*Machida vindicates TMA (Karate)*

[Sarumyan]

The base 4 MAs in MMA are just much more effective than the rest, and they include pretty much all techniques used in other sports that are applicable in MMA.

The machida's kick looked more kickboxing / MT than traditional karate.

Of course you can salvage karate, Judo and etc for some moves and techniques, but not to the same extent as for example wrestling.

THere are a lot of guys here who grew up in 70-80s watching Kung fu movies and believing in some hidden techniques and deadly styles, and it hurts you that MMA proved most of it is just bs.

Get over it.

 

[grimballer]

Tma is as much about philophosy as is about fighting.

It's no coincidence that wrestling, bjj, boxing n mt are base for mma. They are the most effective in real fight.

Other tma can give you good alternative moves, however if you want success you stick with what works.

That why guys like gsp completely abandoned karate n uses mostly boxing/mt.

 

[BukHumLae]

im so glad the pro TMA guys shut the haters up. theres a reason why these arts last 1000s of years... chit works!

 

[Presinator]

Tma is as much about philophosy as is about fighting.

It's no coincidence that wrestling, bjj, boxing n mt are base for mma. They are the most effective in real fight.

Other tma can give you good alternative moves, however if you want success you stick with what works.

That why guys like gsp completely abandoned karate n uses mostly boxing/mt.

GSP is always crediting karate for his footwork and ability to close distance.

 

[XenonRadon]

Hi, karate black belt here.

Machida vindicates TMA to some degree, but only partially. His fighting style is MMA with striking that is halfway between karate and establishment MMA. Also, his training methods are much closer to common MMA than to the typical karate or TKD dojo.

Going back to technique, take the Munoz KO for example:

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His kick is a hybrid of a karate kick and a Muay Thai kick. His technique begins with a step forward with the front foot already turned outwards as it lands. This is how a dutch-style Muay Thai kick opens; it is not how a karate mawashi-geri is performed. In karate, you pivot on the standing leg as you rotate for the kick, not before, and there is no pre-step.

Machida's striking surface is his shin, as in Muay Thai. All karate styles I am aware of outside of Kyokushin teach to strike with the ball of the foot or the top of the foot/instep.

The articulation of his knee on the way out, and his retraction resemble a karate mawashi-geri, however.

You can do the same kind of analysis with his punches -- they are a hybrid of karate and MMA/Boxing technique.

And as for training methods, if you want to learn to fight like Machida, you are still better off at an MMA gym doing pad work, bag work, continuous padded sparring, grappling, clinch work,etc. like Machida does rather than going to a typical karate/TKD dojo/dojang and doing kata, kihon kumite, non-contact/light contact point sparring, & practicing techniques primarily into thin air in impractical (training-only) stances.

 

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Tristar Gym/coach Zahabi
On this week GSP Monday morning training camp report. I'm glad to report a special visit from Kyokushinkai legends Katsuhito Gorai and
kancho Matsui. Accompanied by the great Shihan Andre Gilbert we were treated to some amazing Mas Oyama stories from the men who were there with him and learned from the legend himself. They also gave us some incredible advice on preparation and life. These men would train 8 hours a day and so had a lot to share. If you would like to see Kyokushinkai Hero Matsui in action I included a link. Enjoy. OSU! Firas Zahabi
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[Konighter]

The base 4 MAs in MMA are just much more effective than the rest, and they include pretty much all techniques used in other sports that are applicable in MMA.

The machida's kick looked more kickboxing / MT than traditional karate.

Of course you can salvage karate, Judo and etc for some moves and techniques, but not to the same extent as for example wrestling.

THere are a lot of guys here who grew up in 70-80s watching Kung fu movies and believing in some hidden techniques and deadly styles, and it hurts you that MMA proved most of it is just bs.

Get over it.

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the machida kick is completely karate. I train it every week.
And why are that 4 more efective? I can think of Karate/BJJ like Lyoto. Boxing does not include feet and kickboxing is very poor on defending. Wrestling won't tkae you much far than controling your oponent's on the floor. And BTW that movies you talk about, that has almost nothing to do with some TMA like Karatem judo and stuff. They're MOVIES.

 

[SuperHoss]

Nobody ever said that about Judo. In fact, many people believed from the beginning that Judo was the best base and many still do.

As far as the TMA, without some grappling expertise, it still has limited application in MMA.

 

[Nicslagan]

Tristar Gym/coach Zahabi
On this week GSP Monday morning training camp report. I'm glad to report a special visit from Kyokushinkai legends Katsuhito Gorai and
kancho Matsui. Accompanied by the great Shihan Andre Gilbert we were treated to some amazing Mas Oyama stories from the men who were there with him and learned from the legend himself. They also gave us some incredible advice on preparation and life. These men would train 8 hours a day and so had a lot to share. If you would like to see Kyokushinkai Hero Matsui in action I included a link. Enjoy. OSU! Firas Zahabi
Kyokushin - kancho Shokei "Akiyoshi" Matsui





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[CinemaKingdom]

Indeed. He`s able to keep the fight standing due to his sumo TDD.

