Make up your mind: Either colby is really Good or usman shouldn't be p4p number 1

[Cooliox]

Look, I’m a Masvidal fan but he’s not “decorated.” Fighting in a bunch of different orgs doesn’t make you decorated. Masvidal has never won a title in any major org. Masvidal right now is not an elite, in-prime WW. His WW record shows a clear ceiling.

Seriously?

Only a champion is "decorated"?

Does that only apply to mma? Because in other pro sports you don't have to win a championship to be highly decorated.

You guys don't understand what it means to remain in the top tier for 20 years.

A lot of fighters come and go. Hell, even Barao who was a dominant champion, faded into oblivion. BJ Penn as well.

It's mostly people who never competed in sports on ANY level who shit on people in the top 10, or shit on the runner up.

If you were a sportsman, an athlete, you would know that along the road there were guys or teams that you simply couldn't beat no matter what, even on your best day. Sometimes, you were competing with others to be SECOND.

I have a bunch of bronze medals on the wall as well, next to the Golds and Silver.

Some events, I was never going to win. I celebrated bronze. Hell, I celebrated just being chosen to compete in the Finals, or for the school team, or just training with the national team...

You guys who have the cahones to shit on a pro like Masvidal, or say that he is "not decorated" despite fighting elites for 2 decades... Usually have NOTHING in your trophy cabinet.

Hell, you probably don't even HAVE a trophy cabinet. You won nothing even in a neighborhood level, let alone school level or college level - city level, state level, national level, or WORLD CLASS LEVEL.

So best not to say such silly things bro.

 

[BFoe]

because his record is a spitting image of the champ besides just burns. So if usmans record warrents him being p4p number one in the entire sport colby must EASILY be number 2 welterweight with such a similar record.

Leon Edwards? Even Moraes, Strickland… I mean, Colby *could* be #2. But with P4P it’s not just record but (perceived) ability. Usman is more well-rounded than Colby, his striking is quite a bit better. I think his wrestling is better too.

 

[BFoe]

Seriously?

Only a champion is "decorated"?

Does that only apply to mma? Because in other pro sports you don't have to win a championship to be highly decorated.

You guys don't understand what it means to remain in the top tier for 20 years.

A lot of fighters come and go. Hell, even Barao who was a dominant champion, faded into oblivion. BJ Penn as well.

It's mostly people who never competed in sports on ANY level who shit on people in the top 10, or shit on the runner up.

If you were a sportsman, an athlete, you would know that along the road there were guys or teams that you simply couldn't beat no matter what, even on your best day. Sometimes, you were competing with others to be SECOND.

I have a bunch of bronze medals on the wall as well, next to the Golds and Silver.

Some events, I was never going to win. I celebrated bronze. Hell, I celebrated just being chosen to compete in the Finals, or for the school team, or just training with the national team...

You guys who have the cahones to shit on a pro like Masvidal, or say that he is "not decorated" despite fighting elites for 2 decades... Usually have NOTHING in your trophy cabinet.

Hell, you probably don't even HAVE a trophy cabinet. You won nothing even in a neighborhood level, let alone school level or college level - city level, state level, national level, or WORLD CLASS LEVEL.

So best not to say such silly things bro.

Yes, seriously. If MMA gave medals for 2nd and 3rd place like the Olympics or Pan Am Games then someone could be decorated like Rousey or Couture.
But it doesn’t.

And I’m not shitting on Masvidal, I’m a Masvidal fan.
I’m simply stating facts.
He’s. Not. Decorated.
What is he decorated with?? What medals, what titles, what belts? He won the AFC WW belt for whatever that’s worth, and that’s it unless you feel like counting the BMF “belt.”
He’s a very good fighter, and multi time title challenger. But since he never won those title fights, he’s not decorated.

 

[Guld]

P4P stuff is silly.

Usman is legit
Colby is decent
Jorge had a brief peak, but is otherwise kinda "meh"

Usman may be the best WW right now, but it's hard to tell because those three idiots have been only fighting themselves for years.
Usman did venture out and face another former teammate (former LW) with Burns and almost lost his title.
I don't think Colby is top 5 WW. I don't think he ever truly was. He may not even be top 10 right now, but he'll be able to maintain his rank by picking and choosing fights for a while. Similar to what Usman has been doing.
That clique's time is almost up though, and when we get that log jam out of the division I think it's going to be a pretty exciting time.

