Social London apartment tower in flames

[MayhemMonkey]

Well, I'm still alive. So by definition, I'm ahead of them on points

And a lot of Catholics supported the IRA. Doesn't make it right what the UVF etc did to them, but let's not pretend they were all blushing virgins either. Remember what a mob of Catholics did to two British soldiers they caught driving down the wrong road in Belfast back in the 80's?

Corbyn was never interested in an end to violence on both sides. He only wanted the Unionists and the British state to give in to the Republicans. He was the editor of a hard left newspaper that, following the Brighton Bombing, wrote, "What do you call four dead Tories? A good start!" He has been asked on numerous occassions to condemn IRA terrorism, and has always refused to do so.

not all the catholics they killed supported the IRA, in fact some had fuck all to do with it. they were just killed for being catholics. The loyalists were terrorists whether you want to admit it or not.

Also no, Corbyn wasnt the editor of that magazine, thats a lie that has already been debunked. Oh and again no, Corbyn has always been an anti-war activist. He wanted an end to the conflict

 

[KnightTemplar]

not all the catholics they killed supported the IRA, in fact some had fuck all to do with it. they were just killed for being catholics. The loyalists were terrorists whether you want to admit it or not.

Also no, Corbyn wasnt the editor of that magazine, thats a lie that has already been debunked. Oh and again no, Corbyn has always been an anti-war activist. He wanted an end to the conflict

On that first point I agree. No one should be murdered just for their religion. It doesn't change the facts that a considerable percentage of Catholics, including some members of the priesthood, were IRA sympathisers. The Loyalist paramilitiaries were and are scum. But they were far less dangerous to the UK than the IRA, who Crobyn idolised. He attended events alongside high ranking IRA terrorists such as Adams. He denounced the Anglo-Irish agreement, because it didn't offer enough concessions to the Republicans.

Corbyn is a coward; he once said that he would not authorise a retaliatory nuclear strike should the UK be attacked first. That alone should bar him from ever becoming PM.

 

[MayhemMonkey]

On that first point I agree. No one should be murdered just for their religion. It doesn't change the facts that a considerable percentage of Catholics, including some members of the priesthood, were IRA sympathisers. The Loyalist paramilitiaries were and are scum. But they were far less dangerous to the UK than the IRA, who Crobyn idolised. He attended events alongside high ranking IRA terrorists such as Adams. He denounced the Anglo-Irish agreement, because it didn't offer enough concessions to the Republicans.

Corbyn is a coward; he once said that he would not authorise a retaliatory nuclear strike should the UK be attacked first. That alone should bar him from ever becoming PM.

are these guys "terrorist sympathizers"?

 

[Hard To Tell]

bullshit

If someone was a member of the National Front for over ten years, attended all their meetings and rallies and even gave money to their leaders, but when confronted about it turned around and said "but...but...I'm not racist, in fact I didn't even know the National Front were racist", would you believe them? Because that's exactly what Jeremy Corbyn did when rumbled about his involvement with the antisemitic, holocaust denying DYR and Paul Eisen.

 

[MayhemMonkey]

If someone was a member of the National Front for over ten years, attended all their meetings and rallies and even gave money to their leaders, but when confronted about it turned around and said "but...but...I'm not racist, in fact I didn't even know the National Front were racist", would you believe them? Because that's exactly what Jeremy Corbyn did when rumbled about his involvement with the antisemitic, holocaust denying DYR and Paul Eisen.

source?

 

[KnightTemplar]

are these guys "terrorist sympathizers"?

Did either one of them attend a Wolfe Tone Society meeting, observe a minute's silence for eight IRA terrorists shot dead at Loughall - in the act of trying to blow up an RUC station - and tell the crowd of Republicans,

"I'm happy to commemorate all those who died fighting for a united Ireland"?

 

[Hoof Hearted]

Corbyn voted against a bill that would have made it a legal obligation to fit sprinkler systems in all high rise flats.

Still waiting for a source for this.

 

[Hard To Tell]

source?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...inks-notorious-Holocaust-denier-revealed.html

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...s-10-year-association-group-denies-holocaust/

Even after he was found out he still went to their meetings, something he denied

https://www.thejc.com/news/uk-news/...d-by-holocaust-denier-s-group-in-2013-1.68163

Paul Eisen himself has called Corbyn the finest man in British politics.

http://archive.is/4CzAC

 

[MayhemMonkey]

Did either one of them attend a Wolfe Tone Society meeting, observe a minute's silence for eight IRA terrorists shot dead at Loughall - in the act of trying to blow up an RUC station - and tell the crowd of Republicans,

"I'm happy to commemorate all those who died fighting for a united Ireland"?

ah, so because he doesnt support British colonialism is the issue? he isnt the only person that supports the idea of a united ireland. Also what do you expect him to do when he was there? get on the mic in front of republicans and start singing god save the queen? dont be ridiculous

face facts, we werent the "good guys" in that conflict.

