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LOL @ the Robbie Lawler hype

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Not a troll thread, not a fighter bashing thread. Seriously. This is about the recent hype of Robbie Lawler, which has gotten completely out of control. People are saying he'd beat Rory, he'd beat GSP, he'd beat the top 5, and so on. This isn't criticism of Robbie Lawler (who I wish the best of luck to), but rather a reminder to sherdoggers who think two KO's in a row = worldbeater.

First of all, he does have a nice win over Koscheck, and another nice win over Voelker. But that's it. The Kosckeck win was great for his standing and put him in the top 10 in official rankings, but the win over Voelker means almost nothing. Voelker is not a top 15 guy and has never been. He lost to Patrick Cote in his previous fight, which should say it all. It's a flashy win but it means nothing in terms of rankings.

With that out of the way, let's looking at Robbie Lawler as a fighter. He's young, 31 years old, and is looking good. But his record shows a different story. He went 3-5 in Strikeforce and is 5-5 in his last ten fights. He's lost guys like Lorenz Larkin, Babalu and Tim Kennedy in that streak. These are not top 10 fighters. And that's just his recent fights - if you go back farther you can see that Lawler has always been a 50/50 fighter. One fight he wins, one fight he loses. He's a good fighter, but he's not a consistent fighter. To those introduced to him by his recent UFC results he looks like a superstar, but to those who have been around a bit we know that he gets a nice win or two then crashes back down to Earth in his next fight.

Now to those saying his losses are at MW and his last 2 wins show that he's a beast at WW, remember that he went to MW for a reason. He lost to Evan Tanner, Pete Spratt and was KO'd (!) by Nick Diaz with one punch. It was awhile ago, but he didn't go to MW because he felt it was his natural weight class, he went there because he was chased there. And now he's back to WW and people are thinking that this is his weightclass, this is where he's always belonged, and they don't know why he wasn't always a WW.

When Robbie fights some of higher ranked UFC fighters you are going to see why he's not taken as seriously as some of you may want as a top contender. He's got an impressive skillset which he uses with a lot of aggression and power to finish fights, but against more complete, skilled fighters his gameplan doesn't usually play out the way he wants to. When he wins, he tends to win spectacularly (he does not decision win people), but he also loses about half his fights. His gameplan is too straight forward to work against the top UFC guys, and especially against someone like Rory Mac, who people are thinking is going to lose to Lawler if Dana gets the fight put together like he wants. Rory in particular is too big, too rangy, and too good at keeping distance to lose to Lawler. He just left MW and he's going to beat a massive WW? Smart money is that Rory Mac is a huge favorite in that fight. Same for most other top fights.

That said, Lawler is always entertaining and great to watch. When he wins, he wins in exciting fashion. Just don't forget that he's been here awhile and never really been a contender. Smart money is he ends up ranked 12-15 and sits around there.
 
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Haha I remember this
 
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Lawler would probably beat rory.

GSP well that's another story.

Lawlers got a lot of experience.
 
He'd definitely beat Rory. Lawler has waaaaay better striking and Rory doesnt have the takedown game to stop him. Duh.
 
If I made a

GSP v. Robbie poll

and

GSP v. Rory poll

Less than 20% of the people will pick Robbie in both. And half of the people picking Robbie would be doing so just because they like him more than the other guys.
 
If I made a

GSP v. Robbie poll

and

GSP v. Rory poll

Less than 20% of the people will pick Robbie in both. And half of the people picking Robbie would be doing so just because they like him more than the other guys.

But I would vote for Robbie in both and my vote is the only one that matters.
 
Not a troll thread, not a fighter bashing thread. Seriously. This is about the recent hype of Robbie Lawler, which has gotten completely out of control. People are saying he'd beat Rory, he'd beat GSP, he'd beat the top 5, and so on. This isn't criticism of Robbie Lawler (who I wish the best of luck to), but rather a reminder to sherdoggers who think two KO's in a row = worldbeater.

First of all, he does have a nice win over Koscheck, and another nice win over Voelker. But that's it. The Kosckeck win was great for his standing and put him in the top 10 in official rankings, but the win over Voelker means almost nothing. Voelker is not a top 15 guy and has never been. He lost to Patrick Cote in his previous fight, which should say it all. It's a flashy win but it means nothing in terms of rankings.

With that out of the way, let's looking at Robbie Lawler as a fighter. He's young, 31 years old, and is looking good. But his record shows a different story. He went 3-5 in Strikeforce and is 5-5 in his last ten fights. He's lost guys like Lorenz Larkin, Babalu and Tim Kennedy in that streak. These are not top 10 fighters. And that's just his recent fights - if you go back farther you can see that Lawler has always been a 50/50 fighter. One fight he wins, one fight he loses. He's a good fighter, but he's not a consistent fighter. To those introduced to him by his recent UFC results he looks like a superstar, but to those who have been around a bit we know that he gets a nice win or two then crashes back down to Earth in his next fight.

