Movies LOGAN v.2 (Dragonlord's Review)

[Egelo]

Just saw it. Ok, idk what u all are smoking but that movie was NOT all that. It wasnt bad, but not great. It was flat out boring in a lot of parts. and too bleak. The action scenes were good tho. It wasnt joyless like BvS, but it wasnt enjoyable like DOFP or First Class, either. I was actually disappointed. I appreciate making a mature comic movie. But it doesnt have to be so bleak. Batman Begins was mature and wasnt anywhere near as depressing as Logan.

I know most of u love it. I wanted to. But i just didn't.

6/10

See bleak is not a reason its not great given the story of the movie MoS being bleak was, you just prefer the marvel pointless colorful BS.

 

[Agent Mulder's Hair]

See bleak is not a reason its not great given the story of the movie MoS being bleak was, you just prefer the marvel pointless colorful BS.

I have no idea what ur saying here.

 

[mbinder]

The pacing in the first half or so was pretty slow, but I feel like that's the kind of movie it was trying to be. It was basically just a western/road movie about a superhero. I don't think I could see it again anytime too soon, but I give it a 9/10.

 

[HomerThompson]

Just saw it. Ok, idk what u all are smoking but that movie was NOT all that. It wasnt bad, but not great. It was flat out boring in a lot of parts. and too bleak. The action scenes were good tho. It wasnt joyless like BvS, but it wasnt enjoyable like DOFP or First Class, either. I was actually disappointed. I appreciate making a mature comic movie. But it doesnt have to be so bleak. Batman Begins was mature and wasnt anywhere near as depressing as Logan.

I know most of u love it. I wanted to. But i just didn't.

6/10

<{cruzshake}>

 

[MadSquabbles500]

I just watched in theatre by my lonely self. It is a very good movie. One of the best comic book movies, but is not really a comic book movie. It is missing most elements. It has minimal special effects.

This movie felt more like Firestarter than an X-Men movie.

But there is a few things I dont like.

Spoiler

First why not just approach a child welfare group or ethical and moral STEM group? You have all the evidence you need. The experiments were conducted in Mexico, so apparently US wont except it. And why not go to a reporter with the tape recording you have of the experiments? You can blow the whole thing wide open. This isnt even a dystopian world. You still have motels, proms, convenience stores, vegas, and farming.

 

[Anung Un Rama]

Update: March 1, 2017

Dragonlord's Review of LOGAN (No Spoilers)

Bottom Line: Is to superheroes as Unforgiven was to western, Logan brims with masterful acting, visceral savage action, and stirring poignancy; it's a magnificent send-off to Hugh Jackman's Wolverine.

Fox finally did it! They finally made a honest-to-goodness great Wolverine movie. Logan also enters trivia history as one of the rare movies where the 3rd film is better than the first two installments.

After portraying the character for 17 years, Logan is Hugh Jackman's last hurrah as this will be his ninth and final appearance as Wolverine. He might have been vertically wrong for the part and not all the X-Men related movies were keepers, but there's no denying Jackman's performance as Wolverine has been terrific. He exudes the swagger and savagery of the character so splendidly. This Wolverine threequel is no different, Jackman delivers a moving, sublime performance and vulnerability to cap off a tremendous run at the character.

In Logan, the story is set in 2029 where the X-Men are gone, most of the mutants are dead and there's no mutant born in the past 10 years or so. A shell of his former self, Logan is now an alcoholic limo driver. His healing factor is on the fritz and he's slowly dying. Living in an abandoned farm on the Mexican border, Logan is the custodian of a senile Charles Xavier (Patrick Stewart) whose suffering from degenerative disorder. Their lives are threatened by dark forces when a young mutant, Laura, arrives.

Having escaped from the research facility of Transigen, Laura a.k.a. X-23 exhibits the same healing powers as Wolverine as well as being given Adamantium claws of her own. Making her feature film debut, newcomer Dafne Keen plays Laura impeccably. The natural state of her face radiates a feral quality that is unleashed with such ferocity when she explodes into action. Not since the debut of Hit-Girl in 2010's Kick-Ass has such an adorable child character made so much impact on action film.

