Leaving Neverland...

[houjebek]

You have a very delusional understanding of what "proven innocent" means.

They call it: "innocent until proven guilty"
You call a man guilty if enough people accuse the man of something. Now, that is what I call delusional...

 

[blaseblah]

They call it: "innocent until proven guilty"
You call a man guilty if enough people accuse the man of something. Now, that is what I call delusional...

Proven guilty is a completely different thing than proven innocent. And you need to learn that difference.

In 2005, jurors decided that there wasn't enough evidence to proof beyond a reasonable doubt that Michael had abused kids. That doesn't mean he was innocent then. And that doesn't mean he would be given a not guilty verdict today. Heck, several of the jurors admitted they believed Michael had probably abused kids. They just couldn't prove it. It doesn't help his case that since then, two of the people involved have recanted their prior statements and admitted he abused them.

 

[GearSolidMetal]

I'm about to watch Leaving Neverland, but I've always been skeptical about the Michael Jackson accusations.

With the truth recently revealed about Michael Jackson being chemically castrated at a young age to maintain his high voice, so his ability to get an erection and generate ejaculant is in question.

Also, another not-well-known fact is about his kids - they aren't his biological kids. His wife was artificially inseminated with another man's sperm.

He couldn't have sex with his own wife.
He couldn't even masturbate to provide sperm to artificially inseminate his own wife.

So, I'll be watching this documentary, hearing so many of his supposed victims saying Michael raped them, knowing Michael was completely sterile, and none of them are under oath to tell the truth.

 

[houjebek]

Proven guilty is a completely different thing than proven innocent. And you need to learn that difference.

In 2005, jurors decided that there wasn't enough evidence to proof beyond a reasonable doubt that Michael had abused kids. That doesn't mean he was innocent then.

Uh yea that does mean he was innocent.

And that doesn't mean he would be given a not guilty verdict today.

So we are just gonna accuse a innocent person over and over untill we someday might get "lucky" and "win".
What not will happen because they could'nt find anything back then...

Heck, several of the jurors admitted they believed Michael had probably abused kids. They just couldn't prove it. It doesn't help his case that since then, two of the people involved have recanted their prior statements and admitted he abused them.

Again, believe all you want, if you have no prove you have nothing...

It's a very sad thing people just can't let it go. Where is smoke is often fire. But he was declared innocent.
People should respect that.

 

[Individualthoughtpatterns]

I havent watched the documentary, just looks like a hit piece.

I do think MJ never molested children, but never really grew out of being a child himself, because of his father.


EDIT: Watched it, turned my answer to I dont know. Might be bullshit, might not be.

Some people just really want to believe that he didnt do it. Be logical. Of course he did it.

 

[OverCoronavirus Pressure]

I've always thought it was a bunch of bullshit, this hit piece on a dead man changes nothing.

 

[GearSolidMetal]

I've always thought it was a bunch of bullshit, this hit piece on a dead man changes nothing.

A LONG dead man. Its nearly a decade since his death.

Why not nine years ago?

Why not five years ago?

This reminds me of twitter randomly trending a 1971 Playboy interview with John Wayne where he used words that by today's standards would be considered 'racially insensitive.'

Its like today's media giants are trying to make us hate the heroes of America's past.

 

[OverCoronavirus Pressure]

A LONG dead man. Its nearly a decade since his death.

Why not nine years ago?

Why not five years ago?

This reminds me of twitter randomly trending a 1971 Playboy interview with John Wayne where he used words that by today's standards would be considered 'racially insensitive.'

Its like today's media giants are trying to make us hate the heroes of America's past.

Are we really gonna go through fifty years of interviews to seek things to be outraged about by the standards set today?

"Can you believe what John Wayne said fifty years ago?"

"Yes, absolutely. Why does anyone care?"

 

[GearSolidMetal]

Are we really gonna go through fifty years of interviews to seek things to be outraged about by the standards set today?

"Can you believe what John Wayne said fifty years ago?"

"Yes, absolutely. Why does anyone care?"

Pretty much.

So much context is left out of history classes, and the reality of racism throughout the world is not taught to children.

