Social MAGA 2025 Civil war incoming! Vivek Ramaswamy Betrays Base & reveals true colors, Says Americans SUCK !!

[Soggust]

You can hire and fill and train at the lower ends,

But they aren't doing that.

So if they aren't willing to hire and develop talent, why should we make industry specific exceptions to help keep their labor cost down, while being some of the most profitable companies in the world?

I also don't buy that all H-1Bs are just brilliant creators of foreign companies who we are poaching to hamstring foreign countries for 160k jobs. I'm pretty sure like 1/4 of H-1Bs each year are recent graduates. That's not hiring established brilliance, that's flooding the market.

 

[Darkavius]

Price gauging should be policed but that is not the answer to what is being posed.

What is being said here is 'pushes wages up high enough that ordinary americans will return to the farmers fields to pick cotton and other commodities, such that we will not need migrants to do that work'.

If you truly want ordinary americans to return to picking cotton and other commodities, etc, you will have to increase pay quite a bit over other lower end work. When you do that, you then have labor shortages in those areas (hotels, restaurants, etc) as their work force, is enticed via much higher pay, back to the fields. So then you must raise the pay of those people to entice people who work in the tier above (low end factory worker, etc) to instead go work in hotels, restaurants, etc to get the higher pay. And this pulling from the tier above just continues.

How do you fix it???

So is what you're asking is how do you get people to move to industries without siphoning other industries employment? As long as supply and demand exist there will generally be a shortage somewhere at any given time. That's just common knowledge. However, I wonder if the solution to what you are asking is to add additions on the back end? I know it's a taboo subject but I wouldn't be opposed to restaurant workers receiving pensions. One of the few things you can reliably depend on are people going out to eat...a lot.

 

[ChosenOne]

But they aren't doing that.

So if they aren't willing to hire and develop talent, why should we make industry specific exceptions to help keep their labor cost down, while being some of the most profitable companies in the world?

I also don't buy that all H-1Bs are just brilliant creators of foreign companies who we are poaching to hamstring foreign countries for 160k jobs. I'm pretty sure like 1/4 of H-1Bs each year are recent graduates. That's not hiring established brilliance, that's flooding the market.

Bullshit they are not.

To push a position that America does not push even lower end STEM training to the masses is simply false.

They absolutely do hire and are willing to train and hire at the lower end to fill many of the lower end stem roles. Society is and has been pushing that for a long time now. You simply cannot force the masses to go in to STEM even with the higher pay across the board as most people do not have the aptitude for it.

Math and science based jobs have ALWAYS been areas the masses self select out of.

 

[Rob Battisti]

A majority of migrant workers employed with H-1B visas are paid below-median wages: Large tech firms, including Amazon, Google, and Microsoft, use visa program to underpay workers

A new EPI report sheds light on the H-1B visa program and the prevailing wage levels in the program, finding that nearly all H-1B employers—including major U.S. tech firms—are using the program to pay migrant workers well below market wages. The report’s release comes after President Trump...

www.epi.org

We all know the Disney story. Anyways, if you're laying people off you're already conceding supply of workers isn't your problem and should be automatically ineligible for any H1 visas.

I don’t have love for companies who lay off indiscriminately. I was laid off last year. I just disagree that legally you can rehire the same role immediately.

 

[Rob Battisti]

Would you agree with removing the industry cap? Like, make H-1Bs available to all industries, but cap the overall # somewhere?

I don’t think so. I think tech positions are more valuable and thus we should hoard all that talent here in the US. I’d expand it 3-4x though.

I honestly have no idea what this means, no sarcasm. Like, I don't play the teams game, I'm just here to post Shoops and defend trannies bro.

I don't really know what each team's position is nor do I ever really care. I'm just a random dude talking shit that makes sense to me but I'm not even loyal to any of my own takes, much less anyone else's.

Oh, I thought a contingent of MAGA group wanted to eliminate H1-B. Isn’t what this is all about?

I don't think I agree that the biggest and most profitable companies in the world are being kneecapped.

They aren’t now but would if H1-B would go away.

 

[ChosenOne]

So is what you're asking is how do you get people to move to industries without siphoning other industries employment? As long as supply and demand exist there will generally be a shortage somewhere at any given time. That's just common knowledge. However, I wonder if the solution to what you are asking is to add additions on the back end? I know it's a taboo subject but I wouldn't be opposed to restaurant workers receiving pensions. One of the few things you can reliably depend on are people going out to eat...a lot.