Chasing after our heroes are the cyborg mercenaries Reavers led by Donald Pierce (Boyd Holbrook). Holbrook's Pierce is an enjoyable lead villain; he plays the role with charm and proficiency. Also really liked the Reavers' distinct but subtle cyberpunk look.

Logan is not only Jackman's last appearance in the X-Men franchise, it's also Patrick Stewart's swan song as he retires from playing Charles Xavier after this. The R-rating not only benefited the film's action sequence but it also allowed Stewart the freedom to cut loose and give a masterful, heartbreaking performance, not to mention the amusement of seeing Xavier cursing. Xavier and Logan also share an amazing chemistry and relationship dynamics that really shines naturally after sharing the screen together for the past 17 years.

Probably one of the most beloved characters in cinema, it's heart-wrenching to see Xavier suffering from debilitating mental disorder. He's such in bad shape that he's now considered as a weapon of mass destruction. Again, Stewart's performance is so superb, it definitely warrants a Best Supporting nod at next year's Oscars.

Though all the supporting characters and actors were adept and written competently, a special nod goes out to Stephen Merchant who plays the mutant-tracker Caliban and co-caretaker of Xavier. The role is not that flashy but Merchant did a remarkable job providing some subtle humor, dramatic moments and great persiflage between him and Logan.

Finally giving fans what they have been craving for - a rated R Wolverine movie, Logan goes all-out in the action department with Wolverine and X-23 graphically slashing people's bodies, slicing off limbs and bloodily skewering their faces. The action and fight scenes are choreographed spectacularly.

There's also a dark and surprising horror element to the film. Composer Marco Beltrami thankfully keeps the heroic music to a bare minimum, focusing more on ominous and foreboding tension.

The ending to the 2nd act felt like the movie's finale which affected the 3rd act. It loses a little steam and feels a tad overdrawn. The 2nd half of Logan also shares a lot of similarities from X-Men Origins: Wolverine and borrows many elements from the terrible first movie (see spoiler thoughts below).

Overall, Logan is to superheroes as Unforgiven was to western; it's a mature, superhero deconstruction film that's part modern nihilistic western (there's even an obvious Shane reference in the film) and part road-trip adventure thriller. The film was derided and belittled by almost everyone during the early stages (guilty), but writer-director James Mangold proves the pundits wrong by crafting one of the best comic book movies ever made.

Rating: 9/10

P.S. there is no post-credits scene.

Spoiler: spoiler thoughts and musings on Logan

As I said above, some parts of Logan's 2nd half eerily reminded of X-Men Origins: Wolverine.

1. The bad guys unleash a genetically modified soulless, killing-machine mutant. In Origins, it was Weapon XI a.k.a. super sucky Deadpool. In Logan, it was the Wolverine clone.

2. Wolverine stays with a family in their farm and the family ends up being killed by the bad guys. In Origins, the Hudsons took Wolverine in and got bullet holes for their troubles. In Logan, Eric La Salle's family invites Wolverine to their home and got a shish kebab'd in the process.

3. Mutant children are being hunted and rounded up by the bad guys. In Origins and Logan, all the mutant kids managed to escape in the end with some using their powers in the process.

Though Logan is not based on Old Man Logan comic book (not even loosely based), there is still a quasi homage to it when it's revealed that Professor X, not Wolverine, killed the X-Men when he suffered one of his seizures.

It's strongly hinted that Charles did something awful to the X-Men and fans will be slowly dreading the reveal during the first hour. But when it's finally revealed that Charles killed them and he finally knows what he did for the first time, that scene was just heartbreaking.

Wolverine can't bear to end Xavier's suffering but he also can't take the risk of Xavier having an episode and killing a lot of people, so he tries to buy that Sunseeker yacht where Charles wills spend his remaining days in the middle of the ocean and away from civilization. Wolverine, who is also slowly and painfully dying due to Adamantium poisoning, will kill himself with the Adamantium bullet after Xavier dies.

