Leaving Neverland...

[bowened]

Part 1 - Posted June 2016

Part 2 - Posted Jan 2019 after the announcement of an HBO documentary with the 2 accusers.

Part 3 - Posted 3 days ago.

I watched all three videos. Really powerful counter arguments.

It makes you realize how one-sided this story has been projected by the media since the very beginning. It's an unfortunate that a glossy, big budget HBO documentary can't examine both sides of the story and that we have to rely some guy broadcasting from his bedroom to hear the other side. Or to even challenge the stories of the accusers in the slightest bit.

 

[Deleted member 457759]

These guys perjured themselves when they were younger so a judge not considering their testimony as credible is perfectly normal and likely doesnt reflect the judges opinion if they're telling the truth.

It just means he cant ethically adjudicate them in court.

So people saying they're lying because a judge wont hear them are wrong.

 

[Phlog]

These guys perjured themselves when they were younger so a judge not considering their testimony as credible is perfectly normal and likely doesnt reflect the judges opinion if they're telling the truth.

It just means he cant ethically adjudicate them in court.

So people saying they're lying because a judge wont hear them are wrong.

No it's just part of a whole picture that paints them as untrustworthy sources.

 

[Diogenes of Sinope]

people are misremembering this case. and MJ's reputation as a whole. the general consensus at the time was that MJ was a weirdo who got away with it. (similar to OJ) everyone knew he did it. once he died his reputation did a complete 180.

 

[Deleted member 457759]

No it's just part of a whole picture that paints them as untrustworthy sources.

Don't you think its typical and totally reasonable though? It's reasonable for them to have hid it until they were older and it's reasonable that they didnt speak up while he was alive. They have no credibility in court.

Given the profile of sexual abuse fits like a latex glove on Micheal.

We are looking at the best master groomer phile in history.

That's my opinion.

Many are afraid to admit it because they at the same time encourage the killing of philes. Killing the biggest star in history who has touched so many lives in a wonderful way is a confusing state for people.

 

[Rozko]

I voted NO, not because I know for a fact (who knows), but because there has been no compelling evidence he molested anyone. A "docummentary" by people who have provided conflicting statements and lied under oath, who then come crawling from under the woodwork once MJ is dead to get some money from his estate is rather shady.

I am subject to change my mind with some real evidence, not a bunch of contradictory he said/she said claims.

He was grilled by a prosecutor on the stand for an extended period of time when he testified. He never budged on the stand under extreme pressure. And the jury believed him. Now that he needs money and the statue of limitations has lapsed he is changing the story.

 

[Phlog]

Don't you think its typical and totally reasonable though? It's reasonable for them to have hid it until they were older and it's reasonable that they didnt speak up while he was alive. They have no credibility in court.

Given the profile of sexual abuse fits like a latex glove on Micheal.

We are looking at the best master groomer phile in history.

That's my opinion.

Many are afraid to admit it because they at the same time encourage the killing of philes. Killing the biggest star in history who has touched so many lives in a wonderful way is a confusing state for people.

No there's too many facts re their stories, changed multiple times, capitalised on for financial gain at a time when Wade was hard up and failing. Texts between his mother and him that indicate guilt. Buying a bunch of MJ memorabilia to burn in the documentary saying it was given to him by MJ. Etc etc. They're trying to hijack the metoo movement, even invited the wan who started that to their premiere.

What is the profile of a typical sex abuser? From what I know, it isn't a fit.

Absolutely no one is afraid to admit if they think MJ was a phile. Him being weird as fuck for two decades and their being allegations and trials gave them ample opportunity. It takes much more balls to admit views to the contrary.

 

[Vitor CroCop]

i stumple upon this video


Is creep as fuck, Mickael saying that is nothing wrong with sleeping with boys, he holding the boy hand together like a man and girlfriend.
The boy resting the head on the shoulder like he was in love.
Saying “If you love me, you’ll sleep in the bed”

Just fuckjng creepy.

 

[Vitor CroCop]

i stumple upon this video


Is creep as fuck, Mickael saying that is nothing wrong with sleeping with boys, he holding the boy hand together like a man and girlfriend.
The boy resting the head on the shoulder like he was in love.
Saying “If you love me, you’ll sleep in the bed”

Just fuckjng creepy.

"If you love me, you'll sleep in the bed". lmfao. You guys are delusional as fuck.

 

[USA!USA!]