 

[r-harper-1]

I don’t think we know if he’s 2nd best. My general take on the thread question is:

• I’m cool with Usman as P4P #1. Petr Yan is another good choice.
• Colby is clearly not a bad fighter, but also has never beaten an elite WW in their prime. Let’s see him against Luque. Or Burns. That would make it easier to see where Colby stands.
• Why does Colby giving Usman tough/competitive fits automatically make him 2nd best? Is it not possible that Colby is simply a good fighter who is a particularly bad stylistic matchup for Usman, since he can negate a lot of Usman’s wrestling?

I agree for the most part …..But feel Like Colby dominating Masvidal is still better then anything Edwards , Luque and Burns has done …..Definitely want to see Colby against , Luque , Burns or Edwards next ……But I wouldn’t be surprised if Colby sits out waiting for a favourable matchup

 

[Gamer2k4]

Masvidal was a 155lber for a long long time, and same with Burns. Reminds me of everyone talking about how Jon Jones' competition was amazing when he was beating up small LHW's and former MW fighters predominantly.

Which "small LHWs" were those? Almost everyone Jones fought was or became a heavyweight at some point, so why don't we get to frame it that way? The only exceptions since 2009 were Reyes, Santos, Smith, Teixeira, Rua, and Bonnar. And if you want to say "well maybe guys like Evans and OSP didn't belong at heavyweight," well, maybe Smith and Santos shouldn't didn't belong at middleweight.

Bottom line is, if you're 205 at the weigh-ins (or 206.2 in some cases), you're a light heavyweight. End of story.

 

[BFoe]

I agree for the most part …..But feel Like Colby dominating Masvidal is still better then anything Edwards , Luque and Burns has done …..Definitely want to see Colby against , Luque , Burns or Edwards next ……But I wouldn’t be surprised if Colby sits out waiting for a favourable matchup

I think Burns’ win over Wonderboy is probably better than Colby’s win over Masvidal. You’re probably right though that Colby’s win over Mas is better than anything Luque has currently. That’s fair.
Agree that Colby is going to try and get a favorable matchup. Will be interesting to see who they book him against next.

 

[TheWave111]

Colby the duck machine who avoids real contenders.

He picked Woodley with 2 losses after the Usman fight. He refused to fight any other fighter.
The WW is a joke.

 

[mspin]

I love how people forget Usman took his last fight with a broken hand.

A FRICKEN BROKEN RIGHT HAND!!!

Otherwise he would have slept that filthy supplicant again and you know it.

Usman. Undeniable P4P#1. Deal with it.

 

[Darkavius]

Seriously?

Only a champion is "decorated"?

Does that only apply to mma? Because in other pro sports you don't have to win a championship to be highly decorated.

You guys don't understand what it means to remain in the top tier for 20 years.

A lot of fighters come and go. Hell, even Barao who was a dominant champion, faded into oblivion. BJ Penn as well.

Your two examples are Barao and Penn? Both people who won UFC Gold? I don't think those examples work. BFoe is right. Jorge is not decorated. He's well-known and popular in MMA but he is not decorated. Look at his resume. His best wins are against Till, Edwards and Chiesa, but when it matters most he fails. I put him now more in the Demian Maia, Joseph Benavidez category. Great name for MMA but not decorated and cannot win when it matters most.

 

[Dirty Frank]

Usman is champ and has defended his belt multiple times. Also on a historic streak currently unmatched by any active fighter on the roster.
P4P ranking is just about right

 

[Cooliox]

Yes, seriously. If MMA gave medals for 2nd and 3rd place like the Olympics or Pan Am Games then someone could be decorated like Rousey or Couture.
But it doesn’t.

And I’m not shitting on Masvidal, I’m a Masvidal fan.
I’m simply stating facts.
He’s. Not. Decorated.
What is he decorated with?? What medals, what titles, what belts? He won the AFC WW belt for whatever that’s worth, and that’s it unless you feel like counting the BMF “belt.”
He’s a very good fighter, and multi time title challenger. But since he never won those title fights, he’s not decorated.

HAH. Hilarious


What I said was true, wasn't it. You never competed in anything have you? That's why you feel that only the champion is 'decorated'.

Just being a MAIN-EVENT fighter on a UFC PPV is a tremendous credit.

anyways, I'm done with this conversation. you newer fans keep with your video game logic, and leave sports for the real men

 

[RockyLockridge]

Colby the duck machine who avoids real contenders.

