MAGIC: The :eek::eek::eek::eek:philing

How expensive is an evaluation? How effective is it? How available are they?

I played MTG for a very long time, and played a lot of serious tournaments, where, not surprisingly, there were not really a lot of kids. Interaction with judges was fairly limited. You'd have a problem, raise your hand, the judge would come over, make a decision, and leave.

I also played a lot of FMNs (Friday Night Magic) in shops, where you'd get a LOT more younger players. I played less and less of those because I'm really competitive and never liked curb stomping little kids who just wanted to have fun. In my experience most of the judges for these things were teenagers or shop owners, I almost never saw a judge at an FNM out of his twenties.

There are a TON of level 1 judges, because they're really in demand and it isn't that hard to get certified. There are far fewer level 2 judges and fewer still as you go up the ranks. The higher ranked judges tend to be older; the tests are incredibly difficult. MTG at the highest level is like solving differential equations.

My incredibly long-winded point is this: If testing is expensive and/or not readily available, obviously a line has to be drawn somewhere. Where could or should it be drawn?

I think perhaps it might be better to have certain guidelines in place instead regarding Judge behaviour. Keep in mind that all judging happens in an incredibly public place where you will almost certainly be around no less than a dozen people. I am curious as to what the perceived risks are here.

I'd also like to point out that as per your last point, there are many, many people who volunteer for jobs that involve children. Perhaps this is an issue best left to the law. I know very little about sex offender laws, but aren't those convicted either required to avoid children, or publish their status?



Ok so like I think there’s a lot of ways people have access to kids that should be more monitored.

my Comment was more like that sentiment but poorly constructed. And like I didn’t mean to insult MTG if I did by suggesting it’s easy to clown. I stand by my sentiment that it’s not mainstream and that regardless of that people participating have a right to feel safe. That’s all I meant. :)
 
Know what would really concern me? Shop owners. They have a hell of a lot more alone time with kids who wander into their shops, and a hell of a lot more power.

Most significant concern based in reality brought up so far in this thread. Those shops are cheap to open, low overhead, ran by an owner operator and there's no background checks to get a business license and they're free after school child care for many.
 
ya know I always loved the game but its been a long time since i played but I gotta say I always hated playing in shop due to the amount of just weirdos, people with fucked social skills , and basement dwellers that stink like sewer up in there and I gotta say im not shocked to hear what hes saying at all

I dont think all magic players are wack but I do think its a toxic scene and you are better off building a squad of friends and playing at home

And add meds are totally cheating too which I know ol dude in your video ts has talked about too
 
Don't get so upset just because someone offered some context. You seem highly invested in this youtube video.

Don't get so butthurt because someone exposed :eek::eek::eek::eek:philes. You seem highly invested in trying to discredit people who expose :eek::eek::eek::eek:s.

Who would do such a thing?
 
Ok so like I think there’s a lot of ways people have access to kids that should be more monitored.

I think it should be primarily the responsibility of law enforcement, but I believe institutions should absolutely do background checks. I used to do those, by the way. In ten seconds I could tell you, well, everything. Everywhere you have ever lived. Anyone who has EVER lived within twenty blocks of of anywhere you have ever lived. Your credit history. Every crime on your record. Every license you have ever had. Background checks aren't rocket science.

And like I didn’t mean to insult MTG if I did by suggesting it’s easy to clown. I stand by my sentiment that it’s not mainstream and that regardless of that people participating have a right to feel safe. That’s all I meant. :)

I absolutely did not take offense, it IS something of a fringe group, and anything involving children is vulnerable. Most of the groups I associated with were incredibly child friendly, but it's a big world.
 
Most significant concern based in reality brought up so far in this thread. Those shops are cheap to open, low overhead, ran by an owner operator and there's no background checks to get a business license and they're free after school child care for many.

A friend of mine owned a shop and it was swarming with kids from after school to dinner time.

It wasn't even a MTG shop primarily, he sold sport collectibles, but there was so much money in MTG he ran that also, set up a ton of tables, and let kids play.
 
Know what would really concern me? Shop owners. They have a hell of a lot more alone time with kids who wander into their shops, and a hell of a lot more power.

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Yeah, sorry, it was a dumb question.

I spent many years in that environment, and it seemed awesome for kids. It was very helpful and supportive. Older players mostly took it easy on them. It was fun seeing a kid be really excited about something you enjoyed, and you wanted to encourage that excitement (I appreciate how bad that sounds). This applies to Friday Night Magic and not real tournaments, where you would try and crush your opponent with no quarter given.

Most events happen in shops. Parents are often there. If I had kids I'd love for them to go to this kind of event. The interaction with all ages based on a common interest is fantastic.

tbf I was taking a lazy cheapshot at adults who play MTG. But being serious, I do agree with the poster who said that adult men in general who go out of their way to devote extra time to other people's kids should be scrutinized to a reasonable degree
 
recently cracked open a fresh iconic masters booster and pulled a minty mana drain... $75... pack was $10...
 
Is it really that hard to screen :eek::eek::eek::eek:philes from these kinds of events? I mean, if you're on some registry somewhere it doesn't seem like a very high bar to check that before you let a guy become a judge.

Obviously I'm not talking about creeps who have yet to be unmasked, I'm sure they're rife in a lot of activities where kids are involved.
 
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