Media Lomachenko officially retires

I'm glad to see him go out as an elite fighter.

Not good for boxing though as the star ranks are thinning.
 
anyone arguing he wasn't a spectacular fighter is a god damn fool. you can bicker about him being an all time great, but for me personally he fits the bill.

the main knock people have on him is losing a couple of times. that's what happens when you consistently push to fight the best guys available and keep moving through divisions. besides, all his losses were really close, we've never seen him dominated.

great presence in the ring, seems like a decent fella out of it, and i wish him nothing but the best in his retirement.
 
Kovalev's Man Bag said:
Tank vs Loma would've been exciting when that was the fight to make but I actually would've preferred Loma vs Mikey back then. The style clash would've been interesting. Too bad we never got it. At one point in time both were unified champs at LW so they could've fought for undisputed. Instead, Mikey vacated his titles and moved up.
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i always felt like tank just didn't have the mental focus you need to beat someone like lomachenko. when he made 4 people in a row quit on their stool, tank could've easily been one of them. but gervonta and his handlers knew this too, so they ducked him for 10 fucking years with the most ridiculous excuses i've ever heard.

the garcia fight would've been pretty dope, but i think that was always going to be an issue with arum in the picture. not just because of mikey's dispute with him, but more because i doubt bob was willing to risk losing lomachenko. it could've been an awesome fight, when mikey returned to 135 to beat easter, loma had just beaten linares. it was the perfect time to set it up, and i blame arum for it not happening.

mikey basically cashed out 6 months later by going up 2 divisions to get outboxed by spence. such a waste of a career defining fight.
 
randomg1t said:
anyone arguing he wasn't a spectacular fighter is a god damn fool. you can bicker about him being an all time great, but for me personally he fits the bill.

the main knock people have on him is losing a couple of times. that's what happens when you consistently push to fight the best guys available and keep moving through divisions. besides, all his losses were really close, we've never seen him dominated.

great presence in the ring, seems like a decent fella out of it, and i wish him nothing but the best in his retirement.
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Well said, some people are more impressed with a fighter fighting bums just to protect that zero on their record than actually testing themselves.

I stopped following boxing for a long time it was loma who got me interested in it again once I discovered him. He was such exciting and technical fighter for me to watch he made few professional fighters look like amateur in that ring. Wish him best in his retirement, I'll miss seeing him fight.
 
StopDucking said:
Let’s not forget Loma didn’t just fight at 135 lbs, he actually weighs 135 lbs. And all his losses were against opponents who weighed 150-160 lbs on fight night.
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He lost to people in the same weight class. No one missed weight at 135 to fight him. He had no problem beating less talented bigger guys than Lopez. Lopez outboxed him, he didn't use size to beat him.

This is the kind of hyperbole I never cared for with Lomachenko, that probably made me overly critical of what he actually was. Lopez beat him because he's better.
 
Seano said:
He lost to people in the same weight class. No one missed weight at 135 to fight him. He had no problem beating less talented bigger guys than Lopez. Lopez outboxed him, he didn't use size to beat him.

This is the kind of hyperbole I never cared for with Lomachenko, that probably made me overly critical of what he actually was. Lopez beat him because he's better.
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It’s not a hyperbole if it’s true.

Lomachenko was 136 lbs in the ring against Salido who was 147 lbs. Teofimo himself said he came in “light” against Barboza at “only 147 lbs” and was 150 lbs right now. Haney was literally 165 lbs against Prograis. Those are documented numbers.

Somehow you think a guy can only win with skills and a massive weight advantage makes no difference in a fight. If that’s the case, there would be no weight classes.
 
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StopDucking said:
It’s not a hyperbole if it’s true.

Lomachenko was 136 lbs in the ring against Salido who was 147 lbs. Teofimo himself said he came in “light” against Barboza at “only 147 lbs” and was 150 lbs right now. Haney was literally 165 lbs against Prograis. Those are documented numbers.

Somehow you think a guy can only win with skills and a massive weight advantage makes no difference in a fight. If that’s the case, there would be no weight classes.
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Teo has weighed into the 160s. According to him he once said that he could make middleweight and this was 4 years ago.
 
