Lorenzo destroying FPWs (Fighter Pay Warriors)

FrodoFraggins said:
MLB, NFL, NBA ... They all have substantial costs including owning freaking stadiums , TV networks and minor league teams and parks. Yet they manage to fairly pay their athletes.

The Fertitas aren't owning anyone but the fighters. But until the fighters stand up and unionize I can't be bothered anymore.
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One MLB team only has 40 players and they play 162 games a year.
 
eiyuu said:
Why more posters here don't understand this is beyond me.

You get paid more when you've proven that you're worth it.

Another example? GSP started off making $3k/3k disclosed in the UFC. Ended making $4.5 million per fight according to Forbes.

It's called EARNING IT.
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Earning what you want is such a passe notion.
 
eiyuu said:
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I'm 37. Your age fits in with my theory, which is simply...

Those from a different generation have a different outlook on hard work, effort, and achievement. Our age bracket has nowhere near the same sense of entitlement or "fairness" that a large share of the folks 15-20 years younger than us do. Equal opportunity does not mean equal results...phrases like "the cream always rises" have been replaced with "everyone gets a trophy". This group-think has degraded the value placed upon individual effort and accomplishment...it's the same reason why people who make fries feel they deserve $15 an hour...if you want $15 an hour, go get a trade skill...but that's hard and takes effort and bosses want things like on-time employees who are value added to a company.

So for everyone still reading this, here is the truth: YOU DON'T GET PAID FOR THE WORK YOU DO FOR YOUR EMPLOYER, YOU GET PAID BASED ON THE VALUE YOU BRING TO YOUR EMPLOYER. WHEN YOU FEEL YOUR VALUE OUTPACES YOUR COMPENSATION, IT'S TIME TO ASK FOR A RAISE OR GET A NEW EMPLOYER.

Someone may be the best line cook at McDonalds, but that doesn't mean you are going to start off being paid like an executive chef when you finally start working at a bigger restaurant. So you cook at McDonalds, and then you become a prep cook at Applebees, and then a chef, and then you get into a real steakhouse and repeat until you've been a prep cook, a sous chef, and finally the head chef at a fine French cuisine place and making the money that you dreamed about. And as your cooking brings more people in to the restaurant you can start to negotiate for better wages...and if they aren't paying enough, you shop your resume (and reputation) around and see what someone else will pay for your services.

The world owes you nothing. The world owes UFC fighters nothing. The UFC owes the fighters exactly what they negotiate for. If you want more, earn it.
 
I don't know people come up with all these excuses for why the UFC doesn't pay more. It doesn't have to do with mysterious expenses boxing doesn't have or, with regard to percentage of revenue, the fact the NFL or NBA makes so much more. The reason they don't is because they don't have to. They have almost no competition forcing them to drive up wages, no union to deal with because the fighters are independent contractors, and many fans that are bigger fans of the UFC brand and Zuffa then they are the fighters. That's a winning combination that gets you making 2,3, 4x as much as all your fighters combined.
 
the ufc refuses to release official numbers they can be held accountable for. so anything dana or lorenzo says is bull unless backed up by official numbers
 
I think a lot of people are forgetting, the UFC haven't been this established for a long time like other sports, boxing in general. Fighters pay will eventually go up but that is going to take a while longer for them to start paying them like how boxers get pay. The top dogs are getting what they deserve while the average person is just getting hte average salary. I think what destroyed fighters salary was the whole reebok deal which devoured sponsorship in the cage.
 
smart.feller said:
I'm 37. Your age fits in with my theory, which is simply...

Those from a different generation have a different outlook on hard work, effort, and achievement. Our age bracket has nowhere near the same sense of entitlement or "fairness" that a large share of the folks 15-20 years younger than us do. Equal opportunity does not mean equal results...phrases like "the cream always rises" have been replaced with "everyone gets a trophy". This group-think has degraded the value placed upon individual effort and accomplishment...it's the same reason why people who make fries feel they deserve $15 an hour...if you want $15 an hour, go get a trade skill...but that's hard and takes effort and bosses want things like on-time employees who are value added to a company.