How that face didnt scare the children away is the real mystery to me.

 

[minute bull]

Interested parties just need to wait for actual proof beyond unsubstantiated stories. There would be nothing gained by speculating horrific atrocities. The truth will be whatever it's gonna be.

The worst part is if these stories aren't true, then they're just fantasies. Highly detailed cringe porn involving children, which you invited into your life without regard for whether it was true or not. Why burden oneself like that?

 

[Lofeu]

Jackson was touring the UK with his brothers as the Jackson Five when he asked 13-year-old Terry George for his phone number after their first meeting. Jackson would phone him three times a week at 9pm “on the dot.” Terry said: “He’d often ask if my parents were in. And when I explained that they had gone out to play bingo he would relax.”Michael asked him if he was “masturbating” before telling the schoolboy that he was pleasuring himself.Terry told ABC: “He spoke about masturbation. About him masturbating. Did I masturbate?” “I said I didn’t know what he meant. “When I paused he said, ‘Would you believe that I am doing it right now?’ and I could hear down the line he was making strange noises.”

 

[Lofeu]

Crunchy hard underwear with yellow stains on them in his bed.

 

[Phlog]

This is probably the stance I'd find myself in. I do still think it is creepy, but it also makes me wonder why no actual victims have stepped up if things did take place. Actual meaning, people with valid stories, proper timelines, and not all of these shady fuckers that have been all over this for the last 10 years.






I think much of it is shock factor, and people don't care to do any research beyond these 4 hours of documentary. I remember people leaving the Sundance Festival viewing out of shock. I suppose a lot of people just straight out believe anything the media posts, not considering they are just looking for clickbait articles to make profit on.

Edit

Going for max shock value

When he agrees, that's fake as all get out. But then I'm biased, I have motivated reasoning.

 

[blaseblah]

He was grilled by a prosecutor on the stand for an extended period of time when he testified. He never budged on the stand under extreme pressure. And the jury believed him. Now that he needs money and the statue of limitations has lapsed he is changing the story.

My understanding is the guy has had a very successful career.

 

[Deleted member 457759]

No it's just part of a whole picture that paints them as untrustworthy sources.

It looks that way, but if you look at the nuance of it all I think they're telling the truth. Their details of the sexual abuse are too compatible with Micheals psycological profile. If they made it up, they did their homework that's for sure.

 

[DeJulez]

Crunchy hard underwear with yellow stains on them in his bed.

You should learn about the people you are posting about before you make your self look like an idiot.
That lady has already been shown to be full of shit.

 

[GearSolidMetal]

A grown man doesnt sleep with little kids hes guilty on being really creepy alone.

No one is disagreeing with this, but its the #1 example to display how Michael Jackson may have been one of the least self-aware celebrities ever.

Its hard to make a legitimate psychological profile for Jackson because he's a one-of-a-kìnd with his upbringing and adulthood of being an A-list celebrity, but beyond the cliche of him never having a childhood, I believe one of the reasons why he became friends with these families and visited their houses on a regular basis was he wanted to feel like a part of a normal family.

Think about that.

The Jackson household was always hell, with an abusive father, a complacent mother, and five of Micheal's siblings... well, there's mixed reports about exactly how close they were.

Compare the 'normal families' Michael befriended with what he had to grow up with.

Its probable one of the reasons he had so much plastic surgery, beyond the skin condition, was to be white... a member of a not-black non-abusive normal loving family.

He needed to pretend to be a member of a normal family, perhaps to be a CHILD within that family, as a means of therapy - psychological comfort.

So, sleeping with little boys? Yeah, that's weird as fuck.

But did Michael 'cross a line?'

He was certainly right up against it, and moonwalking along the edge.

Well, there's no evidence of Michael crossing that line. Its his word against theirs, their word against his, and people are going to want to believe what he wanted to believe.

 

[GearSolidMetal]

These guys perjured themselves when they were younger so a judge not considering their testimony as credible is perfectly normal and likely doesnt reflect the judges opinion if they're telling the truth.

It just means he cant ethically adjudicate them in court.

So people saying they're lying because a judge wont hear them are wrong.

And they waited exactly seven years after they testified to come forward with their accusations.

Seven years is the statute of limitations for perjury in California.

 

[GearSolidMetal]

Crunchy hard underwear with yellow stains on them in his bed.

Did you watch all 41 minutes of that video?