LOL at Rampage's last Facebook entry about Mo
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Actually, Guida/Pettis exactly. Damage, you say? Guida outstruck him in significant strikes for the match. The fight was not good, and Guida did next to nothing. Pettis did even less. Why should sub attempts count if there is a problem with takedowns and being on top? They don't do damage and anyone can throw up a half-hearted kimura that poses no real threat.
If someone can win by surviving 15 minutes by taking someone down and taking "a nap" on the other person, what does that say about the other person's skills? Who sucks more-the guy taking a nap or the guy who can't fight anymore because someone is "sleeping on him?"
There is a reason why a pin in amateur wrestling is holding your opponent down for 1-2 seconds on his back-it's really hard to actually keep someone there for any length of time if they are really trying to get up. But that presents danger in MMA. So they just lay there, clinging on, hoping the ref stands them up, just trying to survive by holding on. I agree, it's terrible.
Then the fans bug out on the guy on top who won, because they hate to see someone rewarded for a shit fight. Then they say " ahh, a wrestler won a boring fight again!" The thing is, is that it wasn't boring because of wrestling. Again, you don't lay on your back with your legs spread and wrapped around another man in wrestling, where the purpose is to stifle any action whatsoever. If you're deep on a single leg and don't seem to be progressing with it the refs stop it because of a stalemate.
Nobody sees a trip, throw, shot...scramble, escape, reversal etc and starts booing. The crowd almost always boos on the ground when the bottom guy has the top guy wrapped up in the guard and just holds on for dear life.
I don't like watching flipped over turtles, unable to get back up, look like they are getting it missionary. That's why I like amateur wrestling and that's why I like kickboxing. That's why I like those aspect of MMA.
Want to make MMA more exciting? Institute catch wrestling rules into it. You can strike and sub just like before...you can also be on your back if you are in the process of actively working for a submission. You can't just lay there because guess what-you just pinned yourself and lost points. You can bet your ass the overturned turtles will start to move then.
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The truth of the matter is, there is not an epidemic of wrestlers taking people down, getting the shit beat out of them, and then winning the fight...sure, there are claims of it, like Gegard/Mo.
Guess what? It's a myth. Mo landed more significant strikes.
There is an epidemic of wrestlers' opponents acquiescing to defeat, and just trying to survive, creating a boring match. When the opponent is not content baby monkey it, we often get masterpieces like Chandler/Alvarez.
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How the fuck can you make the ludicrous claim that Pettis "did even less" before immediately acknowledging the fact that he was trying to finish the fight by submission? You're arguing on a flawed premise to begin with! Hahahaha just because you don't appreciate them doesn't mean they aren't scoring techniques, and Guida's pitter-patter GnP and hair-shaking was easily as effective as Pettis's submission attempt.
Furthermore, there is a marked difference between simply laying in someone's guard (which is a neutral position), and actually passing their guard to mount or side control so to as BEGIN establishing Top Control. Your flaw is in presuming that Guida is a skilled grappler who has a crushing top game-- he is not, he is a one-dimensional wrestler who is only able to control where the fight takes place because top position and control begins after you pass the guard, not before. Guida never even got top position on Pettis because he got stuck in neutral position.
Therefore, only a shitbag who doesn't understand grappling (like those judges) could score that fight as anything other than a 30-30 Unanimous Draw. You can take someone down but can't actually establish top control? Cool, you don't get a L but you certainly don't get a W either.
The fact of the matter remains that we should not reward wrestlers for having sub-par jiujitsu and failing to pass the guard. The fact that you can win a fight by exploiting judging incompetence through simply maintaining a neutral position is a TRAVESTY.
Why should sub attempts count? Because they are an attempt to finish the fight. On the other hand, when have you ever seen a fighter who was fresh and had a full gas tank be finished with strikes from guard? UFC 10? lol
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Lol is anyone looking at mo's facebook hes arguing with people and calling them fat:icon_chee
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Funny as fuck, but I still gave the fight to Mo and can't see any reason to give it to Rampage
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How the fuck? Pretty simple. Pettis landed 14 damn significant strikes. As little as Guida did, he landed more. Tadaa.
The guard is neutral in BJJ, BJJ has no strikes. MMA does. With striking, you don't want to have someone on top of you. The guard is not neutral in MMA. Guida landed the better shots, which almost always happens from the guy on top.
If it's a neutral position, and they stay like that all night, how does the guy on top have inferior BJJ vs. the guy on bottom? I don't think we should reward BJJ who have sub-par wrestling and can't get up.
Really, let's face the facts. It's beta. It looks weak as hell. Do you think Teddy Roosevelt, Ernest Hemingway would slap a mother fucker in a headlock and take their ass down? You bet. You think they would be butt-scooting like a scared dog, trying to welcome another man into their spread legs? Do I have to answer this?