Now to those saying his losses are at MW and his last 2 wins show that he's a beast at WW, remember that he went to MW for a reason. He lost to Evan Tanner, Pete Spratt and was KO'd (!) by Nick Diaz with one punch. It was awhile ago, but he didn't go to MW because he felt it was his natural weight class, he went there because he was chased there. And now he's back to WW and people are thinking that this is his weightclass, this is where he's always belonged, and they don't know why he wasn't always a WW.

When Robbie fights some of higher ranked UFC fighters you are going to see why he's not taken as seriously as some of you may want as a top contender. He's got an impressive skillset which he uses with a lot of aggression and power to finish fights, but against more complete, skilled fighters his gameplan doesn't usually play out the way he wants to. When he wins, he tends to win spectacularly (he does not decision win people), but he also loses about half his fights. His gameplan is too straight forward to work against the top UFC guys, and especially against someone like Rory Mac, who people are thinking is going to lose to Lawler if Dana gets the fight put together like he wants. Rory in particular is too big, too rangy, and too good at keeping distance to lose to Lawler. He just left MW and he's going to beat a massive WW? Smart money is that Rory Mac is a huge favorite in that fight. Same for most other top fights.

That said, Lawler is always entertaining and great to watch. When he wins, he wins in exciting fashion. Just don't forget that he's been here awhile and never really been a contender. Smart money is he ends up ranked 12-15 and sits around there.

What or who has Rory beat for you to say the smart money is on him, your nuts.
 
But I would vote for Robbie in both and my vote is the only one that matters.

Lol only idiots would pick Robbie against GSP

I'd also pick Robbie for both
 
If I made a

GSP v. Robbie poll

and

GSP v. Rory poll

Less than 20% of the people will pick Robbie in both. And half of the people picking Robbie would be doing so just because they like him more than the other guys.

A lot of people are picking his vs Rory. Even in this thread you can see people shocked that I think Rory would be a favorite. He'd be a giant favorite in my mind.
 
He'd definitely beat Rory. Lawler has waaaaay better striking and Rory doesnt have the takedown game to stop him. Duh.

you serious ? Lawler isn't a great striker. he's powerful and explosive but he wouldn't be able to close the distance on Rory.
He'd get shut down by Rory easily. He's just not that good.
 
I don't think he'll win the title, or go on a division clean out, but styles make fights and I think he can do some damage at WW.

He wouldn't beat GSP, but id give him a chance against most, irrespective of his record. Im not new to Lawler, he was my original favourite fighter back when he knocked out Tiki. His win over Kos proves, on his day, he is dangerous. I took nothing away from the wk end fight in terms of thinking it translates into forming accurate predictions on where he's going.

I think the Rory fight makes sense for both men, and will answer a lot of questions concerning both fighters.
 
Robbie Lawler is finally living up to the hype, the same hype that started almost eleven years ago.
 
you serious ? Lawler isn't a great striker. he's powerful and explosive but he wouldn't be able to close the distance on Rory.
He'd get shut down by Rory easily. He's just not that good.

Yea i'm serious, he would murk Rory standing. And come on, shut him down? Not everybody can be as great as schaub.
 
I don't think he'll win the title, or go on a division clean out, but styles make fights and I think he can do some damage at WW.

He wouldn't beat GSP, but id give him a chance against most, irrespective of his record. Im not new to Lawler, he was my original favourite fighter back when he knocked out Tiki. His win over Kos proves, on his day, he is dangerous. I took nothing away from the wk end fight in terms of thinking it translates into forming accurate predictions on where he's going.

I think the Rory fight makes sense for both men, and will answer a lot of questions concerning both fighters.

It doesn't answer much for Rory now that's he's convincingly beaten Ellenberger. Ellenberger was the "strong KO puncher" test for Rory. That said since Rory won't fight GSP and isn't moving weightclasses yet no fights make sense for him: he should be fighting a #1 contender fight now that he just beat the #5 and is ranked #3, but then that doesn't make sense if he won't fight for the title.
 
I see your point TS, but lawler suffered those losses at 185, so there is reason for him to have hype. And before that when he was at 170, that is just old and he has improved since then.
 
Most of it is in good fun, I mean how often do we get to see Kos get hit that hard in the tennis ball.
 
OP fails to understand the concept that fighters can (yes...actually improve)

Some fighters come into their own later than others

Robbie Lawler is one of them

Robbie would actually take the fight to Rory if it happen not like the Chokanaught
 
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