slavery was legal in the US. Most of the most reprehensible acts in human history were done with the backing of the law. It does not make it acceptable in any way, shape, or form
 
Mr Holmes said:
Don't ask @44nutman to think before he posts.
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Trump ended lower drug costs with an executive. The father of the Covid Vaccine with operation Warp Speed is in the pocket of Big Pharma. I wonder if Trump and Fauci run into each other when they cash their Pfizer checks.
 
This is the lawsuit BTW. I had to click on like 10 different copy pasted news articles before finally finding a non-copy pasted one that cited their source. Such high-energy "journalism" these days.

The TLDR: The PBM changed their rooster of covered drugs. They started covering different asthma inhalers from companies that had given them kickbacks, and no longer covering the one this guy was using. They also required their clients to try the new brands for a certain period of time before being allowed to use the one their doctor prescribed. On the lawsuit it mentions that Wisconsin law permits pharmacists to fill the prescription with a generic without requiring prescriber approval. However the dead guy's PBM required pre-authorization to cover the cost of the generic because the user is "supposed" to be trying the other drugs that the PBM gets kickbacks for. Apparently the generic Wixela also costs a lot out of pocket, so the PBM not covering it is also a problem. However the suit alleges that Walgreens told him that generics for this drug don't exist, so obviously didn't offer him or tell him of other pharmacies that could have had it in stock.

He could have probably fixed it by calling his doctor continuously until they answered and prescribed him one of the covered alternatives, or checked GoodRX, called other pharmacies, etc. Basically if he had been more proactive. 22-year-old guy probably thought he was invicible, that it wasn't going to get that bad, etc. The lawsuit is legit though, it does look like negligence on both Walgreens + PBMs side.
 
Renard said:
This is the lawsuit BTW. I had to click on like 10 different copy pasted news articles before finally finding a non-copy pasted one that cited their source. Such high-energy "journalism" these days.

The TLDR: The PBM changed their rooster of covered drugs. They started covering different asthma inhalers from companies that had given them kickbacks, and no longer covering the one this guy was using. They also required their clients to try the new brands for a certain period of time before being allowed to use the one their doctor prescribed. On the lawsuit it mentions that Wisconsin law permits pharmacists to fill the prescription with a generic without requiring prescriber approval. However the dead guy's PBM required pre-authorization to cover the cost of the generic because the user is "supposed" to be trying the other drugs that the PBM gets kickbacks for. Apparently the generic Wixela also costs a lot out of pocket, so the PBM not covering it is also a problem. However the suit alleges that Walgreens told him that generics for this drug don't exist, so obviously didn't offer him or tell him of other pharmacies that could have had it in stock.

He could have probably fixed it by calling his doctor continuously until they answered and prescribed him one of the covered alternatives, or checked GoodRX, called other pharmacies, etc. Basically if he had been more proactive. 22-year-old guy probably thought he was invicible, that it wasn't going to get that bad, etc. The lawsuit is legit though, it does look like negligence on both Walgreens + PBMs side.
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That’s the American healthcare system. It’s collusion between insurance companies and pharmaceutical companies. Might as well just get rid of doctors and let them do that work too.
 
44nutman said:
Trump ended lower drug costs with an executive. The father of the Covid Vaccine with operation Warp Speed is in the pocket of Big Pharma. I wonder if Trump and Fauci run into each other when they cash their Pfizer checks.
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Reported for off topic thread derailment.
 
UberHere said:
Huge problem. I have plenty of patients with asthma and COPD that need daily maintenance inhalers and all they can afford are those POS rescue inhalers with albuterol.

I’ve even had to fill out prior authorizations due insurance companies over nebulizer medicine to try and keep people out of the hospital. Who decided putting prior auths on breathing medicine was a good fucking idea?

Anyway that kid should’ve went to the ER. Breathing is more important than any bills he’d have gotten.
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If I had severe, life-threatening asthma that could flare up any time I'd certainly purchase a bag valve mask to keep around in case my inhaler had a technical problem or wasn't around or became too expensive.

Have you ever seen someone take this preventative step? Looks like an adult, non-disposable one is $350 on AED Superstore. I wouldn't fuck around with the possibility of not being able to breathe and I find it unfathomable that anyone would be so blasé about such a condition.

For those wondering what a BVG is (I had to look up the name of it):

en.m.wikipedia.org

Bag valve mask - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org en.m.wikipedia.org
 
Gutter Chris said:
Also bushes America, Obama America, trumps and bidens ....this getting fucked on inhalers and having asthma isn't new.
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The craziest thing ever is the patent for Insulin was given away for free by the guy who developed it.
Drug companies are such fucking scumbags, they constantly tweak the insulin drug, and put it out at a higher price because they don't give a fuck if some people die, as long as they profit. They got inhalers changed because they decided to pretend to care about the environment so they could put out new inhalers, make tons of money before it was eligible for generics.
That is why when the media was pearl clutching over people cheering Luigi, I was like when you make millions to tell lies in front of a camera, you will never understand what it's like to have to scrape, pick up 2nd jobs or even skip a couple doses just because you can not afford medicine, because Big Pharma has rigged the system. If those talking heads ever had to live like that, they would have been cheering on Luigi as well.
 
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