 

[MayhemMonkey]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...inks-notorious-Holocaust-denier-revealed.html

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...s-10-year-association-group-denies-holocaust/

Even after he was found out he still went to their meetings, something he denied

https://www.thejc.com/news/uk-news/...d-by-holocaust-denier-s-group-in-2013-1.68163

Paul Eisen himself has called Corbyn the finest man in British politics.

http://archive.is/4CzAC

those claims were denied.... and in one of them someone even says "Jeremy is not a holocaust denier, but he shouldve been more critical". Also what does this prove?
you still havent provided Jeremy being confronted about this and him stuttering through a response

 

[Hard To Tell]

ah, so because he doesnt support British colonialism is the issue? he isnt the only person that supports the idea of a united ireland. Also what do you expect him to do when he was there? get on the mic in front of republicans and start singing god save the queen? dont be ridiculous

face facts, we werent the "good guys" in that conflict.

The vast majority of people in Northern Ireland want to remain part of the UK. Not that comrade Jeremy cares about inconvenient stuff like democracy or the will of the people. 98.9% of people voted to remain part of the UK in 1973, although the Catholic boycott did contribute to such a wide margin. But the last poll, conducted in 2012, found that only 7% of people in Northern Ireland wanted a united Ireland.

 

[Hard To Tell]

those claims were denied.... and in one of them someone even says "Jeremy is not a holocaust denier, but he shouldve been more critical". Also what does this prove?
you still havent provided Jeremy being confronted about this and him stuttering through a response

Yes, of cause him and his political friends denied it, it's called lying. Corbyn can say whatever he wants, his actions speak for themselves. Almost 13 million people have just voted for a terrorist supporting holocaust denier, which is horrifying.

 

[Hoof Hearted]

It's starting to look like there could be a case for involuntary or corporate manslaughter. The cladding used in the Grenfell Tower rennocations is banned on buildings taller than 18 metres.


The cladding used on Grenfell Tower, which has been widely blamed for spreading the blaze, is banned in the UK on buildings of that height, Philip Hammond has said.


The chancellor told BBC1’s Andrew Marr Show: “My understanding is the cladding in question, this flammable cladding which is banned in Europe and the US, is also banned here.


“So there are two separate questions. One: are our regulations correct, do they permit the right kind of materials and ban the wrong kind of materials? The second question is: were they correctly complied with?


“That will be a subject that the inquiry will look at. It will also be a subject that the criminal investigation will be looking at.”
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...enfell-tower-banned-in-uk-says-philip-hammond


The Grenfell group warned the council and the KCTMO, which manages the borough's housing stock, that the building of a school and gym next to the estate would restrict access for the emergency services, including fire engines.


The group ignored the threat from Kensington and Chelsea and no legal action was taken.

Almost four years on, the authorities could find themselves in the dock if any of the various bodies are found to have been in breach of health and safety laws over the 1970s-built tower block as police announced a criminal inquiry is under way.

Labour MP for Tottenham, David Lammy, a barrister by profession, labelled the fire “corporate manslaughter” and called for arrests to be made, although he did not name any individuals.

While the cause of the fire may take time to establish, there could be questions to answer at the level of central as well as local government after it emerged former Conservative housing minister Gavin Barwell delayed a fire safety review following a deadly blaze in Camberwell in 2009 which left six people dead, including three children.

It has also been reported that former housing minister Brandon Lewis “sat on” information and resisted making sprinklers a legal requirement because it would "discourage building”.

John Halford, a public law specialist for Bindmans solicitors, who have acted for the Hillsborough families, among other high-profile cases against public bodies, said there were various ways in which criminal proceedings could be brought against public authorities, if they were found culpable in the catastrophe.

He said the Crown Prosecution Service could use health and safety law to prosecute public bodies, as in the case of Jean Charles de Menezes, an innocent man who was shot dead by anti-terrorist officers at a London tube station.

“There may be some pressure on the health and safety executive over the future taking of criminal proceedings against public authorities if it turns out that the building was not as it should have been legally.

“If it turns out that there is state responsibility, people could also seek compensation under the Human Rights Act – although this is usually not the first thing on people’s minds in these cases.”
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...d-chelsea-council-health-safety-a7792346.html

 

[MayhemMonkey]

The vast majority of people in Northern Ireland want to remain part of the UK. Not that comrade Jeremy cares about inconvenient stuff like democracy or the will of the people. 98.9% of people voted to remain part of the UK in 1973, although the Catholic boycott did contribute to such a wide margin. But the last poll, conducted in 2012, found that only 7% of people in Northern Ireland wanted a united Ireland.

what recent evidence do you have that they want to remain part of the UK? most people in northern ireland seem bored of the loyalists shutting down their entire country whenever a flag is taken down, or they cant march down certain streets

calling him "comrade jeremy" just shows how biased you are on this topic btw

 

[MayhemMonkey]

Yes, of cause him and his political friends denied it, it's called lying. Corbyn can say whatever he wants, his actions speak for themselves. Almost 13 million people have just voted for a terrorist supporting holocaust denier, which is horrifying.

you are an idiot lol

 

[KnightTemplar]

ah, so because he doesnt support British colonialism is the issue? he isnt the only person that supports the idea of a united ireland. Also what do you expect him to do when he was there? get on the mic in front of republicans and start singing god save the queen? dont be ridiculous

face facts, we werent the "good guys" in that conflict.

