Social Main purpose of humans is to work

Your Account said:
If you want to a part of the todays society,
you have to be employed and leave majority of your lifetime to some employer.
Why ? Is there another way to live ? Can we just have some small modest house and have everything in our own yard, like fruits , vegetables, etc ?
Are banks, taxes, credits, law, politics, profit, etc, necesary for us to survive and progress as society , whats the alternative `?
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You sound poor.
 
nonoob said:
bb, that statement says you probably weren't in your teens in the US in the 1970's. The 80's Rocked, way before POS "men" were NEVER identified as women !
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Probably for a white male born in the upper class. Not for anyone else. Males identifying as women doesn't actually affect 99.9% of people. This is a wedge issue politicians on both sides use to lure people into voting against their economic interests.
 
moreorless87 said:
Its not really the idea of work that I'm speaking against their but rather the idea that we end up actually doing much more work than we need to for little material gain, basically David Graebers "Bullshit Jobs".

We've seen massive increases in working efficacy over the last 200 years yet were still working full time. The argument against that tends to be that we chose to carry on working to earn more but I think that is questionable, really a lot of the time people spend working ends up being on useless busy tasks which create little or nothing.

A big issue with primitivism I'd say is simply that our population has expanded well beyond the capacity for the earth to sustain it. There are actually arguments for example that hunter gathers led quite pleasant lives in some respects compared to latter generations, worked less and were better fed than the arable communities which replaced them. The difference being that arable farming and the more advanced society which comes with it can sustain much larger populations and indeed can wage war on hunter gathers much better.
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The path to supporting less work for your average worker is to endorse workers rights, unions, increased minimum wage, paid time off, sick leave, etc. as much as possible. Fantasies about going off the grid are not realistic and do nothing for your fellow worker. Next time you're at the voting booth, vote for the working class candidate. The last 40 years have been nothing but neoliberal policy. It's time to take the workplace back.
 
blaseblase said:
The path to supporting less work for your average worker is to endorse workers rights, unions, increased minimum wage, paid time off, sick leave, etc. as much as possible. Fantasies about going off the grid are not realistic and do nothing for your fellow worker. Next time you're at the voting booth, vote for the working class candidate. The last 40 years have been nothing but neoliberal policy. It's time to take the workplace back.
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What working class candidate?
 
blaseblase said:
The path to supporting less work for your average worker is to endorse workers rights, unions, increased minimum wage, paid time off, sick leave, etc. as much as possible. Fantasies about going off the grid are not realistic and do nothing for your fellow worker. Next time you're at the voting booth, vote for the working class candidate. The last 40 years have been nothing but neoliberal policy. It's time to take the workplace back.
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Really what I'm talking about would be more the "cult of work", the idea that work in itself is virtuous not that the fruits of work are virtuous, that a farmer who works 50 hours a week but producers the same as a farmer who works 20 hours a week with the same resources is more virtuous.Thats something I think you could argue extends across a lot of the political sphere.

Perhaps more importantly in the modern world we have vast amounts of admin/middle management jobs were its very questionable whether they actually produce anything. The idea basically our economies are not nearly so efficient as we get told, the idea for example that "busy work" exists to keep the population political unengaged and less likely to revolt AND that you end up with a management culture really running things not one maximising profit. The idea of a manager/ceo class who like the idea of having lots of flunkies even if they don't really need them and that this actually becomes a massive part of how economies are organised rather than maximising efficiency.
 
I went through a phase where I believed The Venus Project could work

RIP Jacque Fresco

As it turns out, it's the religious people that get things done
 
For those that are familiar with the Deagel population projections that came out like 15 years ago.. It said in the year 2025 there is going to be a massive drop in the world's population. Billions less humans are projected to ge on Earth somehow.
 
blaseblase said:
The path to supporting less work for your average worker is to endorse workers rights, unions, increased minimum wage, paid time off, sick leave, etc. as much as possible. Fantasies about going off the grid are not realistic and do nothing for your fellow worker. Next time you're at the voting booth, vote for the working class candidate. The last 40 years have been nothing but neoliberal policy. It's time to take the workplace back.
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Yeah, we've reached a point where we can easily work 25 hours a week and keep the quality of life we have now. Bernie Sanders has formally proposed a 32-hour work week and this is in the US, the most capitalist country in the world.

