Social Liberals really messed up by supporting Hamas over Israel

[F1980]

If you don't know, there's a thing called the JIDF or Jewish Internet Defense Force. They scour the internet for anything anti semitic or anything that criticizes the state of Israel and they also go after racism on the internet. They report racist or anti LGBTQ postings except for anti white or Anti asian material. They report to moderators and if that doesn't work, they report to admins, and if that doesn't work, they work to pull advertisers from the site. There's only a handful of sites that have survived and one of them is 4chan. They've been trying to take that site down for 20 years.

Now this is just a theory but ever since October 7th, when people of color, LGBTQ, etc.. have come out in support of Hamas over Israel, it's either they stopped defending them or they're overwhelmed with the amount of anti Israel content on the internet. I have seen posts in a lot of the forums I go to that simply will not have been allowed prior to October 7th. Including this very forum.

Jewish people especially Americans are EXTREMELY powerful. Now that people of color and LGBTQ have attacked Israel over the internet, very powerful Jewish businessmen and politicians are now walking back their support for them. They are now starting to want to take down DEI when they used to power money into it.

 

[Sinister]

Lol@the framing

People disagreeing with the Israeli State committing War crimes against Palestinians = supporting Hamas over Isreael.

 

[gspieler]

This was a lose-lose for neolibs, no matter how you slice it. They could've tried to play some sort of middle ground, i.e. appealing to moderation on both sides. Unfortunately, we live in an age where where being moderate on any given issue, is considered a form of oppression.

 

[CatchnShoot]

Cunts on both sides, you shouldn't just blindly support all things Israel, and you should speak against wrongdoing from either side.

 

[gspieler]

Lol@the framing

People disagreeing with the Israeli State committing War crimes against Palestinians = supporting Hamas over Isreael.

Or possibly, leaders of prominent academic institutions not considering rhetoric calling for genocide of Israeli's, a form of hate speech, and unacceptable to be done at the organizations they lead?

 

[spamking]

This should go well . . .

 

[gspieler]

Edit: double-post

 

[Zazen]

Supporting Hamas = being against the slaughter of thousands of children. Not disingenuous at all

 

[Sinister]

Or possibly, leaders of prominent academic institutions not considering rhetoric calling for genocide of Israeli's, a form of hate speech, and unacceptable to be done at the organizations they lead?

If you're referring to those hearings, they were asked if it constituted harrassment or bullying and said it depended on the context. Standing on a corner and shouting that crap at clouds may not be considered harassment if you're not harassing a person directly. This is from The Times of Israel:

"Yet the presidents roundly agreed that antisemitism was a serious problem on their campuses and had grown more severe since Hamas’s October 7 murderous attack on Israel and the start of Israel’s war against the terror group in the Gaza Strip."

"The university leaders all personally criticized anti-Israel activism. Magill condemned a recent pro-Palestinian-led attack on a Jewish-owned restaurant in Philadelphia that had begun with protests bordering her campus. “These protesters directly targeted a center city business that is Jewish- and Israeli-owned, a troubling and shameful act of antisemitism,” she said in her opening remarks."

So yeah, nah. Nice try, though

 

[Rygu]

Both sides have done some nasty shit. If you genuinely think either side is completely innocent of any wrongdoing then you're either really dumb or just in denial.

 

[Cajun]

Or possibly, leaders of prominent academic institutions not considering rhetoric calling for genocide of Israeli's, a form of hate speech, and unacceptable to be done at the organizations they lead?

Its two different things imo. Yes that is unacceptable but that's not everyone. You can both support and criticize a group at the same time. Or you dont support but ultimately are not as extreme as that only that you believe the Israeli govt is and has been doing wrong for a bit. This topic is too large and complex to be so black and white and there are extremes..

 

[HereticBD]

If you're referring to those hearings, they were asked if it constituted harrassment or bullying and said it depended on the context. Standing on a corner and shouting that crap at clouds may not be considered harassment if you're not harassing a person directly. This is from The Times of Israel:

"Yet the presidents roundly agreed that antisemitism was a serious problem on their campuses and had grown more severe since Hamas’s October 7 murderous attack on Israel and the start of Israel’s war against the terror group in the Gaza Strip."