Actually his wide Karate stance and Karate pivoting is most of his TDD.

 

[bad seed]

Where does one even learn sumo outside of Japan?

A sumo documentary I saw showed how the schools only invite promising prospects [big athletic fatties] to train. Seems like the most elitist of martial arts.

 

[Nicslagan]

The base 4 MAs in MMA are just much more effective than the rest, and they include pretty much all techniques used in other sports that are applicable in MMA.

The machida's kick looked more kickboxing / MT than traditional karate.

Of course you can salvage karate, Judo and etc for some moves and techniques, but not to the same extent as for example wrestling.

THere are a lot of guys here who grew up in 70-80s watching Kung fu movies and believing in some hidden techniques and deadly styles, and it hurts you that MMA proved most of it is just bs.

Get over it.

They use flashy moves in movies because they want to wow the crowd not teach them martial arts...lol

They use more than one variation of round kick in Karate, TKD, and other TMA styles . You learn more the more advanced you are. They teach using the shin all the time but practice the instep for sparring purposes. That was a kick found in many styles.

MMA didn't prove TMA to be bs. It has proven otherwise. Not everything is as it seems. The moves you see as bs are usually bs because they are telling you one thing and actually training you to do another. Don't judge a book by its cover.

These TMA are something you don't understand. The striking TMA work awesome for striking and the grappling TMA work great for grappling. There are some TMA that combine all ranges of fighting.

The deadly styles you are talking about can't use their techniques and weapons because it is not allowed in competition. These deadly styles teach fish hooking, eye gouges, groin grabs and strikes, and strikes to the throat, neck, and back of the head that are illegal.

Why do the majority of champions have TMA in their background?

 

[Nicslagan]

Where does one even learn sumo outside of Japan?

A sumo documentary I saw showed how the schools only invite promising prospects [big athletic fatties] to train. Seems like the most elitist of martial arts.

Yeah, it's not that popular other places but we did it for fun when I was little. It is a fun game to do no matter what your size.

 

[whougonnacall]

Yeah have always felt we're just at the beginning still with mma
Styles with hard sparring like boxing, kickboxing, wrestling, bjj, catch etc have been easiest to intigrate into mma but now more and more people are finding ways to bring in TMA techniques.

 

[TankAbbott4Eva]

I think what it shows is that a TMA may give you a good point of difference now everyone trains in boxing, MT, wrestling and BJJ. Something like judo, karate, sumo, TKD (as far as I know) is not focused on in MMA gyms and may give you an opportunity. Either that or Machida is simply one heck of an all round fighter.

 

[Nicslagan]

Tma is as much about philophosy as is about fighting.

It's no coincidence that wrestling, bjj, boxing n mt are base for mma. They are the most effective in real fight.

Other tma can give you good alternative moves, however if you want success you stick with what works.

That why guys like gsp completely abandoned karate n uses mostly boxing/mt.

GSP uses his karate in every fight.

 

[Stoners**]

by one kick you mean a front kick(mae geri) KO to an undefeated Rich franklin, crane kick to couture(mae geri with a jumping feint) and high kick(mawashi geri) to munoz amirite?

No, I mean the roundhouse thrown last night.
I also have no idea what you're talking about in your Franklin reference, no one ever KO'd franklin with a front kick/teep/mai thai/my girl...whatever you're heart desires to call it.
You do understand what the front of the body is right?


You named 3 kicks out of 100's of thousands of dumb, useless, nevagannawork techniques such as this guy.




I wont argue that some techniques from TMA are incredible and if worked on and practiced thousands of times they would be great tools in a fighters repertoire.
But...this vindication is nonsense.


Machida is not doing Karate, Machida is doing MMA.

 

[Nicslagan]

TMA are invaluable to martial arts students and fighters because you can do them for longer and be injury free. How many guys fighting and training for MMA fights get hurt all the time? It is a lot easier to transition into professional fighting from a TMA than having no previous training at all. Most Muay Thai fighters have trained in a TMA before they started Thai Boxing. The best ones usually do. Really Muay Thai fights are more brutal than being a running back. You just can't last that long.

 

[XenonRadon]

GSP uses his karate in every fight.

GSP claims his footwork for entering takedowns come from his karate background, but his striking technique is almost completely boxing/muay thai.

The spinning side kick is from karate & TKD, but the rest of his kicks are thai kicks and his punches are boxing. I've never seen him throw a karate punch (tsuki or gyaku tsuki).

 

[Sansara]

GSP is from Kyokushin not Shotokan.

While shotokan had always its credibility questioned the same cannot be said about Kyokushin. Everyone with a little martial arts expertise knows that K-1 is filled with a lot of sucessfull Kyokushin practicioners. Feitosa, Francisco Filho and Andy Hug just off the top of my head.

So while shotokan never had sucess in martial arts competition before Machida came in ( and now also Makdessi, Jimmo and Stephen Thomson, yes i know Jimmo and Thomson are not exactly from Shotokan but they also come from ''non proved karate styles) Kyokushin had A LOT OF SUCESS IN K-1.