Leaving Neverland...

Did Michael Jackson sexually abuse children?

  • Yes, he did.

  • No, he did not.

  • I don't know.

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Tropodan said:
Yea I dont pretend to know for sure but it's very suspicious to me that he married her right after the 93 allegations.
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Oh I agree, its quite suspicious.

But, Michael was also a very weird guy.

Either way, I wouldn't say its a worthy consideration for if he molested boys.
 
GearSolidMetal said:
Oh I agree, its quite suspicious.

But, Michael was also a very weird guy.

Either way, I wouldn't say its a worthy consideration for if he molested boys.
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True, the marriage in and of itself doesn't speak to the allegations, it only demonstrates he engaged in publicity for his image. He probably would have done it whether he was innocent or not.
 
Tropodan said:
True, the marriage in and of itself doesn't speak to the allegations, it only demonstrates he engaged in publicity for his image. He probably would have done it whether he was innocent or not.
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It was, at worst, a publicity stunt to change the narrative.

Happens in politics all the time.
 
blaseblah said:
My understanding is the guy has had a very successful career.
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blaseblah said:
My understanding is the guy has had a very successful career.
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He had one but by 2011 he was struggling. He tried to get in a MJ project after his death and was told to fuck off. His money was running dry and his marriage was failing when he first sued.
 
Imagine getting your opinions from Netflix documentaries... :rolleyes:

edit: I'm stupid...I thought that's what this was.
 
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Tropodan said:
It looks that way, but if you look at the nuance of it all I think they're telling the truth. Their details of the sexual abuse are too compatible with Micheals psycological profile. If they made it up, they did their homework that's for sure.
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Well they had 10 years to do so, motivation to do so. There's phone conversation of Wade and his mother discussing how good other people's stories were so at least with him we have documentation of him considering how to craft a believable story.
 
GearSolidMetal said:
Not true.

Lisa Marie Presley has stated their marriage was not sexless.

Michael's bodyguards have stated he had multiple girlfriends.


But, on the other side of that coin... I'm curious as to why the kids he had with his wife in the late 90s were not biologically his - she was artificially inseminated with another man's sperm.

The argument that Jackson was chemically castrated has not been completely discredited, IMO. If true, it would mean everybody is lying - his accusers, his ex-wife, and bodyguards.
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Castrated men can absolutely still have sex, (some) maybe not ejaculate? I know of a man without balls who fucks!
 
Tropodan said:
Hahahaha!!

Presley was a publicity stunt to show he wasnt into boys dude.

Was it proven those aren't his kids? I thought that was just a rumor?
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What did she get out of that? She was as rich as he was at the time and it's not like Presley's daughter needs fame.
 
GearSolidMetal said:
Well they had 10 years to do so, motivation to do so. There's phone conversation of Wade and his mother discussing how good other people's stories were so at least with him we have documentation of him considering how to craft a believable story.
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That's interesting. Do you have a link?
 
Phlog said:
Castrated men can absolutely still have sex, (some) maybe not ejaculate? I know of a man without balls who fucks!
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Chemically castrated.

Earlier in the thread someone posted an article supposedly debunking the castration theory, but it was somewhat biased and condescending toward the theory as an impossibility.

But it did quote a medical opinion that a chemically castrated person being able to become erect.

It was just one opinion, and until I read an opposing medical opinion I'm buying it.
 




These showed up now. They had been on the internet all along. They back up Safechuck' story. I must say I was shocked when I first saw it, because much of it confirms the story Jimmy has been telling.

Giving it a bit more though, the Safechucks' all must have been aware that Jimmy made the news that day, I doubt it is a surprise to them that this footage had always been on Youtube. However, why would they not have included the footage in the documentary then?
 
Yari said:


Wonder if this is true
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Dirty little bastard.

Now I'm glad Michael stuck his finger up his arse.

These things are never so Black or white; some of the allegations are likely bullshit, but some of them are likely true.

A grown man, who clearly isn't into women, who openly admits to sharing beds with boys, doesn't spend night after night after night with the little boys and not succumb to his natural physical urges.

You need some serious cognitive dissonance and lack of common sense to not think he was a :eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:phile and likely engaged in sexual activity with some of the boys he slept in beds with.

I wish it weren't true, but one has to concede defeat on this one.
 
DM1982 said:
Dirty little bastard.

Now I'm glad Michael stuck his finger up his arse.

These things are never so Black or white; some of the allegations are likely bullshit, but some of them are likely true.

A grown man, who clearly isn't into women, who openly admits to sharing beds with boys, doesn't spend night after night after night with the little boys and not succumb to his natural physical urges.

You need some serious cognitive dissonance and lack of common sense to not think he was a :eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:phile and likely engaged in sexual activity with some of the boys he slept in beds with.

I wish it weren't true, but one has to concede defeat on this one.
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If it were any other celebrity, no one would believe him
 
GearSolidMetal said:
I was wondering why I hadn't seen this clip before, and I found out why -



@21:40
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This is all well and good - but nothing is gonna be able to debunk Michael himself going on camera, with a little boy resting on his shoulder, and admitting spending numerous nights sleeping in bed with boys.



Good God man, this is practically an admission, what more could you possibly need to see what went on here - a sex tape?

I admire your refusal to believe mainstream narratives, and not blindly believe bullshit and hidden agendas.

But there's nothing disputable here, Michael spent the night in the same bed as little boys on numerous occasions;

Do you truly believe hand on heart Michael never did anything sexually with boys?
 
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