Leaving Neverland...

[elreece]

I wouldn't let my kids sleep at your house. What does that say about you?

That you think there is a chance im a .

You dont know know me fair assumption, I woudlnt let my kid near you either but these guys are saying that the families new Michael etc etc so he wasnt a stranger.

Ok new question, your family friends with MJ would you let your kid sleep over still and they all stay in the same room/same bed together?

 

[Yari]

But if he is innocent and not a why would it be a problem to let your own kid stay the night?

If you are CERTAIN nothing happened then in theory it wouldn't be a big deal your kid having a innocent sleep over?

I dont believe these 2 guys, but that does not mean my take on MJ having slumber parties with little kids changed at all, I think it is fucked up. I would not want my kid to be a part of that, as much as they may want it.

There are more allegations that I am curious about but for these 2 goofs, there are too many issues in their stories for me to believe it.

 

[TribalDrumz]

But if he is innocent and not a why would it be a problem to let your own kid stay the night?

If you are CERTAIN nothing happened then in theory it wouldn't be a big deal your kid having a innocent sleep over?

Even an 18-19 year old hanging out with 8 year olds in beds and rooms is beyond fucking creepy. This guy was 34!!!!! That would be like me asking my little newphews friends parents if Johnny can stay over tonight and maybe the next 30 days.... and 7 years here and there. so dam weird ,creepy ,wrong.

When you're one of the most powerful famous guys if not the #1 in the World, you obviously don't go to Prison...

 

[DeJulez]

Two separate times they tried to get Jordan Chandler to come to the courtroom.
Jordan fled the country both times.
He also separated from his parents and barely talked to them ever again after the Jackson fiasco.

Safechuck mentions that MJ was begging for him to testify in court for him.
A private investigator said thats stupid and impossible because Safechuck was already ruled to not be accessible during the trial months in advance, so why the hell would MJ try to get him to testify?
Safechuck says that he told MJ no and that he didnt want to be involved.

This documentary sucks. Full of horseshit

 

[DeJulez]

No they are not. You are delusional,.. defending some 34 year old licking boys asses while watching Peter Pan. You should be ashamed of yourself.

Two posts above you shows that hes on his 4th version of the story. Technically the 5th if you count "He never touched me" as his first version.

 

[elreece]

I dont believe these 2 guys, but that does not mean my take on MJ having slumber parties with little kids changed at all, I think it is fucked up. I would not want my kid to be a part of that, as much as they may want it.

There are more allegations that I am curious about but for these 2 goofs, there are too many issues in their stories for me to believe it.

Fair enough, these guys claims might be sketchy but im pretty bloody sure old MJ was inappropriate at some point with some children.

 

[elreece]

Even an 18-19 year old hanging out with 8 year olds in beds and rooms is beyond fucking creepy. This guy was 34!!!!! That would be like me asking my little newphews friends parents if Johnny can stay over tonight and maybe the next 30 days.... and 7 years here and there. so dam weird ,creepy ,wrong.

When you're one of the most powerful famous guys if not the #1 in the World, you obviously don't go to Prison...

I agree its all fucked up!!! Id NEVER let my kid near him, the parents should be charged as well as imo.

 

[DeJulez]

Version 1- MJ never touched me
Version 2- MJ touched me the 2nd night
Version 3- MJ didnt touch me the first two nights. He touched me the following week.
Version 4- I dont remember
Version 5- MJ touched me every night.

 

[Yari]

Also Robson claims Jackson molested him hundreds of times. But he's been at Neverland 14 times, Jackson was almost never there, maybe 4 times at best. According to his own mother. How the fuck does stuff like that add up?

He can go into graphic detail about the abuse but he had lenghty contact with his mother about the most simple encounters that he could not remember. I don't know, I just dont buy it. The dude is waiting for his lawsuit to be reconsidered or whatever you call that, I don't know the exact terms. I wonder if the media shitstorm is going to help him with it, cause that is obvious the intent here.

 

[DeJulez]

Also Robson claims Jackson molested him hundreds of times. But he's been at Neverland 14 times, Jackson was almost never there, maybe 4 times at best. According to his own mother. How the fuck does stuff like that add up?

He can go into graphic detail about the abuse but he had lenghty contact with his mother about the most simple encounters that he could not remember. I don't know, I just dont buy it. The dude is waiting for his lawsuit to be reconsidered or whatever you call that, I don't know the exact terms. I wonder if the media shitstorm is going to help him with it, cause that is obvious the intent here.

MJs main defense attorney, still is adamant that MJ is innocent and still goes out of his way to defend him.

He talks about how the media was really banking on MJ getting prosecuted due to the amount of money that came with it.
The trial, the sentencing and appeals.
He said it wouldve been the biggest sentencing in world history and probably cost the media billions when he was found innocent.

Another reported talked about how years ago she wanted to publish a book that showed MJ was innocent and the publishers said they wouldn't do anything "Pro-Michael"

 

[b-hop]

This narrative how is was a child trapped in man body is ridiculous. I bet all s claim that aswell. And they probably feel like that, but they are not.

