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listrahtes said:
Really does it matter. Both were nobodies. Sure Lee claimed he won. just read how the fight played Out. Its years but I will look it up If I am bored to death.
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Bruce Lee apologising to Wong Jack Man? Don't believe it.

Anyway, Michael Jai White stated far more silly things than that such as: there isn't an MMA fighter that I've not proven myself to go rounds with.

Unless he means rounds where he is getting taken down, ground and pounded, choked, then he is delusional. Otherwise I don't see what has prevented him to go into the octagon and show the world how a striker is able to hang with top level mixed martial artists.
 
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Any other pointers? Adequate rotation/pivot?

I think it looks fairly solid, no?
 
spacetime said:
Yes there is. I am not going to dance around and bob and weave in my apartment like a fucking retard.
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its called shadowboxing. and if you did it, along with everything else your boxing trainer tried to teach you, then you might know what you're doing. The fact that you don't feel comfortable shadowboxing just shows that youre out of practice and none of it comes naturally yet.
 
listrahtes said:
I have been years around bullshido artists and serious martial artists. I know the difference and dont form an opinion lightly. Americans are in a mass hypnosis with Lee because they are celebrity addicted and in this area really shallow (they have other great qualities!) . Lee was brash and cocky with esoteric blabla and later a fake humble personality. Like Steven Seagal and his desparate try to come of as a buddhist deity for some time. Well thats exactly what the media loved.

Most who talk high about Lee profited financially from his myth. There is a reason there are no real fights on video. Its very easy: You are a great fighter with skills then you have documented high profile fights especially as a celebrity like Lee. Only reason not to is if you are too "deadly". These were the 70s not middle age. Its all he said she said and its exactly the way to this day how bullshido artists market themselves. His one inch punch was classic trickster deceiving TMA nonsense. Clever in a way for marketing issues. Lees sole motivation was getting rich and he achieved that. Lets give him that.

There were real prodigies who developed martial arts like John Bluming a hard as fuck Karateka who incorporated takedowns etc. (+ Thom Harinck, Jan Plas...etc) but he is not fancy enough to talk about.

Reality is its the trendy thing to do among martial artists to give Lee credit. Very few think about it. The way how emotional you reacted about some bad actor with a wealth of farytales is the best example.

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Yeah he "studied" them. Thats why he had no fight at all. If you would put the same critical thinking to spacetimes posts than to Lee you would worship him as your new MA god.

I guess this post will earn me some negative points with some.
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So guy on internet with an opinion of a man he never met, sparred, or had a conversation with > everyone who ever did that.

Seems legit Bro.

This reminds me of the time I argued with an atheist who tried to sell me on Isaac Newton being an idiot (partially) because he dabbled in alchemy. I found it interesting he could judge Isaac Newton's perspective without ever having a dialogue with him as he may have been able to explain his own fascination of alchemy. The kid insisted it was just something "stupid" that Newton "believed in"...when I asked him on what basis he was judging and insinuating intellectual superiority over a guy who revolutionized...well, thought, to put it broadly...he didn't have a whole lot to say.

I'll continue to take the word of people who were there, maintain their stories, and do NOT profit from it all that much because frankly no one gives a shit anymore. Except people who want to seem smarter than everyone else, of course. :)
 
Sinister said:
So guy on internet with an opinion of a man he never met, sparred, or had a conversation with > everyone who ever did that.

Seems legit Bro.

This reminds me of the time I argued with an atheist who tried to sell me on Isaac Newton being an idiot (partially) because he dabbled in alchemy. I found it interesting he could judge Isaac Newton's perspective without ever having a dialogue with him as he may have been able to explain his own fascination of alchemy. The kid insisted it was just something "stupid" that Newton "believed in"...when I asked him on what basis he was judging and insinuating intellectual superiority over a guy who revolutionized...well, thought, to put it broadly...he didn't have a whole lot to say.