Hardly; Corbyn refuses to sing the National Anthem at the State Opening of Parliament, never mind in front of a crowd of drunken, pissed-off bog wogs. But then he didn't have to go to the meeting at all. It was his choice. I wonder how many meetings he attended in honour of civilian victims of IRA terrorism, both in NI and on the Mainland? How many times did he stand in honour of British soldiers murdered by the IRA?

Corbyn wanted capitulation, not negiotation. He was only interested in one side, the Republicans.

And we might not have been the good guys, but we were considerably better than the alternative. The B Specials were machine-gunning houses in the Falls Road before the British Army was sent in to restore some semblance of order. And the Catholics welcomed them at first. They wrote, "IRA = I Ran Away" on walls because that's exactly what Corbyn's brave freedom fighters did when the Protestants were carrying out their version of The Purge. If it hadn't been for us, the hard line Loyalists would have carried out the Final Solution to the Catholic Problem.

 

[Hard To Tell]

what recent evidence do you have that they want to remain part of the UK? most people in northern ireland seem bored of the loyalists shutting down their entire country whenever a flag is taken down, or they cant march down certain streets

calling him "comrade jeremy" just shows how biased you are on this topic btw

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/n...s-to-irish-unification-tomorrow-28759983.html

The IRA resorted to terrorism because they couldn't win democratically and they knew it. But people like Corbyn, Abbott and McDonnell portray them as brave freedom fighters, resisting the oppressive tyranny of British colonialism. People like you then blindly lap it up. When the reality is they were a minority of extremist scumbags trying to impose their will on the peaceful majority through violence, intimidation and terrorism.

 

[MayhemMonkey]

Hardly; Corbyn refuses to sing the National Anthem at the State Opening of Parliament, never mind in front of a crowd of drunken, pissed-off bog wogs. But then he didn't have to go to the meeting at all. It was his choice. I wonder how many meetings he attended in honour of civilian victims of IRA terrorism, both in NI and on the Mainland? How many times did he stand in honour of British soldiers murdered by the IRA?

Corbyn wanted capitulation, not negiotation. He was only interested in one side, the Republicans.

And we might not have been the good guys, but we were considerably better than the alternative. The B Specials were machine-gunning houses in the Falls Road before the British Army was sent in to restore some semblance of order. And the Catholics welcomed them at first. They wrote, "IRA = I Ran Away" on walls because that's exactly what Corbyn's brave freedom fighters did when the Protestants were carrying out their version of The Purge. If it hadn't been for us, the hard line Loyalists would have carried out the Final Solution to the Catholic Problem.

you are full of shit, he attempted to make contact with the other side to help broker peace. ask yourself why they didnt respond? because they didnt want peace

capitulation? you are seriously overdramatic, he wanted an end to conflict.

you have a seriously distorted view of the troubles, we were in no way the good guys...... and we in no way made things better. we empowered the paramilitaries, we empowered the orange order and the loyalist community. only an idiot would think we made things better

 

[MayhemMonkey]

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/n...s-to-irish-unification-tomorrow-28759983.html

The IRA resorted to terrorism because they couldn't win democratically and they knew it. But people like Corbyn, Abbott and McDonnell portray them as brave freedom fighters, resisting the oppressive tyranny of British colonialism. People like you then blindly lap it up. When the reality is they were a minority of extremist scumbags trying to impose their will on the peaceful majority through violence, intimidation and terrorism.

I said "recent evidence"..... 2012 isnt recent

the IRA resorted to terrorism because they were treated like 2nd class citizens in their own country................ stop making shit up

 

[Hoof Hearted]

Yes, of cause him and his political friends denied it, it's called lying. Corbyn can say whatever he wants, his actions speak for themselves. Almost 13 million people have just voted for a terrorist supporting holocaust denier, which is horrifying.

All your links proved is that he's not a holocaust denier. He's against terrorism, anyone who says otherwise is either simple or being disingenuous. He even made it part of his manifesto to not support states that have poor human rights record (i.e. terrorist states), which goes against May's policies (see involvement with Saudi Arabia, Syria, Libya etc.).

"Corbyn voted against a bill that would have made it a legal obligation to fit sprinkler systems in all high rise flats."
- And you still haven't provided a source for this, so I can only assume you plucked this information out of thin air.