 

[DeJulez]

Jordan Chandler fled the country to skip testifying in 2005, which I mentioned earlier.
Tom Mesereau said that had Jordan showed up, Mesereau had a bunch of witnesses ready to talk about how Jordan hated his parents for forcing him to lie and said he would never speak to his parents again.
In 2005, June Chandler said that she hadn't spoken to her son in 11 years.

Anyone care to explain?

 

[Renard]

Have you seen Razorfist's three videos on Michael Jackson?

I used to be in the 'Meh, he probably did it' crowd. But that first video is well researched and very convincing.

The media has made b-b-b-BILLIONS over the past two and a half decades over destroying Jackson.

In the same way Tyson was the perfect 'mark' for a rape accusation, conviction, and civil settlement for tens of millions, Michael Jackson was the perfect 'mark' for phile accusations and civil settlement.

Creepy millionaire with bleached skin and 20 nose jobs transforms his home into a literal children's amusement park... Let that sink in. It's insane that something like that actually happened. It's the dream of every to transform their house into a literal beacon that brings children to them. The media didn't have to lift a finger, MJ delivered the material.

 

[DeJulez]

Creepy millionaire with bleached skin and 20 nose jobs transforms his home into a literal children's amusement park... Let that sink in. It's insane that something like that actually happened. It's the dream of every to transform their house into a literal beacon that brings children to them. The media didn't have to lift a finger, MJ delivered the material.

Let what skin in?
That he had vitiligo?

Its funny that we are putting up actual facts and evidence that supports MJs innocence and the counter argument is that he changed his nose and had a Ferris Wheel.

 

[Yari]

He looked absolutely ridiculous, but I think it was an extremely sad story. He did not want to look like his father.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...-100-operations-d-looked-without-surgery.html



I dont know, I just find that incredibly sad. The guy clearly wasnt happy with his appearance and his addiction to surgery turned him into.. I dont even know.

 

[DeJulez]

He looked absolutely ridiculous, but I think it was an extremely sad story. He did not want to look like his father.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...-100-operations-d-looked-without-surgery.html



I dont know, I just find that incredibly sad. The guy clearly wasnt happy with his appearance and his addiction to surgery turned him into.. I dont even know.

Yea. Those tapes were with Glenda I believe. Didnt play the videos but Im assuming those are the ones.
Her husband thought his wife and MJ were having an affair so he secretly recorded them to listen to later.
They were just friends but he does make some flirty remarks to her like getting in her pants or something.
He also talks about wanting a woman and having a real relationship but that its hard because hes such a global figure.

 

[GearSolidMetal]

Creepy millionaire with bleached skin and 20 nose jobs transforms his home into a literal children's amusement park... Let that sink in. It's insane that something like that actually happened. It's the dream of every to transform their house into a literal beacon that brings children to them. The media didn't have to lift a finger, MJ delivered the material.

Translation -

"Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, the defendant is creepy bastard, has alot of money, has a skin condition and extreme insecurity of his physical appearance he's attempted to fix with dozens of botched plastic surgeries, and owned amusement park rides at his private residence... all is proof he is guilty of fucking little boys."

 

[SaiWa]

He looked absolutely ridiculous, but I think it was an extremely sad story. He did not want to look like his father.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...-100-operations-d-looked-without-surgery.html



I dont know, I just find that incredibly sad. The guy clearly wasnt happy with his appearance and his addiction to surgery turned him into.. I dont even know.

Man he has such a gentle and funny soul...

 

[Yari]

Man he has such a gentle and funny soul...

He really has. Part of me wishes they would have just found some disgusting shit in his place that would have sealed the deal. Because now I am just terribly conflicted. He is either the nicest human being, or amongst the most evil genius philes that ever lived.

The entire "kid in grown man body" sounds so ridiculous hat I have a hard time believing it, but then you see him act the part. Did he keep up the charade all his life?

Here he refers to himself as "uncle doo doo" to his nephew at the age of.. what is it? 49?



Very difficult position this documentary has put me in.

 

[MoparOrNoCar]

No offense taken.

Just list the points you want me to rebut instead of making me guess which part you think is logic versus the parts that are not logic to anyone but you. There's a lot of vague pointing and a stark lack of specificity, and that's all fine and good because discussion is moot. But if you want to throw epithets around like "mental gymnastics" and "waste of time" as though you were not guilty of that yourself, you defeat yourself. We entered into a waste of time -- don't trying cheapshotting your way out of it like your posts were any less of a waste of time than mine when it comes to Michael "Goddamn" Jackson.

Mental gymnastics would be justifying in your head that MJ can't be a because he didn't molest Culkin. Mental gymnastics is not saying that a man who sleeps alone in bed with children is much more likely to be a than a man who doesn't. That's a no shit sherlock type of statement. Not mental gymnastics.

You showed your clearly faulty logic again on the last page when you told another elreece that you wouldn't let your child asleep alone with him, so what does that say about that elreece? It says absolutely nothing about him other than the fact that you don't trust random people to be sleeping with your child because you have no clue who is a and who is not. It's what any normal parent should do. The difference in elreece and MJ is MJ liked sleeping alone with children while elreece clearly does not. Which one has the higher chance of being a ?