There's a twisted but brilliant logic to using X-24 as the final opponent. In some ways, X-24 is Wolverine's darker ego, the uncontrollable berserker animal that he has been struggling to control for all his life and Wolverine's last battle is with himself. In a poetic fashion, Wolverine gets his wish of killing himself in the end through his clone's hands.

The question of where did all the mutants go are answered when it's revealed that Transigen's Zander Rice (Richard E. Grant) genetically modified the crops to suppress the mutant gene and that's why there's no new mutants born. As for the existing mutants, Transigen hunted them down (with the help of Caliban), experimented on them and eventually killed them.

A weakened Logan using a gun to kill Zander Rice and disable Pierce was a surprising move but a nice touch in practicality.

Seeing Wolverine so pathetic at the beginning was sad and amusing at the same time. And Wolverine jumping in front of a bullet to save his limousine from being damaged was funny.

One perplexing question and possible plot hole that bugged me was why didn't the Reavers try to kill X-23 on the spot and instead tried their hardest to capture her. They're just going to kill her when they get back to their headquarters, why not kill her right there and then. Same goes for the mutant children at the end. Why bother capturing them (and risking getting killed themselves) when you're just going to kill the kids back home.

Having the Reavers try to kill the mutant kids at the end instead of trying to capture them would have been much better as it would have raised the stakes and tension even more.

Logan's ending credits used Johnny Cash's "The Man Comes Around." This is the second time they've stolen my idea (the first time was using "Hurt" in the trailer). Damn you, James Mangold! Stop reading my posts! (j/k)

I'll add more later when I have the time.

Spoiler

1) Re: Possible Plot Hole: They were still collecting DNA; so they probably wanted to get their DNA before destroying them.

2) I didn't like the Clone idea. Even if it was symbolic, it felt lazy. A couple of things I felt they could have done in that situation were:
A. cast a 5'3" dude as X24.
B. cast Cyber
C. not cast a major villain; make it about the kids vs. reavers

The only way I would have liked Wolverine vs. X-24 was if they had done a good job of establishing Logan's martial arts skills in the previous 18 Wolverine movies. They Logan could have used his wisdom and self-control to out moxie the Savage Wolverine until gassing and getting impaled on that tree stump.

3) Why did Logan need Caliban again? Hard to imagine him not killing him after what he did.

4) Overall gripe, and this has a lot to do with Hugh's portrayal; when he's not berserker raging, Logan is portrayed as a bitch and it hurt he character all these years. He acts meek and uncertain; 200 yo mutants with a body count in the thousands don't carry themselves like that. And and Uber driver? Gotta be better ways to put together that kind of cash.

Still loved it and I'm not changing my mind.

 

[MadSquabbles500]

Spoiler

1) Re: Possible Plot Hole: They were still collecting DNA; so they probably wanted to get their DNA before destroying them.

2) I didn't like the Clone idea. Even if it was symbolic, it felt lazy. A couple of things I felt they could have done in that situation were:
A. cast a 5'3" dude as X24.
B. cast Cyber
C. not cast a major villain; make it about the kids vs. reavers

The only way I would have liked Wolverine vs. X-24 was if they had done a good job of establishing Logan's martial arts skills in the previous 18 Wolverine movies. They Logan could have used his wisdom and self-control to out moxie the Savage Wolverine until gassing and getting impaled on that tree stump.

3) Why did Logan need Caliban again? Hard to imagine him not killing him after what he did.

4) Overall gripe, and this has a lot to do with Hugh's portrayal; when he's not berserker raging, Logan is portrayed as a bitch and it hurt he character all these years. He acts meek and uncertain; 200 yo mutants with a body count in the thousands don't carry themselves like that. And and Uber driver? Gotta be better ways to put together that kind of cash.

Still loved it and I'm not changing my mind.

