Make up your mind: Either colby is really Good or usman shouldn't be p4p number 1

[RockyLockridge]

Usman isn't p4p number 1

And

Colby isn't that great...

Tell me differently...anyone...everyone.

Well, here it is. reason seems to be "deal with it."

Colby would beat everyone at 170 except Usman. He’s elite AF and Usman is P4P #1. Deal with it.

Like I said to you before I’m ready for a shake up and new rankings in the WW division. It’s time for a change. I’m ready for new fights and the new blood to take over the division


The closed loop of Masvidal Usman and Colby needs to end. I’m even ready for a new champion even though I like Usman and think he’s a great fighter.

I couldn't agree more. It'll just take time. give it a year.

 

[Athlas]

Thanks for making this thread, insane how many people say "usman is p4p #1" and then go on to say "colby sucks and would lose to everybody in the top 10" the ignorance is insane

The Colby wins does not define Usman's career. Remove Colby from Usman's record and Usman' record is still outstanding.

 

[SouthpawSouthernFist]

volkanovski & adesanya > usman

Volk lost to Max that second fight (according to my card), and almost got choked out by T-city, the same guy Max fragged. He is not P4p number one.

 

[Paolo Delutis]

Well, here it is. reason seems to be "deal with it."







I couldn't agree more. It'll just take time. give it a year.

Hey im just saying how i see it...

So far nobody's been able to convince me differently

 

[RockyLockridge]

The Colby wins does not define Usman's career. Remove Colby from Usman's record and Usman' record is still outstanding.

Nah, I'd not agree with this. his record is very very bland without the colby wins, of course they'd be theoretically replaced with someone else. but those are EASILY his career defining wins. you could argue woodley but his recent.... lets call them "blunders" have shrouded his fighting prowess in obscurity.

Volk lost to Max that second fight (according to my card), and almost got choked out by T-city, the same guy Max fragged. He is not P4p number one.

1. Your scorecard belongs in a trash can
2. The fact he got out of that choke shows he has the true heart of a champion and an unrelenting desire to win, a trait befitting of the best fighter in the world. no one says anderson wasn't the p4p best because he ALMOST lost an entire fight against sonnen. it's because despite that adversity, he won, that's why he was the best.

 

[KantoTerror]

Volk has been wrecking contenders like Usman...I'd say.
Usman and Volk are arguable...2nd would be Izzy. Not that MW is shallow but FW and WW have good contenders.

 

[Athlas]

Izzy or Usman or Yan are the pound for pound best.

Colby is the 2nd best WW.

Usman is pfp number.
Covington is not the 2nd Welterweight.

 

[kingmob6]

Hazmat needs to shake up the WW division, it needs some juice

 

[RedBrickCigarette]

The Colby wins does not define Usman's career. Remove Colby from Usman's record and Usman' record is still outstanding.

Idk what that has to do with anything. also, colby is usmans best win. Who is better??

 

[RockyLockridge]

Volk has been wrecking contenders like Usman...I'd say.
Usman and Volk are arguable...2nd would be Izzy. Not that MW is shallow but FW and WW have good contenders.

You're nuts! mw has better contenders than ww. Costa vettori Whittaker and cannonier are all great contenders. As opposed to colby burns masvidal and Edwards? That's a landslide if you ask me

 

[Pancake Sprawl]

i think Colby is good but i don't think Usman is p4p #1

 

[AL-Tappo McSnappo]

You have to choose. you can't say Colby isn't that good. while calling Usman P4P number 1. I find that a lot of posters have the idea that colby isn't all that after how easily he handled masvidal. It's understandable though, Masvidal himself is definitely not what he's been hyped up to be despite being an above average fighter himself.

Usman has been stellar as of late. A breath of fresh air to have a champion that defends often and is active. However he has only face 3 opponents in the last 3 years. Colby, Burns and Masvidal. before that, Maia, RDA and Tyron. This leaves his record eerily similar to Colby which many seem to be on the fence about his status as the definitive number 2 welterweights.

Personally, I've come to grips with the fact that Colby's competition as of late is less than stellar at WW, And by extension so is Usman's, since they are very similar.

I personally think it's bat shit insane that Usman is considered p4p number 1 in the sport (should be Volk or Izzy) Colby is Usman's best win x2, and I think generally most will agree with that.


So my mind has been made up.

Usman is the definitive number 1 welterweight, Colby is number 2. but Usman's resume isn't strong enough to be P4P number 1. and this is not "in light" of Colby's victory over Masvidal. this is just a general statement that Usman's record is really not THAT strong and neither is Colby's. I can't say that Usman's record is the strongest in the sport currently. I wouldn't call him p4p no.1.

I know P4P is some fantasy shit, but being no.1 generally means something. it means this is the best fighter in the sport overall currently. I really don't think it's Usman, nor should it have been Colby, Had Colby had been the one to beat Usman twice.

Belal beats Colby, Burns beats Colby, Luque beats Colby, he is trash.

 

[RockyLockridge]

Belal beats Colby, Burns beats Colby, Luque beats Colby, he is trash.

Okay so I'll put you down for Usman shouldn't be number one p4p because colby is trash with virtually the exact same resume. Got it.

 

[Pancake Sprawl]

if i had to put a p4p on a champion i think it's Adesanya.

 

[AL-Tappo McSnappo]

Okay so I'll put you down for Usman shouldn't be number one p4p because colby is trash with virtually the exact same resume. Got it.

No, Usman is not the P4P 1

 

[RockyLockridge]

No, Usman is not the P4P 1

Im glad your opinion about p4p number one is consistent with your opinion on colby's career. some posters are having a hard time with this. if you think that colby is overrated that's okay. it just has to mean usman probably is too, because CLEARLY, that's his best win. that's all.

 

[KAZSoliloquy]

Volk lost to Max that second fight (according to my card), and almost got choked out by T-city, the same guy Max fragged. He is not P4p number one.

volkanovski nearly beat ortega to death lol one of the most one-sided title fights of the last decade. you’re delusional

 

[Mohawk Banditó]

Performance vs accomplishment.

Colby is really good based on his performances whooping mostly irrelevant people and challenging Usman, but we can't teally narrow down how good as long he has continued to call for undeserved title shots and avoid real contenders.

On the flip, Usman's abilities have really widened over the years and his accomplishments are really driving the idea that he's P4P best, but given some holes and weaknesses in the performance of those accomplishments, I'm not signing off on that. He's getting really good results in impressive ways after getting hurt a few times and recycling opponents.

 

[EnthusiastCultivator]

Colby would beat everyone at 170 except Usman. He’s elite AF and Usman is P4P #1. Deal with it.

That’s why he’s so keen on taking on ranked fighters on winning streaks? Oh wait...that doesn’t appear to be the case. It’s pathetic that a top 5 guy calls out a LW fighter coming of a loss.

 

[richardjohnson]

I've never said Colby isn't good, I just think he's done a good job at avoiding contenders within the division and based on the Poirier call out it doesn't seem like that is going to change anytime soon. He's obviously a very good fighter and is tough as nails but I think a guy like Luque has all the skills to beat Colby. I just hope we get the opportunity to see.