Most countries are segregated, and outsiders (usually of a different color skin) are viewed with suspicion and fear.

But its popular to view old figureheads of past times as evil.

 

[GearSolidMetal]

Corey stepping into the crossfire like

Corey Feldman is the absolute worst person to defend Jackson.

Hell, while reading these tweets I thought 'Michael definitely raped him.'

 

[OverCoronavirus Pressure]

Pretty much.

So much context is left out of history classes, and the reality of racism throughout the world is not taught to children.

Most countries are segregated, and outsiders (usually of a different color skin) are viewed with suspicion and fear.

But its popular to view old figureheads of past times as evil.

But the thing is, even in the '70's as a kid, Wayne was known as a woman hitter and generally a somewhat misogynistic alcoholic asshole. IIRC at a certain point in his career (Rooster Cogburn?) Wayne's directors knew to film his day's scenes before noon because he'd be hammered.

 

[MescalineDreams]

He was framed heavily

sad stuff

 

[GearSolidMetal]

But the thing is, even in the '70's as a kid, Wayne was known as a woman hitter and generally a somewhat misogynistic alcoholic asshole. IIRC at a certain point in his career (Rooster Cogburn?) Wayne's directors knew to film his day's scenes before noon because he'd be hammered.

Well, as Sean Connery once said "Sometimes they keep pushing and pushing, and sometimes they need alittle schlap."

And who doesn't like to drink?

Its not like he's been raping kids. Hey, HBO, when is Kevin Spacey getting his documentary?

 

[Armbars]

I always knew he was liar when in an interview he said that he only had one minor face surgery OP.

After listening to the stories in this 2 part I have no doubt he was a conartist kid fucking creep. I hope he burns in hell.

 

[MescalineDreams]

All this is too weird for me. And all these people too. Hollyweird. Ugh.

heh, tip of the iceberg my friend.

 

[OverCoronavirus Pressure]

Well, as Sean Connery once said "Sometimes they keep pushing and pushing, and sometimes they need alittle schlap."

And who doesn't like to drink?

Its not like he's been raping kids. Hey, HBO, when is Kevin Spacey getting his documentary?

The only person I believe is the only guy I know of who was there, Macaulay Culkin. He says there was nothing inappropriate ever. He seems like a pretty well adjusted man considering his childhood.

 

[GearSolidMetal]

The only person I believe is the only guy I know of who was there, Macaulay Culkin. He says there was nothing inappropriate ever. He seems like a pretty well adjusted man considering his childhood.

Agreed.

If there ever was a child star that should have grown up to be a complete mess, its him.

But, he's damn near 100% normal. Only thing I ever heard him say that was kinda weird was his fascination with mannequins, as mentioned on his interview on Joe Rogan's podcast.

If that's the only thing weird about him, that means he's pretty damn normal.

 

[Armbars]

You guys are neglecting the most important thing about his specific victims.
The grooming effect and vulnerability. He planted seeds, let them embed. He slowly pushed these kids away from their families. Then he slowly started the abuse.

 

[OverCoronavirus Pressure]

Agreed.

If there ever was a child star that should have grown up to be a complete mess, its him.

But, he's damn near 100% normal. Only thing I ever heard him say that was kinda weird was his fascination with mannequins, as mentioned on his interview on Joe Rogan's podcast.

If that's the only thing weird about him, that means he's pretty damn normal.

Yah. He also seems like he'd talk about it and not the type to bottle shame and embarrassment.

You never know, kids get manipulated by glitz and glamor. But to me the whole thing seemed like a headline grabber without much substance to it even back in the day. Yes, MJ was a nut. But a phile, just because he liked having kids around? A grown man who clearly didn't have the childhood he wanted to?

I never thought it had much behind it but gold digging.

 

[GearSolidMetal]

So I've had the first part of 'Leaving Neverland' in the background while surfing Sherdog and at 1:28:13 one of the 'molested' said this -

-"I left Australia as this young fan of Michael Jackson, and came back Michael Jackson's best friend."

Someone off screen - "And his lover."

- (noods) "Yeah, and his lover."

Ummmmm..... does this stand out to anyone else? Throughout all these interviews they could be coached?