He picked Woodley with 2 losses after the Usman fight. He refused to fight any other fighter.
The WW is a joke.

Dont be stupid, Colby had been trying to get his hands on woodley forever, woodley ducked him and colby fought for an interim title. After that, woodley tried to con him into the quick turn around after just fighting RDA and colby couldn't make it so woodley went with the till fight. Woodley had been avoiding colby for quite some time, and even suggested fighting nate diaz instead of colby after colby beat maia. Just facts, Woodley ran out of places to hid from colby. colby did not wait for him to lose.

 

[BFoe]

HAH. Hilarious


What I said was true, wasn't it. You never competed in anything have you? That's why you feel that only the champion is 'decorated'.

Just being a MAIN-EVENT fighter on a UFC PPV is a tremendous credit.

anyways, I'm done with this conversation. you newer fans keep with your video game logic, and leave sports for the real men

Lmao at “newer fans.”

Being a main event fighter is great. Fighting elite competition for years is also awesome. But that doesn’t make him decorated.

Dan Henderson is decorated, because he’s a PRIDE WW and PRIDE MW champ as well as a Strikeforce LHW champ.

Fedor is decorated because he’s a RINGS Openweight Champ, RINGS 2000 Absolute Class tournament champ, RINGS 2001 Absolute Class Tournament Champ, PRIDE GP champ, PRIDE HW champ, and WAMMA HW champ.

Overeem is decorated because he’s a Strikeforce, and DREAM HW champ (plus the K1 title if you are counting that).

See how this works? In many team sports, you may have some sort of title for coming in 2nd: an Eastern Conference championship, NFC/AFC championship, etc. For most professional combat sports, that’s not the case. MMA, boxing, kickboxing…if a challenger (i.e., someone not holding a belt or title of their own) fights the champ and loses, they aren’t decorated.

What is it that Masvidal is decorated with?
“Duhhhh, bUt hE fOuGhT iN a MaIn eVeNt…”

Titles. Championships. That is what makes one decorated. So name Masvidal’s, or STFU.

 

[TheWave111]

Dont be stupid, Colby had been trying to get his hands on woodley forever, woodley ducked him and colby fought for an interim title. After that, woodley tried to con him into the quick turn around after just fighting RDA and colby couldn't make it so woodley went with the till fight. Woodley had been avoiding colby for quite some time, and even suggested fighting nate diaz instead of colby after colby beat maia. Just facts, Woodley ran out of places to hid from colby. colby did not wait for him to lose.

Covington ducked Woodley and got stripped.
He needed more time and even faked a nasal surgery as excuse.
The UFC stripped him for his games.
He had an interim title but was not willing to step up.

 

[Cowboy Kurt Angle]

P4p means nothing

 

[Morning Star]

The thing is Usman has wins over not just Colby. He's got wins over Burns, Edwards, Colby, and Jorge. All top 6 right now. Colby hasn't beaten anyone in the current top 5. I don't think anyone is arguing he's garbage, just that he's not proven because he keeps fighting geezers on the way out and favorable matchups.

 

[Flboycanscrap2]

Colby IS really good, but Volk is p4p #1

 

[RockyLockridge]

Covington ducked Woodley and got stripped.
He needed more time and even faked a nasal surgery as excuse.
The UFC stripped him for his games.
He had an interim title but was not willing to step up.

You're a moron and you recollection of the situation could not be any more inaccurate.

I literally watched tyron woodley say colby doesn't deserve a title shot, then offer nate diaz a title shot in the same breath. The the second Colby is ready for a shot he all of a sudden needs shoulder surgery. (via UFC tonight) then comes the interim title fight colby fought RDA and of course woodley is ready exactly 3 months after that, Which is not enough time to prepare for another title fight especially when you probably shouldn't be training for a atleast a few weeks after a 5 round fight. Woodley knew this and planned it. It's obvious.

 

[RockyLockridge]

The thing is Usman has wins over not just Colby. He's got wins over Burns, Edwards, Colby, and Jorge. All top 6 right now. Colby hasn't beaten anyone in the current top 5. I don't think anyone is arguing he's garbage, just that he's not proven because he keeps fighting geezers on the way out and favorable matchups.

So he hasn't fought edwards and burns.

Who have edwards and burns beaten that makes them such good wins?

New flash: Edwards only top 10 win is luque and this was ages before he was ranked. Almost 5 years ago. Burns has Wonderboy. why is it expect that colby should have fought all of them by now?