"The university leaders all personally criticized anti-Israel activism. Magill condemned a recent pro-Palestinian-led attack on a Jewish-owned restaurant in Philadelphia that had begun with protests bordering her campus. “These protesters directly targeted a center city business that is Jewish- and Israeli-owned, a troubling and shameful act of antisemitism,” she said in her opening remarks."

So yeah, nah. Nice try, though

Yeah, it was such a great showing, that two of the three women have been removed from their posts.

All in all, it would've been an okay answer if those schools displayed consistency over the 1st amendment, which they absolutely do not, and everybody knows it. They basically just admitted that they pick and choose when to apply free speech standards, and it would appear that calling for the genocide of Jews was more of a grey area than saying there are only two genders, or saying "white lives matter". Not exactly hard to read between the lines.

 

[Islam Imamate]

Lol@the framing

People disagreeing with the Israeli State committing War crimes against Palestinians = supporting Hamas over Isreael.

Supporting Hamas = being against the slaughter of thousands of children. Not disingenuous at all

Sure people cynically accuse pro-Palestine folks of being Hamas supporters but there were lots of idiots who did come out in support of Hamas by posting para-gliders talking about "by any means"

That hurts the cause a lot even if its only a minority.

 

[F1980]

Lol@the framing

People disagreeing with the Israeli State committing War crimes against Palestinians = supporting Hamas over Isreael.

I agree with you. I'll go even further. Jewish people never should been given Israel after WW2. They are more white than anything else. Europe should have taken them all in. That land belongs to the Palestinians. And right now, Israel has gone way overboard in its retaliation over the Oct 7th attack.

Also, university students should be able to say anything and everything they want as long as it's not illegal. Students should be able to be racist, sexist, homophobic, etc.. free speech on campus should be absolute.

 

[AfroBanana]

I think the issue isn’t being simply supportive of Hamas, it’s being anti-Israel and Jewish in the process.

For me personally I’m not all in on this. I can objectively criticize both. But in this particular case one side attacked first in a really shitty way.

The response as expected is brutal and harms innocents and I’m equally disgusted by that. Keep in mind Israel has rockets being launched indiscriminately at them daily. Fortunately for Israel they’re able to defend them and protect their civilians.

They’re also at least making an effort to protect civilians even if it’s yielding some bad results. Hamas wouldn’t care so much in the reverse situation. Hamas and Hesbulla etc would just spam rockets with zero fucks into Gaza and would be straight up trying to genocide them.

For any lib or conservative to be all in on one is silly.

 

[Sinister]

Sure people cynically accuse pro-Palestine folks of being Hamas supporters but there were lots of idiots who did come out in support of Hamas by posting para-gliders talking about "by any means"

That hurts the cause a lot even if its only a minority.

No disagreement there, however criticism of Israel's governance has long been improperly conflated with anti-semitism, which has infiltrated US elections in the form of Pro-Israel PACs and pundits who are ACTUALLY anti-semitic attempting to co-opt the outrage against their political opposition.

 

[mjfan23]

Let’s be like isreal and delete this thread plus the 20 threads before and after it.

 

[mjfan23]

No disagreement there, however criticism of Israel's governance has long been improperly conflated with anti-semitism, which has infiltrated US elections in the form of Pro-Israel PACs and pundits who are ACTUALLY anti-semitic attempting to co-opt the outrage against their political opposition.

Isreal is the worlds biggest war criminal according to UN, has more human rights abuse resolutions against it then rest of the world combined and is regularly condemned in the international court of justice too, currently for genocide.

Being the worst global citizen is acceptable, but you pointing that out is anti Semitism and you should step down for it.

How did you possibly think you can call the world’s most abusive and condemned nation out on their actions?

 

[Andy Capp]

Lol@the framing

People disagreeing with the Israeli State committing War crimes against Palestinians = supporting Hamas over Isreael.

Indeed, who in the actual fuck is coming out in support of Hamas, specifically?

Edit: Aside, hilarious typo btw, initially typed in support of Hams.

 

[Andy Capp]

No disagreement there, however criticism of Israel's governance has long been improperly conflated with anti-semitism, which has infiltrated US elections in the form of Pro-Israel PACs and pundits who are ACTUALLY anti-semitic attempting to co-opt the outrage against their political opposition.

Re: the bold text, that's Netanyahu's doing, pushing the belief at every turn that any criticism of the Israeli government is the same as denying Israel's right to exist. I can't recall if he succeeded but he tried to have a UN resolution passed which said as much, if you can believe that.