I'll continue to take the word of people who were there, maintain their stories, and do NOT profit from it all that much because frankly no one gives a shit anymore. Except people who want to seem smarter than everyone else, of course. :)
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Didnt expect this from you to just refer to personal insults with one silly analogy talk to an idiot atheist. Be it as it may. Bruce Lee is no one at all regarding martial arts so I dont give a ****.
If you dont see through the farytales now with Lee I guess you never will .

There are many important people from this time. Just reading Ali vs. Inoki from Josh Gross.

Agree to disagree
 
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ctrlaltdelete said:
its called shadowboxing. and if you did it, along with everything else your boxing trainer tried to teach you, then you might know what you're doing. The fact that you don't feel comfortable shadowboxing just shows that youre out of practice and none of it comes naturally yet.
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I don't give a fuck about shadowboxing. There is no competing for me at age 29. I only wanna bang shit.
 
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spacetime said:
I don't give a fuck about shadowboxing. There is no competing for me at age 29. I only wanna bang shit.
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Sure you can compete if you want. I also just started with boxing, work full time and have other obligations (like Sherdog :D) and they told me no problem I would be paired against someone with same experience in a year from now if I want at a gym gala. Possible everywhere and I am a lot older than you. No better way to see what is really working.

Standard amateur boxing career sure 29 is too old but please thats not really the kind of competition you want.
 
spacetime said:
There is a different culture over here. Boxing was banned for 40 years. There's no money in it. I would also never receive any support from my mother if I stepped into competiton. We already have one in the family who's a fairly high level pro and they are going nuts about him. He also concidered retiring several times due to the head traumas.

I would love to to do a couple if the circumstances were different. KO a couple of dudes Tyson style. Gotta be a great feeling. I have only done street fights but I got a pretty good high from that
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What are you talking about. o_O Its not about money or going pro. And support from your mom what <Lmaoo> Its just a smoker if you want to call it that with an audience. And the motivation for street fights is 100% different from a boxing fight. The one demands endurance, gritt, dedication and ability to learn. The other just to be an asshole.
 
I'm definately going to ask to spar the pros in the new club. I'm curious what level I'm at. We don't need to kill each other to find that out. If he's better than me he can prove it no matter what level of contact.
 
listrahtes said:
What are you talking about. o_O Its not about money or going pro. And support from your mom what <Lmaoo> Its just a smoker if you want to call it that with an audience. And the motivation for street fights is 100% different from a boxing fight. The one demands endurance, gritt, dedication and ability to learn. The other just to be an asshole.
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I was dragged out in my boarding school to fight a dude and absolutely loved it. Never knew I had it in me. It was an amazing confidence boost.
 
listrahtes said:
Didnt expect this from you to just refer to personal insults with one silly analogy talk to an idiot atheist. Be it as it may. Bruce Lee is no one at all regarding martial arts so I dont give a ****.
If you dont see through the farytales now with Lee I guess you never will .

There are many important people from this time. Just reading Ali vs. Inoki from Josh Gross.

Agree to disagree
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First of all, I didn't insult you. I compared your argument to an atheist who called NEWTON an idiot because of one aspect of his existence.

But you reply by saying that Bruce Lee is no one at all in the world of Martial Arts...alright I'll insult you directly now. Youre an idiot, at least on this subject. That statement is egotism of the highest order.
 
Sinister said:
First of all, I didn't insult you. I compared your argument to an atheist who called NEWTON an idiot because of one aspect of his existence.

But you reply by saying that Bruce Lee is no one at all in the world of Martial Arts...alright I'll insult you directly now. Youre an idiot, at least on this subject. That statement is egotism of the highest order.
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QUOTE from an instructor:

There is a video, said to be of him, of him working out on a bag - and it is obvious he is a complete beginner (if this is Lee). All his moves are wrong for boxing or any other fighting method I have seen.

He would have been the same as any other beginner in amateur boxing, if he had ever boxed in the USA."

There's tons of footage of Lee online. You don't need to have been there.
 
spacetime you make my day with your trolling <3
 
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