Let's be honest about Max/Volk

[HP_Nut]

I absolutely believe Max won the 2nd fight & even I don’t think he should ever fight Volk again. Volk dominated the 3rd fight, there is no need for a 4th fight. Volk is very old for FW, it would not shock me if he loses a step or 2 soon & loses his belt to Ilia. Max still has more time

 

[RespectTheWarriors]

Max talked a little smack during a fight, who gives a fuck it's a fight and guys get riled up, outside of combat he is nothing but a class act.

Exactly who gives a fuck. He's not classy so stop insisting on that. He's a professional cagefighter that hands out concussions and lifelong facial scarring while talking smack. He's not a class act unless you have some pathetic lowbar for that.

 

[Kb7]

Volkanovski is just not a good stylistic matchup for Holloway, it's pretty clear who the better fighter is, as Volkanovski sticks to a gameplan and if it isn't working out he has the skills and iq to adjust. But Holloway has proven he trumps over the rest of the Featherweight division, the fighters he fought has proven it.

 

[Luthien]

Topuria flatlines Volk

 

[HolmeZy55]

He's not a class act unless you have some pathetic lowbar for that.

Dude you're a fucking dolt, Max is one of the nicest and most respectful guys on the roster, during a fight is a completely different story as most fighters will say and do shit to get their opponents off their game, all is fair in love and war and all that bullshit.

That's it I am done responding to you, clearly you have NFI what you're talking about.

 

[RespectTheWarriors]

Dude you're a fucking dolt, Max is one of the nicest and most respectful guys on the roster, during a fight is a completely different story as most fighters will say and do shit to get their opponents off their game, all is fair in love and war and all that bullshit.

That's it I am done responding to you, clearly you have NFI what you're talking about.

You're double-digit IQ. You are so insistent that dude is "a class act," "one of the nicest and most friendly" blah blah while I give you concrete examples of him pulling classless moves in competition with literal CTE being the stakes and him being well ahead of his competition while he does it...

You use words without having no conceptual grasp of their meaning... Am I talking to sherdogGPT?

 

[Eric Silva 2.0]

Max was already on a double-digit FW streak in the UFC by the time the older Volkanovski made his UFC debut. 3 of his losses at FW in the UFC were at an age before Volk even made his MMA debut to the likes of Conor McGregor and Dustin Poirier. The other 3 are the Volk fights in question.

Anymore dumb questions?

I would agree with you that if you don't count Max's six losses at FW (3 of them to Volk) then he has the better resume because of the amount of wins.

 

[Soggust]

Max is a HOFer, top 3 FW all-time already and still arguably in his prime.

I agree, for the record, but I'm curious who the two you have above him are at FW?

Well he won the second and was competitive throughout the entire fight in the first so clearly he has something...

Volk figured out Max apparently but somehow Volk cannot be figured despite having more or less the same game and physical attributes with minor tweaks just like Max.

All it takes is one blow on the point of the chin or on the temple and totally different story just like Alex and Izzy. Also an empty 0-3

It's not that you are wrong that it would probably be competitive, it's that you could similarly make the same argument for almost any matchup.

 

[wisdom blows]

Based on the fact that their first 10 rounds were by consensus 5-5 with the only person being rocked and dropped being Volk and Max looking absolutely awful by the standard of any previous or subsequent performance in the trilogy.

It is only MMA fans that refuse to consider the possibility that athletes underperform on a given night.

Volk is literally up 13-2 in rounds and 12-3 if you want to give Max 3 rounds in the second fight. Volk is the better fighter, period.

 

[mangokush]

A 4th fight against Volk will eventually happen because Max is loved by the majority of MMA fans and the UFC consider him marketable

Max is a contender just like they are

Those contenders should not duck him and if they can't beat Max then that is their personal problem and proberly didn't deserve a title shot anyway

Unless Max gets banned at 145, if he keeps winning then he gets another title shot

 

[RespectTheWarriors]

I would agree with you that if you don't count Max's six losses at FW (3 of them to Volk) then he has the better resume because of the amount of wins.

Max lost to Conor and Poirier when he was literally not even a fully grown man. He looked like a teenager. Nowhere near the same fighter. You're bringing an unthinking boxing mentality to losses on a record. Same with Bermudez which was a questionable decision. What Max did at FW is not at all dimmed by those losses.

As far as I am concerned Max has a win over Volk because I go by my own judgement (2 losses as well obviously). So he has losses as basically a child that are a credit to him that they are not amateur fights and be wasn't finished.

Basically the only thing Volk has on him are the head to head.