Spoiler

Logan is miserable because the adamantium is killing him, and mostly likely causing him pain

 

[Anung Un Rama]

Spoiler

Logan is miserable because the adamantium is killing him, and mostly likely causing him pain

Spoiler

True, but he's also kind of a puss, too. With his experience and abilities he shouldn't be so adrift driving Uber working for tips to make ends meet.
Plus the guy lives in Mexico and he's paying back door nurses in the US for seizure meds? No comprende.

 

[Anung Un Rama]

Something I wanted to say about the ending that made it even more special.

Spoiler

The X grave was such a beautiful touch that perfectly symbolized the 17 years Jackman's been Wolverine. What added even more was the cut to black. It's unheard of for a superhero film to just fut your black like that and leave the audience to soak in everything. No post credit scene made it even better. It truly was the ending of an icon.

Reminded me of:

which was a story about the X-Men vs. the Reavers, so i doubt it was a coincidence.

Saw this earlier today and loved it.

The only dislikes I have are that I do not believe Charles would ever say fuck, even when senile. Also, I think it was a cop out to have Wolverine fight himself.

I did not read Old Man Logan, but I have read Wolverine : The end, which came out only 10 years ago or so. Kind of annoying how there all multiple endings to Wolverine, in the same universe, within a decade or so.

But overall, I loved it. Glad they did not make it as gory as it could have been.

People with dementia oftentimes have anger management issues. That was pretty realistic imo.
Also, I'm not going to search it out, but the moment it was released that Charles was going to have dementia in this movie I commented how scary that would be. Nailed it.

 

[Anung Un Rama]

I just watched in theatre by my lonely self. It is a very good movie. One of the best comic book movies, but is not really a comic book movie. It is missing most elements. It has minimal special effects.

This movie felt more like Firestarter than an X-Men movie.

But there is a few things I dont like.

Spoiler

First why not just approach a child welfare group or ethical and moral STEM group? You have all the evidence you need. The experiments were conducted in Mexico, so apparently US wont except it. And why not go to a reporter with the tape recording you have of the experiments? You can blow the whole thing wide open. This isnt even a dystopian world. You still have motels, proms, convenience stores, vegas, and farming.

def should have been more dystopian.

Spoiler

If you were hiding the son of Wolverine from a cyborg kill squad backed by some billion dollar industry that was obviously backed by the government, you don't trust anybody else and you get Wolverine if you can. That being said, chick should have been making a bee-line to North Dakota instead of waiting around for Logan (although there was the whole paternity thing and I'm sure Charles was playing an unrevealed role while in contact with Laura telepathically.

 

[liljoe]

I just watched in theatre by my lonely self. It is a very good movie. One of the best comic book movies, but is not really a comic book movie. It is missing most elements. It has minimal special effects.

This movie felt more like Firestarter than an X-Men movie.

But there is a few things I dont like.

Spoiler

First why not just approach a child welfare group or ethical and moral STEM group? You have all the evidence you need. The experiments were conducted in Mexico, so apparently US wont except it. And why not go to a reporter with the tape recording you have of the experiments? You can blow the whole thing wide open. This isnt even a dystopian world. You still have motels, proms, convenience stores, vegas, and farming.

Well there wouldn't be much of a movie if that happened, no?

 

[KnightTemplar]

I just watched in theatre by my lonely self. It is a very good movie. One of the best comic book movies, but is not really a comic book movie. It is missing most elements. It has minimal special effects.

This movie felt more like Firestarter than an X-Men movie.

But there is a few things I dont like.

Spoiler

First why not just approach a child welfare group or ethical and moral STEM group? You have all the evidence you need. The experiments were conducted in Mexico, so apparently US wont except it. And why not go to a reporter with the tape recording you have of the experiments? You can blow the whole thing wide open. This isnt even a dystopian world. You still have motels, proms, convenience stores, vegas, and farming.

You lucky bastard. I love being the only one in the cinema

 

[neverwas]

well,looks like I'm not the only one that didn't like it. i guess tis fury road all over again,the masses buying into the hype. and people that didn't being ridiculed because of it.

