Lets use facts and logic

I understand that reasoning, but it does seem to be quite arbitrary. When Nate Diaz walked down Conor or when Nick Diaz walked down Condit it didn't seem to matter. Judges basically just pick a winner and are weighing the judging criteria however they like after the fact. With Jons fight 2 TDs out of 8 (!) attempts without any damage done apparently counted towards him winning the grappling, while Latifi's TDs were worth less and the grappling wasn't as important against Lewis all of a sudden.

This is the reason MMA will never become a top sport, because betting revenues will never become huge if you can get fucked that easily.
Agree completely, the same can be said for the Ewell fight. If he honestly and truly won all three rounds then surely Reyes out points Jones also? I do not have a problem with Jones, the reigning champion, edging a close fight, but the consistency within the scorecards in one single event is becoming downright ludicrous.
 
When one guy handily wins the striking and the grappling is even (or non-existent) then octagon control and aggressiveness don't count

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10-9 Reyes
for outstriking Jon about 27-21
Good post.

This should end any argument who won.
 
It looked like Jones made Reyes miss a ton of those flurries in the second. I’m curious to rewatch this one, I had such a shit view at the bar I was in.

I remember thinkin Reyes was piecing Jones up with the flurries but noticed that most of them were missed or glancing shots in the replays.
 
Accurate as hell breakdown hard to argue but to play devil’s advocate by the fourth round Reyes was in recovery mode, not to say he was not still dangerous however he did not seem effective beyond that thirty second mark and toward the mid way point of the round it could be argued was entirely ineffective due to fatigue.

Agree, and that’s one of the hardest aspects of scoring rounds to me. If a guy looks haggard as shit, is it fair to assume that he’s not landing as hard as his opponent?

For that matter, we know Reyes can knock guys out with his hands. Jones has never shown that. Fair to assume Reyes is hitting harder when the striking numbers are close?

It’s all tricky.
 
"Octagon control" is ever been a retard factor, no idea why was even introduced

Aside that
Reyes 123, wich should have granted him an UD W + a shining belt

Did'nt happened
 
First of all, this wasn't a robbery as people say, its a highly debatable fight was the 2nd round was a very close round. Also, the judge that gave 4-1 Jones needs to retire/resign.
Also, we have an opportunity to watch this fight couple of more times to judge it properly, the judges had to make a decision than (not the 4-1 guy, that was embarrassing).

First round: Reyes caught Jones off guard resulting in a clear 10-9 victory.
Clearly had more shots and he landed better strikes.

Second Round: this was a very close round, Reyes started big landing more shots, Jones controlled the middle of the round with pressure, octagon control and aggressiveness, Reyes than finished strong landing good strikes, the issue with that Jones looked pretty bad when in those exchanges, turning his back and running from the fight.
Because it was a close round and no clear winner, I will say its a 10-10 round but I'm willing to debate this

Third round: I believe Reyes won that with no issue, landed more, was aggressive enough and he won the exchanges, didn't get taken down and defended the wrestling very good. 10-9 Reyes.
It showed a little fatigue when he sat down on the stool so, at that time, I believed this is when Jones takes control of the fight.

Fourth round: Jones won that by good pressure, octagon control, wrestling and was more aggressive. the takedowns were very quick and Reyes got back up immediately but he was getting tired because of this.
Jones 10-9.

Fifth Round: Jones did the same as the fourth, controlled the fight even landed better than Reyes who was obviously fatigued. Reyes still showed prowess when he got back up after several TDs. Still based on the aggression and control, Jones 10-9.

in my opinion and using my bias against Jones but he looked very weak in the last 2 fights he arguably edged both Santos and Reyes, First one by Santos ruining his knees in the middle of the fight and this one as he couldn't Adjust to the fight in time, leaving him exposed.

This is giving the rest of the division hope that they can dethrone him.
Jones is not the same dominating fighter as he was.
USADA, Mileage, not being sharp and using his advantages enough, going into a kickboxing match and looking vulnerable, exposed as his defense is running away sometimes, turning his back to the opponent.
People starting to notice this and I think he is in a position to feel threatened by the competition.

Reyes looked good which means he is hungry for success, his went there and I believe try his shot at winning this fight instead of trying to make one hail mary attempt like Poirer vs Khabib, he went for the long game and unfortunately, he was very close.

Looking forward to a possible rematch and Jan vs. Anderson.
Jones showing weakness makes the LHW much more interesting.

tl;dr?????
 

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