 

[chinarice]

We accepted a bullshit narrative that Volk got woken up by USADA and had a crap night's sleep in the second fight therefore the robbery was acceptable in hindsight and somehow he was on a totally different level for the third fight because

A) max lost a step
B) Volk got a proper night's sleep
C) Volk is improving at such a rapid pace that 2 competitive prior fights mean notning, he's just on a different level now

I say all of those explanations are exaggerations. Max-Volk 4 is competitive today. Max looked like crap in the trilogy fight - bad night for him. Some of us thought he was going down the Ferguson route after that night but clearly it was uncharacteristic.

Max is still on Volks level but with a resume a million times better while being younger.

Thank you for your time.

Max isnt better in 2023. he already peaked. Volk made KZ look like he wasn't a UFC level fighter....

 

[RespectTheWarriors]

I agree, for the record, but I'm curious who the two you have above him are at FW?

Volk, Holloway, Aldo are all top 3. I'd say Holloway is the best of the 3 against every existing FW but Volk is undefeated in the division and has great wins while Aldo has the most title wins and I think was already out of his prime as a pure fast twitch A-level athlete by the time he was in his late 20 twenties like a lot of similar athletes.

It's not that you are wrong that it would probably be competitive, it's that you could similarly make the same argument for almost any matchup.

It's rare that you have guys fight so many times in or close to their prime. I think it's laughable that there is the rock paper scissors dynamic in the mind of some of them. Volk was in the zone and Max was cold.

It's a foreign concept to some people that just watch MMA. Michael Jordan and Kobe had horrible shooting nights while Brandon Jennings at 19 drops 50+. It's part of athletic competition.

I am saying Max vs Volk 4 would be competitive. I'd take Max on a gut feeling but I think cold analysis should have it at close odds as well.

 

[Ozze]

This thread smell likes those Diaz threads where he was going to win if he just had (insert any number) more rounds. No logic will change TS mind.

One fight he lost but it was close. The other he lost but was robbed. The other he lost but underperformed. If he loses a fourth fight it will be because he was injuried. Fifth will be a short camp. Number six will be family problems and so on...

 

[Psychojoe86]

The most misleading 0-3 anybody with a functioning, analytical mind has ever seen.

I think yer wires are crossed. Volk is clearly better and proved it 3 times.

the only misleading aspect is that it appears to take away from people praising max, since he is clearly the 2nd best featherweight in the world.

I’ll give you this much. It’s possible max could beat him once Volk ages 2-3 years, but I still don’t see it. I’m fact, Volk is showing strong evidence of hanging with even bigger fighters at lightweight

 

[RespectTheWarriors]

I think yer wires are crossed. Volk is clearly better and proved it 3 times.

the only misleading aspect is that it appears to take away from people praising max, since he is clearly the 2nd best featherweight in the world.

I’ll give you this much. It’s possible max could beat him once Volk ages 2-3 years, but I still don’t see it. I’m fact, Volk is showing strong evidence of hanging with even bigger fighters at lightweight

He proved he is clearly better 3 times... clearly better all 3 times...

Listen Volk had a good fight at 155 where he lost 2 rounds to 3 and Max had a good fight at 155 where he lost 3 rounds to 2 as well. I have no reason to think Poirier isn't a worse or better matchup for either guy. Ditto for Islam. Neither man fought Khabib at 155 so the interim and official belts are the same.

 

[Problem24/7]

By your very naive perspective, every bad decision is proof that the undeserved winner is the better fighter. Hey, the record speaks for itself.

Can't argue against that type of poor reasoning.

Listen buddy, you joined the forum this year. You need to have more respect when responding to members. I'm a firm believer in the best being blessed and I love Holloway but you're being an ignorant idiot with these posts.

 

[markg171]

After how he looked against Zombie you must hate Max if you want him to fight Volk again.

 

[RespectTheWarriors]

This thread smell likes those Diaz threads where he was going to win if he just had (insert any number) more rounds. No logic will change TS mind.

One fight he lost but it was close. The other he lost but was robbed. The other he lost but underperformed. If he loses a fourth fight it will be because he was injuried. Fifth will be a short camp. Number six will be family problems and so on...

Diaz bros suck. They lose often and not to the best competition.

Volk was 2-0 in their first two. Won the first fair and square and lost the second fair and square. It only seems unpopular to say sometimes that the judges suck but it doesn't mean anything to me that the second fight was scored for Volk.

So it could have been 0-2 for Volk with poor judging the other way. I don't know why a counterfactual like that is difficult to conceive for you guys.

You remind me of Pereira fans who thought he was legitimately 3-0 and the fact that Izzy rocked him with the exact same punch at the end of the first round and was saved by the bell meant that he was the more dangerous fighter. Except he got killed a few months later. 3-0 meant nothing for anybody that had eyeballs.

 

[RespectTheWarriors]

Listen buddy, you joined the forum this year. You need to have more respect when responding to members. I'm a firm believer in the best being blessed and I love Holloway but you're being an ignorant idiot with these posts.

I joined this forum October 2007