People hate work because the vast, vast majority have to take orders and don't have any power in their organization's decision making. Studies have shown that the more autonomy workers have, the more satisfied they are.

On the extreme side of this is Mondragon, which is a huge worker-owned and worker-controlled company in Spain. This model could easily be applied in most places.

www.csmonitor.com

In this Spanish town, capitalism actually works for the workers

Mondragón, Spain, is the home of an innovative cooperative that uses capitalism to provide a different and more equitable vision of economic success.
www.csmonitor.com www.csmonitor.com
 
moreorless87 said:
Really what I'm talking about would be more the "cult of work", the idea that work in itself is virtuous not that the fruits of work are virtuous, that a farmer who works 50 hours a week but producers the same as a farmer who works 20 hours a week with the same resources is more virtuous.Thats something I think you could argue extends across a lot of the political sphere.
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I don't think that's a thing in today's society. Unless the farmer working 50 hours a week is completely inept. I think this concept probably applies to office workers far more than farmers. There are tons of office jobs where you can get away with doing less. Farming though? You get what you put into it.
 
blaseblase said:
Probably for a white male born in the upper class. Not for anyone else. Males identifying as women doesn't actually affect 99.9% of people. This is a wedge issue politicians on both sides use to lure people into voting against their economic interests.
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Never been around "white upper class".
Life my way was fun AF and simple. Worked hard, Every Day, and there was no crying about supremacy, or the BS of daily oppression.

People of all races that worked enjoyed life the lives they earned. Lazy people didn't expect free everything, unlike the worthless phux today that complain "No one wants to pay for me & my kids to live for free without me ever one time working".
 
Survive is the key word...
now a days no one has their survival threatened...

devolution
 
everyone has to work, but not everyone has to work through the system. if you're knowledgeable and have land, you can produce most food you'll ever need, of course assuming there's enough water, etc. i think people are tired of having to live their lives through the same M-F, 8-5, system. living this lifestyle for the majority of your life kills your spirit. routine destroys excitement in your life.

a simple example to do this, is to have a well on your property. find out which fruits and vegetables grow best in your area, and start doing that. that's just one among i'm sure many more examples.
 
Your Account said:
If you want to a part of the todays society,
you have to be employed and leave majority of your lifetime to some employer.
Why ? Is there another way to live ? Can we just have some small modest house and have everything in our own yard, like fruits , vegetables, etc ?
Are banks, taxes, credits, law, politics, profit, etc, necesary for us to survive and progress as society , whats the alternative `?
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why? because someone said so. The industrial age started it big time. If you want to live another way, it would be a lot of hassles as well as learning a lot of things that we aren't taught. We're dependent on our systems in so many ways.

I've seriously thought of just going to my ancestral homeland and just living off the land. I'd have to learn to gather my own food, I'd also have to most likely barter with a lot of chronic alcoholics (natives) who still know how to do all these things but I hate dealing with drunks. No easy way I'm afraid.
 
Dobymick said:
You work less in a normal job than what you would have to work to keep yourself alive off grid

Everything has to "work" to survive in this world. Also you don't always need to work for someone else you can be your own boss doing a trade or something
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I also thought that people had to work hard to survive in hunter gatherer societies, but I took an anthro class where they said it generally only took a few hours a day. I guess hunter gatherers don't have to show up like a job to survive in most cases. Our ancestors had the better deal in my opinion, I hate dealing with the constant bickering and picking at of not only the job place but how it has warped all or our relationships, with everyone trying to be the big boss.
 
You can go live like a hermit in the woods, but just know that when those hermit rapers come to rape you, you can't call the police.

Fortunately, I protect hermits from hermit-rape. So just give me the coordinates to your new home and I'll come protect you.
 
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