So for everyone still reading this, here is the truth: YOU DON'T GET PAID FOR THE WORK YOU DO FOR YOUR EMPLOYER, YOU GET PAID BASED ON THE VALUE YOU BRING TO YOUR EMPLOYER. WHEN YOU FEEL YOUR VALUE OUTPACES YOUR COMPENSATION, IT'S TIME TO ASK FOR A RAISE OR GET A NEW EMPLOYER.

Someone may be the best line cook at McDonalds, but that doesn't mean you are going to start off being paid like an executive chef when you finally start working at a bigger restaurant. So you cook at McDonalds, and then you become a prep cook at Applebees, and then a chef, and then you get into a real steakhouse and repeat until you've been a prep cook, a sous chef, and finally the head chef at a fine French cuisine place and making the money that you dreamed about. And as your cooking brings more people in to the restaurant you can start to negotiate for better wages...and if they aren't paying enough, you shop your resume (and reputation) around and see what someone else will pay for your services.

The world owes you nothing. The world owes UFC fighters nothing. The UFC owes the fighters exactly what they negotiate for. If you want more, earn it.
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You know you could have said this without the rose-tinted "my parents had sex before yours so my generation rules" garbage that people keep regurgitating throughout history.
 
NoContest said:
Why don't these fighters beat up the Fertitas and Dana and take their money? I'd watch.
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You'd have to allow dana and the Fertitas bodyguards with automatic weaponry (to be fair - they don't fight with their fists anymore) . Most ppl would change the channel. And that's a good thing!
 
Workers need to unite and get themselves a good labor lawyer. No way are they contractors under the law. Contractors can work for others. He can build UFC a building and a Del Taco a building for example. Fighter cant he must work for UFC exclusively. And many other violations UFC is making calling them contractors. you can read here
https://www.mdc.edu/hr/Operations/AFS/IRSFactorTest.pdf

Someday UFC will own millions in back social security and medical taxes.

They just need to unite like any workplace or people in general who doesn't want to be taken advantage of if they dont want to be.
 
12ga. said:
Workers need to unite and get themselves a good labor lawyer. No way are they contractors under the law. Contractors can work for others. He can build UFC a building and a Del Taco a building for example. Fighter cant he must work for UFC exclusively. And many other violations UFC is making calling them contractors. you can read here
https://www.mdc.edu/hr/Operations/AFS/IRSFactorTest.pdf

Someday UFC will own millions in back social security and medical taxes.

They just need to unite like any workplace or people in general who doesn't want to be taken advantage of if they dont want to be.
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Contractors can't work for others when they're under contract if the contract has non-compete clauses..
 
FrodoFraggins said:
MLB, NFL, NBA ... They all have substantial costs including owning freaking stadiums , TV networks and minor league teams and parks. Yet they manage to fairly pay their athletes.

The Fertitas aren't owning anyone but the fighters. But until the fighters stand up and unionize I can't be bothered anymore.
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Do these fighters fight for the public 164 times a year?

No? Then comparing them to Baseball or even Basketball and Football players is stupid.

These guys all perform live in front of paying audience far more in one year than many of these fighters do in their entire career.
 
You can compare it to any workplace or profession. Bottom line is you can leverage your value better with a union or player association and change the market dynamics. That how in all major sports players got over 50% of revenue, medical, big retirment pensions, from the billionaires they work for. In the 1960s they worked second jobs (like some UFC guys) with no pension and no medical. Thats how teacher or policemen went from poverty wages to middle/uppermiddle class wages and so on and so forth.

If you take whats given dont expect much.

OFC the UFC brass know all this and are warning their employees to stay away
http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2015/9/4/9253189/ufc-recommend-its-fighters-say-no-to-the-unions
 
12ga. said:
Thats called an employee like NBA players are not an independent contractor.
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No it's a contractor that signs a contract that has non-compete clauses.

Fighters are free to seek any employment they choose so long as it's not in competition with the UFC.
 
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