 

[Deleted member 53199]

well,looks like I'm not the only one that didn't like it. i guess tis fury road all over again,the masses buying into the hype. and people that didn't being ridiculed because of it.

Exactly.

 

[Bullitt68]

It was flat out boring in a lot of parts.

Which parts did you find boring? I thought for a two hour and twenty minute superhero movie it was paced damn near flawlessly. Even the gf, who fucking hates these types of movies and was far from enamored with the film, was surprised at its pacing and how the time absolutely flew by.

and too bleak.

I had a feeling some people would feel this way, which is why I stressed in my review that, while it's rough and brutal, it's not bleak. Hell, hope is the main theme embodied in Laura and emphasized via the concept of Eden.

Batman Begins was mature

A movie about mystery ninjas who destroy civilizations and Liam Neeson reading lines from fortune cookies is not mature. TDK and TDKR were mature, and Logan joins their ranks as legitimately profound cinema in the superhero genre. Batman Begins - at least the origin story proper - was childishly comic booky in the worst sense IMO.

I don't think it'll have much rewatch value, either.

The day after I saw it I already desperately wanted to see it again. For me at least, I expect it'll be the exact opposite and I'll watch this one - and enjoy rewatching it - quite a bit.

well,looks like I'm not the only one that didn't like it. i guess tis fury road all over again,the masses buying into the hype. and people that didn't being ridiculed because of it.

To be fair, I thought Mad Max was pretty terrible (http://forums.sherdog.com/posts/108772271/) but I thought Logan was exceptional.

 

[Nonsense]

well,looks like I'm not the only one that didn't like it. i guess tis fury road all over again,the masses buying into the hype. and people that didn't being ridiculed because of it.

Are we buying into the hype, or do we just like something different than you because movie opinions are subjective?

 

[neverwas]

Are we buying into the hype, or do we just like something different than you because movie opinions are subjective?

that they are,but it seems if you don't follow the masses here,they shit on your opinion.

 

[neverwas]

@Bullitt68 it was boring as shit. even the action scenes where boring.

 

[Dragonlordxxxxx]

Update: March 5, 2017

LOGAN Roars to Massive $85.3 Million Debut, 5th Best for R-Rated Movie

Director James Mangold's Logan howled loudly at the North American box office over the weekend with $85.3 million from 4,071 theaters, the biggest opening of the year so far and one of the top showings of all time for an R-rated film or for a March release.

Logan was also huge overseas, debuting to a near-record $152.5 million from 81 markets for a global launch of $237.8 million. The movie scored $46.2 million in China, where it crushedThe Lego Batman Movie, which bowed to a meager $3.6 million.

Nostalgia, glowing reviews and an A- CinemaScore are no doubt aiding the 20th Century Fox superhero movie, which marks Hugh Jackman's final turn on the big screen as the moody and fierce X-Men superhero Wolverine. (That's according to the actor himself.)

And Logan is another victory for Fox in proving that R-rated superhero films can have sharp claws, following the blockbuster success of last year's Deadpool. Logan, the final title in the spinoff Wolverine trilogy, got the widest release ever for an R-rated title in North America.

Before Logan came along, the top domestic opening of 2017 belonged to The Lego Batman Movie ($83 million). Among other stats: Logan narrowly unseated Fifty Shades of Grey ($85.2 million) to score the fifth-biggest debut for an R-rated film behind Deadpool ($132.4 million), The Matrix Reloaded ($91.8 million), American Sniper ($89.3 million) and thefirst Hangover sequel ($85.9 million), not accounting for inflation.

Weekend Box Office: 'Logan' Sinks Claws Into Huge $85.3 Million U.S. Debut, $237.8 Million Globally

 

[CoolB]

that they are,but it seems if you don't follow the masses here,they shit on your opinion.

From my point of view no one really goes out of their way to shit on your differing opinion unless you enter a thread dedicated to a movie, and has over all good reviews, then proceed to shit on the movie.

Just looking at the poll and the fact it has 22 10's so far what did you expect to happen? Seems almost like you were being an antagonist on purpose. Cheers.