Elections Libertarians - A growing movement against political control

[fedorthegoat777]

Libertarians believe in limited government. It is not anarchy, which means no government. It just means taking the power and control out of the hands of the government and giving it back to the people. Let the people have more of their own money and control their own life, the government does not control you, you are free. A common expression is "F___ the government" It is an anti establishment movement designed to free the lower to upper class. Man is responsible for his own decisions and can do what he wants, while the government will still provide roads and a basic military.

Bill Clinton balanced the budget and Reagan also shrunk the government. This is a movement outside of the Democratic and Republican party. A movement designed to free Americans and let them control their own lives.

Here is what your favorite sports promoter thinks about it:




Out of every dollar you pay in taxes, how much of the money do you think actually goes to something you support? A dime? A nickel? A few pennies? Private industry beats federal spending in every avenue. Libertarians believe more in letting individuals make their own lifestyle choices and state rights rather than relying on federal authority.

 

[mixmastermo]

A lot of libertarians support Donald Trump.. a man who wants all the power to himself. Rand Paul supports Trump. Whats up with that?

 

[fedorthegoat777]

A lot of libertarians support Donald Trump.. a man who wants all the power to himself. Rand Paul supports Trump. Whats up with that?

Yes, Donald Trump would make a terrible Libertarian candidate. He destroyed the Federal budget and obviously likes a lot of control.

Some of my Libertarian friends actually vote Libertarian. Others, knowing that their vote will be wasted by voting for an official Libertarian candidate, will vote for a Democratic or Republican, whoever they think is less worse.

Rand Paul is a Libertarian, but he runs under the Republican banner so that he can get elected, that is why he supports Trump. Trump will turn on people from his own party if they cross him.

 

[mixmastermo]

Ron Paul supported a modern implementation of slavery.

Anyways I'm too tired to go into much detail right now but I've looked into this concept quite a bit over the years and I came to the conclusion that if you were to fully implement libertarianism in a society and economy, you'd ultimately end up with something very similar to feudalism.. where the lords, owners, and corporations have total power and the subjects have no leverage whatsoever.

Even in a regulated economy like in the USA you see unscrupulous behavior among the rich and powerful which has ultimately led to a tremendous disparity in wealth distribution across the country. Take all the protections away and that problem gets significantly worse.

On its face, the concept doesn't sound like a bad idea, but if you start taking into account how shitty powerful people already are... then it doesn't seem as appealing.

 

[fedorthegoat777]

A lot of libertarians support Donald Trump.. a man who wants all the power to himself. Rand Paul supports Trump. Whats up with that?

The voting patterns of Libertarians is pretty interesting. What I found out is that for the people that don't vote for a Libertarian candidate, if social issues are more of their concern, such as legalize all drugs, pro abortion, etc., they are more likely to end up voting Democratic, as that party aligns more with their desires. If they are a business person and don't want the government in their business, they will vote more Republican, as that part aligns more with their desires. They generally complain about whatever candidate is in power, because these candidates go against their core principles.

 

[fedorthegoat777]

Ron Paul supported a modern implementation of slavery.

Anyways I'm too tired to go into much detail right now but I've looked into this concept quite a bit over the years and I came to the conclusion that if you were to fully implement libertarianism in a society and economy, you'd ultimately end up with something very similar to feudalism.. where the lords, owners, and corporations have total power and the subjects have no leverage whatsoever.

Even in a regulated economy like in the USA you see unscrupulous behavior among the rich and powerful which has ultimately led to a tremendous disparity in wealth distribution across the country. Take all the protections away and that problem gets significantly worse.

On its face, the concept doesn't sound like a bad idea, but if you start taking into account how shitty powerful people already are... then it doesn't seem as appealing.

Hmmm. Love to hear about what you think the negative drawbacks would be when you have more energy if you have studied it a lot. Pros and cons are obviously good.

But for the most part, things would look mostly the same. You would still have a military, but it would just shrink, it would be more defensive than offensive. You would still have social care government programs, they would shrink as well. Less career politicians. Less bloated programs. Less sending money overseas and keeping it in house. Taxes would obviously go a lot down, so people have more money to do what they want with. As far as a lot of the social issues we argue about, the federal government would back off and if needed, it would go to State rights.

 

[avenue94]

Hmmm. Love to hear about what you think the negative drawbacks would be when you have more energy if you have studied it a lot. Pros and cons are obviously good.

The major con is the lack of methodological rigor. Aka lots of libertarians are Austrians, which is among the most intellectually bankrupt economic schools and has been for decades.

I spent several years working in libertarian circles, and the amount of otherwise smart people who, for example, think medical licensing should be abolished cuz we have platforms like yelp, would probably shock you.

 

[panem-et-circenses]

Libertarianism is like communism for right-wingers. Once you get past the surface, it breaks down pretty fast.