Why do so many wrestling team rejects who shell out that $150 a month for bi-weekly coed BJJ like to pretend it isn't elements from their sport that makes MMA boring? The guard is boring. That isn't wrestling. Also, look at the unified rules. "the successful execution of a legal takedown" etc.
Well, I think they should count(if they are particularly close), but they almost always do no damage in and of themselves( unsuccessful ones, I mean).
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This fight is getting ridiculous. Wrestling(the actual sport of amateur wrestling) is constant, exhausting action. With immediate separations for stalemates, and points taken away for passivity.
Shit like this, which is what is boring...
...has nothing to do with wrestling. Do people think the guy on top has free rein to do whatever he wants, and simply chooses not to? Do they not realize there is a baby monkey on bottom, clinging, trying to stifle all offense? It takes two to tango, and when your entire offensive output is reliant on the guy separating from you so you can "stand and bang," and go into strict defensive mode otherwise, there is blame that belongs on you for it being boring.
Nobody actually dislikes wrestling in MMA. People dislike boring grappling that gets misattributed to wrestling, because the guy on top usually gets the victory, and is the wrestler. Which is not surprising when the opponent does so little in the way of offense.
For all the talk about Mo's lack of offensive output, what the hell did Rampage do in rounds 1 and 3?
100% this.
Rampage did lose that fight, Mo didn't do much but he did do more.
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Page did no damage in round 3 yet he gets the win? If we are going strictly by damage, round 3 was a draw. But scoring how a fight is actually scored, if two fighters basically did nothing but one at least got a takedown and controlled for over a minute that fighter wins the round. Just because people find ground stalemates boring doesn't mean the fighter shouldn't be rewarded for getting the fight there in the first place.
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Haha man, I love that show and the wayan bros
This fight is getting ridiculous. Wrestling(the actual sport of amateur wrestling) is constant, exhausting action. With immediate separations for stalemates, and points taken away for passivity.
Shit like this, which is what is boring...
...has nothing to do with wrestling. Do people think the guy on top has free rein to do whatever he wants, and simply chooses not to? Do they not realize there is a baby monkey on bottom, clinging, trying to stifle all offense? It takes two to tango, and when your entire offensive output is reliant on the guy separating from you so you can "stand and bang," and go into strict defensive mode otherwise, there is blame that belongs on you for it being boring.
Nobody actually dislikes wrestling in MMA. People dislike boring grappling that gets misattributed to wrestling, because the guy on top usually gets the victory, and is the wrestler. Which is not surprising when the opponent does so little in the way of offense.
For all the talk about Mo's lack of offensive output, what the hell did Rampage do in rounds 1 and 3?
Nice post!
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Yes, it does. Why the hell should you be rewarded for stalling? If Mo had attempted to do some damage to Rampage, fine. But he didn't. He held on to Rampage for dear life out of fear that Rampage would get loose and start punching again. Pathetic.
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LMAO :icon_chee
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Lol, I wonder who made that for Rampage...
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This fight is getting ridiculous. Wrestling(the actual sport of amateur wrestling) is constant, exhausting action. With immediate separations for stalemates, and points taken away for passivity.
Shit like this, which is what is boring...
...has nothing to do with wrestling. Do people think the guy on top has free rein to do whatever he wants, and simply chooses not to? Do they not realize there is a baby monkey on bottom, clinging, trying to stifle all offense? It takes two to tango, and when your entire offensive output is reliant on the guy separating from you so you can "stand and bang," and go into strict defensive mode otherwise, there is blame that belongs on you for it being boring.
Nobody actually dislikes wrestling in MMA. People dislike boring grappling that gets misattributed to wrestling, because the guy on top usually gets the victory, and is the wrestler. Which is not surprising when the opponent does so little in the way of offense.
For all the talk about Mo's lack of offensive output, what the hell did Rampage do in rounds 1 and 3?
I can understand your frustration but if you don't mind I would like to bring up some solid points. In cases where the guy on bottom is clinging on for dear life the referee will give warnings and/or stand the fighters up. There was one warning giving for inaction which was in the third, at which point it was Rampage that forced the issue (and eventually stood up). Also, Mo missed an opportunity to take Rampages back at one point or to land solid shots when Rampage went to his knees to get up. The second point (once again pertaining to the third round) is that after that Mo didn't very little to force the issue and was constantly backpedaling while Rampage forced the issue and (while not doing a whole lot of damage) was engaging Mo. When a referee sees a fighter disengaged (and avoiding the fight) it probably won't end well on the scorecards. My opinion if Mo lands one more takedown and controls for over a minute again, he wins.
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Lmfao