Seano said:
He lost to people in the same weight class. No one missed weight at 135 to fight him. He had no problem beating less talented bigger guys than Lopez. Lopez outboxed him, he didn't use size to beat him.

This is the kind of hyperbole I never cared for with Lomachenko, that probably made me overly critical of what he actually was. Lopez beat him because he's better.
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Lopez was naturally about 15 lbs heavier on fight night (according to Breadman) and was shoving Loma off in the fight. That's using his size advantage. Let's also not forget that Loma injured his shoulder early in that fight. It required another surgery which is well-documented.
 
which reminded me of Junior Jones, that guy had some great scalps on his resume, a super slick fighter who just lost some big fights but was always dangerous
 
Kovalev's Man Bag said:
Teo has weighed into the 160s. According to him he once said that he could make middleweight and this was 4 years ago.
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I know he walks around at 160 lbs but he comes into the ring lighter than that.

He was 160 lbs before his fight with Loma too:
www.espn.com

After all he's dealt with, Teofimo won't have a problem making weight for Loma

Teofimo Lopez is 160 pounds, but after surviving a vicious tornado and enduring a modern plague, his weight isn't going to stop from the biggest fight of his career.
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Seano said:
He lost to people in the same weight class. No one missed weight at 135 to fight him. He had no problem beating less talented bigger guys than Lopez. Lopez outboxed him, he didn't use size to beat him.

This is the kind of hyperbole I never cared for with Lomachenko, that probably made me overly critical of what he actually was. Lopez beat him because he's better.
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It was a fair win, and it makes Loma look weak to make excuses for him. Lopez is exceptional and has shown his class a weightclass up now. No shame in that loss. No one did better than Loma vs Him except Kambosos. Side note: it was a cool fight too, tainted by excuses!!! But when Haney eked that win out, Loma did the next best thing to upsetting Tank or Shakur and destroyed Kambosos who, rate him or not, counts in this spectrum and Loma really made it look easy, why not celebrate that vintage performance as a retirement fight instead of seeing him fight into his 40s as a stepping stone. Nope, gotta make excuses again!!!!!
 
borntoloseNOT said:
It was a fair win, and it makes Loma look weak to make excuses for him. Lopez is exceptional and has shown his class a weightclass up now. No shame in that loss. No one did better than Loma vs Him except Kambosos. Side note: it was a cool fight too, tainted by excuses!!! But when Haney eked that win out, Loma did the next best thing to upsetting Tank or Shakur and destroyed Kambosos who, rate him or not, counts in this spectrum and Loma really made it look easy, why not celebrate that vintage performance as a retirement fight instead of seeing him fight into his 40s as a stepping stone. Nope, gotta make excuses again!!!!!
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Providing proper context is hardly making excuses. The fact of the matter is that Loma was already injured going into the Teo fight. He was receiving shoulder injections 3 weeks out from the fight and 6 weeks. It affected his camp and sparring. Then, during the fight, he injured his shoulder so badly that he needed emergency surgery to repair it less than 48 hours later. All of this is documented. The commission, the anti-doping agency, they were alerted before the fight (for the injections) and there's photos of him in the hospital post-fight along with a public statement from his doctor.

“Six weeks before the fight, Lomachenko was given an injection and alerted both the Voluntary Anti-Doping Association and the Nevada State Athletic Commission.

We lost one week of training. We lost one week of sparring because the doctor forbid him to do much for a week after the injection,” Klimas said.

“A few weeks later, the pain flared up during a sparring session. At that juncture, Lomachenko was given another injection, and his father and trainer, Anatoly, "wanted out of the fight," Klimas said.

Manager: Lomachenko battled shoulder pain in lead-up to Lopez fight

Lomachenko undergoes shoulder surgery after losing lightweight titles to Lopez
 
Kovalev's Man Bag said:
Providing proper context is hardly making excuses. The fact of the matter is that Loma was already injured going into the Teo fight. He was receiving shoulder injections 3 weeks out from the fight and 6 weeks. It affected his camp and sparring. Then, during the fight, he injured his shoulder so badly that he needed emergency surgery to repair it less than 48 hours later. All of this is documented. The commission, the anti-doping agency, they were alerted before the fight (for the injections) and there's photos of him in the hospital post-fight along with a public statement from his doctor.