 

[FIMN]

Nothing says I'm politically ignorant more than when they identify as libertarian.

The whole thing is dumb on its face and gets dumber the closer you look.

 

[Goonerview]

Libertarianism is dumb, use the power of the state for the moral good.

 

[Busgosu]

The cycle is as follows, regardless the country:

• "Entrepeneurs" ask for public finantial support and make use of every single aid to start their endeavours
• If the business is successful they claim to be Libertarian and don't want the government to steal their profits
• If the business fails then they become socialists again and try to socialize the losses

They're down there with the nazis as the people I respect the least

 

[650lb Sumo]

If you use the government to enforce private ownership of the means of production and infrastructure etc. and don't use it to limit the power of the rich you will get something between feudalism and slavery.

 

[Scerpi]

A lot of libertarians support Donald Trump.. a man who wants all the power to himself. Rand Paul supports Trump. Whats up with that?

Anti-establishment

And notice how the establishment - DNC, GOP, FBI… etc immediately started attacking Trump from day one in 2016. With the help of the Cable news and social media

Starting with the garbage Steele hoax

Russian prostitutes and Golden showers?

Lol…

 

[tastaylvr]

Anti-establishment

And notice how the establishment - DNC, GOP, FBI… etc immediately started attacking Trump from day one in 2016. With the help of the Cable news and social media

Starting with the garbage Steele hoax

Russian prostitutes and Golden showers?

Lol…

nothing is more stupid than anti establishment

hurrr durr let’s hate the establishment and change it to a different one

wow we still got an establishment

only the biggest tards tow that line

 

[FIMN]

Anti-establishment

And notice how the establishment - DNC, GOP, FBI… etc immediately started attacking Trump from day one in 2016. With the help of the Cable news and social media

Starting with the garbage Steele hoax

Russian prostitutes and Golden showers?

Lol…

That's what when you have an obviously unqualified demagogue run for office. At least take solace in the fact that the GOP has rolled over.

 

[Mack Yancy]

Libertarians believe in limited government. It is not anarchy, which means no government. It just means taking the power and control out of the hands of the government and giving it back to the people. Let the people have more of their own money and control their own life, the government does not control you, you are free. A common expression is "F___ the government" It is an anti establishment movement designed to free the lower to upper class. Man is responsible for his own decisions and can do what he wants, while the government will still provide roads and a basic military.

Bill Clinton balanced the budget and Reagan also shrunk the government. This is a movement outside of the Democratic and Republican party. A movement designed to free Americans and let them control their own lives.

Here is what your favorite sports promoter thinks about it:




Out of every dollar you pay in taxes, how much of the money do you think actually goes to something you support? A dime? A nickel? A few pennies? Private industry beats federal spending in every avenue. Libertarians believe more in letting individuals make their own lifestyle choices and state rights rather than relying on federal authority.

Are you going to vote for Dave Smith? Do you think that podcaster would make a good president?

 

[Belaya Smert]

Both parties extreme shifts drove millions of middle Americans to become political orphans.
Left in the middle representing the sanest version of a political identity this country has ever seen.

 

[mixmastermo]

Hmmm. Love to hear about what you think the negative drawbacks would be when you have more energy if you have studied it a lot. Pros and cons are obviously good.

But for the most part, things would look mostly the same. You would still have a military, but it would just shrink, it would be more defensive than offensive. You would still have social care government programs, they would shrink as well. Less career politicians. Less bloated programs. Less sending money overseas and keeping it in house. Taxes would obviously go a lot down, so people have more money to do what they want with. As far as a lot of the social issues we argue about, the federal government would back off and if needed, it would go to State rights.

Ok so here's the thing..

What you are talking about "things being mostly the same" with government programs, and I imagine government controlled law enforcement, fire departments, roads, etc. is actually not libertarianism by some definitions.

Some libertarians want to privatize everything- including police departments (it would work like insurance, with competing departments in the same jurisdictions), education, fire departments, and even roads.

Some libertarians want to go so far as to force everyone to do their own homesteading.

There really isn't a united ideology behind the movement, which is why it has never gotten the traction to take off- vastly different interpretations of the idea from people within the party.

Austrian economics has never been proven to work- the idea is that some invisible force would control the market and the market would correct itself when things inevitably go awry. There are plenty of examples in history of this not being the case (stock market crash in the 1920s, Great Recession, etc.) We could have a debate about the government getting TOO involved in the fallout of those events, but ultimately they would have never happened in the first place if the proper protections were in place.

 

[Jack V Savage]

There are different flavors of libertarianism. The TS seems to support goodism. Only have regulations and spending programs that are good, and get rid of the bad ones. I agree with that.

 

[Rob Battisti]

There are different flavors of libertarianism. The TS seems to support goodism. Only have regulations and spending programs that are good, and get rid of the bad ones. I agree with that.

I would also say I’m a goodist. Everything I support is good!