You seem to have one answer to a supply/demand issue which is solely to raise remuneration in each area of need, as if that suddenly makes people appear when unemployment is already at record lows. You seem to think that suddenly people will be manufactured who are americans as opposed to just shifting the work force around at ever increasing pay rates.

 

[Soggust]

Bullshit they are not.

To push a position that America does not push even lower end STEM training to the masses is simply false.

They absolutely do hire and are willing to train and hire at the lower end to fill many of the lower end stem roles. Society is and has been pushing that for a long time now. You simply cannot force the masses to go in to STEM even with the higher pay across the board as most people do not have the aptitude for it.

Math and science based jobs have ALWAYS been areas the masses self select out of.

They had no problem with masses going into STEM in 2019-2021.

They laid off a ton of people, because they over hired with low interest rates, and now they are hurting for employees while trying to maintain record profits.

You're telling me it's because Americans aren't apt enough, but I respectfully disagree with that position. I think many of the richest companies just want more competition in the job market to reduce wages.

Oh, I thought a contingent of MAGA group wanted to eliminate H1-B. Isn’t what this is all about?

I thought you were supposed to be the hardcore MAGA loyalist and secret apologist (this is a joke) so idk lol. I thought we were all just throwing shit against the wall.

I don’t think so. I think tech positions are more valuable and thus we should hoard all that talent here in the US. I’d expand it 3-4x though.

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They aren’t now but would if H1-B would go away.

See, I don't think tech is inherently more valuable than healthcare, construction, etc.

Therefore, in my mind, it feels like you are in favor of prioritizing the most well compensated companies under the guise that companies can't compete for talent in a country of 350m citizens.

I think you view it as prioritizing the broader American success over prioritizing the lives of some of the most well-compensated employees (on average) in America.

I understand and respect your position, even if I simply disagree.

 

[Islam Imamate]

So you didn't mean people, human beings, when you said "inputs"?

I did but so what? In context it made sense. Obviously people are more than labor inputs but we shouldn't try to engineer meaning in the lives of the citizenry through labor policy. I support generous unemployment as a balance to the creative destruction of capitalism. So if you do lose your job because of an H1B worker I want you to get robust unemployment benefits not just to get by but to be able to pivot in life to starting a business or investing in certification/training and what have you.

The only thing that would be hamstringed is tech company's profit margins.

And you think that's good? I want tech companies to be able to grow. You want to be coddled and I don't agree with that.

 

[PEB]

Putting aside most Americans just do not want this work and those in low pay category can make more standing around McDonalds, you do not seem to realize that this world has competition.

If you pay americans the rates needed to pick fruit and vegetables, the costs soar. And we know how magats feel about price inflation.

When those prices soar, then other countries produce gets purchased and our farms are lost or they have to be subsidized.

And play that out. You raise labor rates enough that now Americans are begrudgingly returning to the farm fields and to doing all the jobs in hospitality, like at Trump resorts, how much do you raise the pay at McDonalds, etc to get people who would typically not work at McDonalds to now consider it?

This is part of the problem an people wil see why it's needed. People just need understands prices will be slightly higher. I posted this years ago about hanes underwear.

They did a questionare asking customers if the product was entirely made in the US would they be willing to pay something like 2 dollars more for a sweater?

You would have thought it was the end of the world! This was before the massive rise in automation now they can run a factory with 20 percent of the people.

This an the fact they don't run a sweat shop they were still making a majority of their products in the US. People got paid time off 2 weeks vacation after a year an college reimbursement.

People seem to think the world is not run by the Walton family? The Waltons as a whole are worth more then Musk before elections but I believe it's close even now. You think they are not backing H1-B?

Let's not forget the elephant in the room and you almost never hear from them but they work as a family as well. Cargill is bigger then Koch Industries an have decades of influence with in the Republican Party. When John McCain talked about campaign finance reform they went into overdrive to kill it.

"The Cargill family had at least 14 billionaires. The Cargill company and family—who had at least 14 billionaires—were "famously quiet", living "extremely private lives, many of them on ranches and farms in Montana," according to Forbes."

This while people complain about 3 dollars a dozen eggs don't understand they vote against their own best interests. Both parties people like AOC , Bernie, an two former Republican who lost to MAGA wanted it from Ohio even.

 

[DoctorTaco]

Do you think if fast food and hotels all have to pay more for those low end jobs the costs don't go up?

Numbers from 2018, but the idea remains the same.