“Six weeks before the fight, Lomachenko was given an injection and alerted both the Voluntary Anti-Doping Association and the Nevada State Athletic Commission.

We lost one week of training. We lost one week of sparring because the doctor forbid him to do much for a week after the injection,” Klimas said.

“A few weeks later, the pain flared up during a sparring session. At that juncture, Lomachenko was given another injection, and his father and trainer, Anatoly, "wanted out of the fight," Klimas said.

Manager: Lomachenko battled shoulder pain in lead-up to Lopez fight

Lomachenko undergoes shoulder surgery after losing lightweight titles to Lopez
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Lomachenko DISMANTLED Kambosos who humbled Lopez, and you’re telling me the guy who surged a comeback for the majority of the last six rounds of that instant classic showdown he and Lopez had, you want act like that guy was too small and had a hand tied behind his back because you think it makes him look better? This makes his fanbase look ridiculous all over again, he and his team thought he could win, he wasn’t being fed to Teo, it was the other way around. They weren’t destitute with options, he could have fought anyone at that point and drawn an audience. This is just well documented excuses, not well documented context.
 
borntoloseNOT said:
Lomachenko DISMANTLED Kambosos who humbled Lopez, and you’re telling me the guy who surged a comeback for the majority of the last six rounds of that instant classic showdown he and Lopez had, you want act like that guy was too small and had a hand tied behind his back because you think it makes him look better? This makes his fanbase look ridiculous all over again, he and his team thought he could win, he wasn’t being fed to Teo, it was the other way around. They weren’t destitute with options, he could have fought anyone at that point and drawn an audience. This is just well documented excuses, not well documented context.
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You do realize that Teo himself said that Loma was too small and was on the way out before he even fought him? The guy fought an injured fighter and refused to give him a rematch. Period.
 
Kovalev's Man Bag said:
You do realize that Teo himself said that Loma was too small and was on the way out before he even fought him? The guy fought an injured fighter and refused to give him a rematch. Period.
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You’re right, it’s illegal to make weight one day and rehydrate, obviously Lopez cheated. Goddamn him.

Loma fought way too good to cry about an injury, this is just the same crap as after the fight.

You do realize is sucks to cut weight and Loma didn’t have to cut but by your own admission Lopez was ready to leave the division meaning his cut was getting brutal. When you’ve cut weight and your opponent is fresh, this “size” thing y’all are getting at here is a pretty weak excuse. Guys who really gotta cut don’t feel whole, they are drained. Are you telling me a drained husk of a Lopez smacked Loma around beat him to the punch all night while he was feeling the effects of a total draining? This just makes his Kambosos loss make more sense and makes his Loma win sound more impressive. Youre propping up the wrong guy.

Like I said, Loma fought a damn fine career, he doesn’t need a bunch of sympathy points and excuses on his behalf, we all noticed he never got rematches but that has happened to many dangerous boxers in history. Can’t exactly say he’s unique in that regard either.
 
borntoloseNOT said:
You’re right, it’s illegal to make weight one day and rehydrate, obviously Lopez cheated. Goddamn him.

Loma fought way too good to cry about an injury, this is just the same crap as after the fight.

You do realize is sucks to cut weight and Loma didn’t have to cut but by your own admission Lopez was ready to leave the division meaning his cut was getting brutal. When you’ve cut weight and your opponent is fresh, this “size” thing y’all are getting at here is a pretty weak excuse. Guys who really gotta cut don’t feel whole, they are drained. Are you telling me a drained husk of a Lopez smacked Loma around beat him to the punch all night while he was feeling the effects of a total draining? This just makes his Kambosos loss make more sense and makes his Loma win sound more impressive. Youre propping up the wrong guy.

Like I said, Loma fought a damn fine career, he doesn’t need a bunch of sympathy points and excuses on his behalf, we all noticed he never got rematches but that has happened to many dangerous boxers in history. Can’t exactly say he’s unique in that regard either.
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Cope harder
 
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