Mackenzie Dern >>> Ronda

old school 2 said:
I love both of them. Dern is absolutely the hotter of the two but Rhonda was finishing everyone in the first round and most in the first minute. She went through a Olympic Gold Medalist in wrestling in seconds. I look forward to what Dern May accomplish in the future but she is no where near Rhonda’s level of popularity, invincibility and marketability when she was undefeated.
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Most of those girls Rhonda beat were soccer mom's. Come on lol.
 
I still don't understand the thesis of this thread. They're different weights. Different eras. One was an undefeated champ. One is borderline top 10 and has admitted that they don't want to train as much as their coaches want them to.

I'm not sure what it is UFC is supposed to be promoting with Dern.
 
kflo said:
Did ronda “use power punching” when she knocked out bethe? Or stunned Davis (leading to finish)?

Saying dern definitely hits harder because she uses power punching is a bit simplistic.
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Overall yes Dern punches harder. She has dropped lots of fighters she has fought. Ronda got one KO on Bethe, but hasn't been able to replicate that punching power on multiple opponents. Plus judging by the punches I've seen I can tell Dern is the harder puncher. I can easily tell the power in fighter's punches. It's easy for me to compare vs other fighters. Dern is much more explosive and heavy handed with her striking and puts her weight behind her punches . Ronda's are arm punches, she got the KO as she was moving forward so it was able to use her forward momentum to add more power to her punch. Watch her stationary punching and you can see there isn't much power coming from her technique.
 
FIghtxIQ said:
Overall yes Dern punches harder. She has dropped lots of fighters she has fought. Ronda got one KO on Bethe, but hasn't been able to replicate that punching power on multiple opponents. Plus judging by the punches I've seen I can tell Dern is the harder puncher. I can easily tell the power in fighter's punches. It's easy for me to compare vs other fighters. Dern is much more explosive and heavy handed with her striking and puts her weight behind her punches . Ronda's are arm punches, she got the KO as she was moving forward so it was able to use her forward momentum to add more power to her punch. Watch her stationary punching and you can see there isn't much power coming from her technique.
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The stats don’t back it up and I’m sorry but saying trust me I know deez tings isn’t exactly strong evidence. She has one recorded knockdown in the ufc in 6 fights.
 
JustOnce said:
So, it was pretty disgusting what people were saying about Ronda at her peak. Like people like Joe Rogan, you know, but I guess they sure changed their tune fast. I mean I'm sure people who will reply to this thread are one of those people too, you know. Talking about how great she was back then, but now she was never good.

Ronda never tapped a fighter above a purple belt in BJJ in MMA.
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Stopped reading here. Alexis Davis was a black belt and got tapped in under a minute. Fact check before you post man.
 
Dionysian said:
Stopped reading here. Alexis Davis was a black belt and got tapped in under a minute. Fact check before you post man.
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That's great notice!

And to TS, I had no clue that belt can stop you from being submitted.
If I remember correct: Late mr. Helio Gracie once said belt protects only 1% of your body, rest you have to defend yourself.
 
kenetics said:
This is an old interview, her motivation changed after having her daughter.
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I hope so, because she'll need it to get to the top. She already did it in BJJ, but her MMA career has clearly not been as impressive.
 
Rocco Siffredi said:
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This is a very common judo exercise. It has nothing to do with striking at all.
 
Rvd Slmr said:
I hope so, because she'll need it to get to the top. She already did it in BJJ, but her MMA career has clearly not been as impressive.
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She's better then most girls in that divsion because women mma is weak in general.
 
andrejxvii said:
Ronda shadowboxed and her shadow won.

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Still unbelievable that this is actual footage. And what's even more unbelievable is that some folks really thought her hands were "world class". Jesus fucking Christ.
 
old school 2 said:
A Olympic gold medalist ain’t a soccer mom unless you got a soccer prodigy for a kid.
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If your talking about women's wresting then that's laughable to in the olympics. The numbers are so small who are competing lmao
 
Kwic said:
Second, prime Strikeforce weight cut Ronda was really pretty, you can't deny that.
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I can deny it, you can have Ronda and her fabulous cankles all day long.
 
CroCopsLHK said:
Ronda headlined the first ever WMMA main event and was the first ever women's champ in ufc. And she broke a lot of records (regardless of the belt level). Ive seen her at her best and her worst, I know why people hate her.

The talent pool has surpassed her. More attractive fighters are emerging. That doesn't take away from what she's done though. It would be like saying Demien Maia is far better that Royce Gracie
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Wmma isn’t evolving. There will always be a couple girls who are way better than the other hundreds of pieces of garbage.
Just like in lady boxing.

Liz carmouche just fought and went 5 rounds with Valentina who is of course a goat.

Ronda would do fine today if she dedicated herself. Her problem is she believed she was a puncher. Which she’s not

if she played her game that made her so great in wmma. She would still be at the top.

Ronda was just destroying everyone. This dern. Not so much. And she’s not going against killers. She’s going against bad fighters. But that’s wmma.
 
kflo said:
The stats don’t back it up and I’m sorry but saying trust me I know deez tings isn’t exactly strong evidence. She has one recorded knockdown in the ufc in 6 fights.
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What stats are you implying back up your theory? I'm judging it from their fights. I'm not saying trust me I know these tings. I'm explaining the reasoning behind why I feel Dern hits harder. Any power puncher can easily tell the difference. We know what to look for. Others will have a hard time gauging strength but for others it's very easy. Ronda isn't really known for her boxing or her mma striking. So I don't understand the argument that she's some elite power puncher. Dern has proven her power punching in her fights. She's dropped multiple opponents that she's fought and every time she connects clean you can see it in their faces that it was a hard hit. They immediately back peddle, cover up, or get dropped. Those are the stats I'm basing my argument on. If you want you can probably look at their significant strikes stats from all their fights and see who has more.
 
FIghtxIQ said:
What stats are you implying back up your theory? I'm judging it from their fights. I'm not saying trust me I know these tings. I'm explaining the reasoning behind why I feel Dern hits harder. Any power puncher can easily tell the difference. We know what to look for. Others will have a hard time gauging strength but for others it's very easy. Ronda isn't really known for her boxing or her mma striking. So I don't understand the argument that she's some elite power puncher. Dern has proven her power punching in her fights. She's dropped multiple opponents that she's fought and every time she connects clean you can see it in their faces that it was a hard hit. They immediately back peddle, cover up, or get dropped. Those are the stats I'm basing my argument on. If you want you can probably look at their significant strikes stats from all their fights and see who has more.
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Ronda 3 finishes by (t)ko. Dern zero against lesser opponents.
 
No. Dern will never be the champion. I watch all her fights hoping to see something special, but am always disappointed. And all her fights are boring. Ronda, win or lose, has never been in a boring fight. She either finished the fight or went out on her shield.
 
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