 

[CantCucktheTuck]

Numbers from 2018, but the idea remains the same.

If only a random made up image could solve all our problems.

 

[86'd]

Numbers from 2018, but the idea remains the same.

Exactly it’s all a bunch of bullshit.

If people actually read about the history of labor and the strikes that used to happen when Pinkertons were literally killing protestors and going into mines etc


To the Chinese opium rail workers that were booted from the country so citizens could have the work and unions were founded to grow a middle class in America

These were the founders of OT pay, 8 hour days, health benefits etc

You would be able to see through all this rhetoric

@Islam Imamate you want tech companies to grow??? They have more money than god. They’re all soon to be trillionaires. It’s gonna be all right if they’re required to put more of that into social services and labor protections to help sustain a middle class in this country

 

[Mr Holmes]

And you think that's good? I want tech companies to be able to grow. You want to be coddled and I don't agree with that.

The program isn't in place for their profits. I want the economy to grow but, unlike you, I'm not worried about Bezos, Musk and Zucker's fortunes.

 

[Rob Battisti]

I thought you were supposed to be the hardcore MAGA loyalist and secret apologist (this is a joke) so idk lol. I thought we were all just throwing shit against the wall.

Hah — turns out I am not.

See, I don't think tech is inherently more valuable than healthcare, construction, etc.

Therefore, in my mind, it feels like you are in favor of prioritizing the most well compensated companies under the guise that companies can't compete for talent in a country of 350m citizens.

I think you view it as prioritizing the broader American success over prioritizing the lives of some of the most well-compensated employees (on average) in America.

I understand and respect your position, even if I simply disagree.

It’s not about “value” in the strict sense. It’s about talent having a power law effect on its impact of the role. The top 10% of construction workers aren’t producing multiples the value of the top 50% like in tech. We need that value where stateside both economically and to hinder China.

 

[Andy Capp]

I did but so what? In context it made sense. Obviously people are more than labor inputs but we shouldn't try to engineer meaning in the lives of the citizenry through labor policy. I support generous unemployment as a balance to the creative destruction of capitalism. So if you do lose your job because of an H1B worker I want you to get robust unemployment benefits not just to get by but to be able to pivot in life to starting a business or investing in certification/training and what have you.

And you think that's good? I want tech companies to be able to grow. You want to be coddled and I don't agree with that.

LOL where's @ColemanwastheGOAT to tell @Mr Holmes that he obviously only wants for rich people to give their money to people like him for no effort and that he's just jealous?

 

[Islam Imamate]

The program isn't in place for their profits. I want the economy to grow but, unlike you, I'm not worried about Bezos, Musk and Zucker's fortunes.

It kind of is though, it's there to increase their access to labor which hopefully means more growth.

I don't think it's the government’s job to coddle the highest paid workers.

 

[deviake]

I did but so what? In context it made sense. Obviously people are more than labor inputs but we shouldn't try to engineer meaning in the lives of the citizenry through labor policy. I support generous unemployment as a balance to the creative destruction of capitalism. So if you do lose your job because of an H1B worker I want you to get robust unemployment benefits not just to get by but to be able to pivot in life to starting a business or investing in certification/training and what have you.

And you think that's good? I want tech companies to be able to grow. You want to be coddled and I don't agree with that.

It's dehumanizing, firstly, second, you want the government to subsidize corporations. I already posted the article above as well as how much Musk is worth, it's very clear why the billionaire who bought the government doesn't want regulations in place to protect American workers. You're also anti union and said we shouldn't be "vindictive" I believe the word was, toward billionaires. Those are anti-labor positions couched in calculated rhetoric. I'm just calling a spade a spade.

 

[Islam Imamate]

@Islam Imamate you want tech companies to grow??? They have more money than god. They’re all soon to be trillionaires. It’s gonna be all right if they’re required to put more of that into social services and labor protections to help sustain a middle class in this country

I've said multiple times I want tech companies to grow so we can tax them to better fund social programs.

You guys want to protect some of the highest paid workers in the economy and for what? You think people like Mr Holmes wants a more robust safety net? No, he wants less competition from foreigners so his salary can be inflated.

 

[DoctorTaco]

If only a random made up image could solve all our problems.

Raising wages solves our problems, and historically doesn’t lead to higher prices.

 

[ColemanwastheGOAT]

LOL where's @ColemanwastheGOAT to tell @Mr Holmes that he obviously only wants for rich people to give their money to people like him for no effort and that he's just jealous?

Here's your attention.