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[Andy Capp]

How can that be the case when this isn't even a real issue? That doesn't even matter. That doesn't affect anybody according to you?

The right wing must be doing no harm at all then and you have no right to criticize them under your own criteria.

You grow more disingenuous with every post. You're misstating the position of anyone who doesn't agree with you and this is the most ridiculous abuse of language yet. If you're looking to be completely dismissed as a troll you've done a marvelous job.

 

[Loiosh]

That's weird seeing as how neither of those women is anti-trans. They have been lied about and accused of being anti-trans by the trans activist community dishonestly complete with threats of violence.

If it's true that your algorithm is poisoned, it's only because of liars on the left and certainly not because of these two women.

If you have a point to make about sex matters, go ahead and make it. Im completely open to new information.

You're wrong about them and it has nothing to do with lies from the left.

You're also pretty sly and careful not to share too many of your real opinions, like what you like about Sex Matters and why you support them.

I know why I don't like them, why don't you tell us why you do?

 

[Andy Capp]

If you have a point to make about sex matters, go ahead and make it. Im completely open to new information.

LOL bullshit

I don't know why you've posted that it doesn't make any sense to me.

You basically just want to pretend the right has no position at all and the left is correct but there is crazy crazy stuff going on both sides of that debate and that's why a well reasoned discussion has to happen.

Clear I have no sympathy for anybody that wants to take away protections in the workplace for trans people. It should be illegal to discriminate against trans people for being trans in the workplace and for renting apartments, buying homes, getting loans, getting into colleges, etc.

The nuanced debate happens when it gets to shared spaces and women's spaces like bathrooms, prisons, women's shelters, sports teams, etc.

This is where trans rights conflict with women's rights and a healthy debate needs to take place.

You clearly did not read the information on the linked website.

 

[terrapin]

LOL bullshit

You clearly did not read the information on the linked website.

Try me man. I'm not partisan like you seem to be. I really want to know everything there is to know about these issues.

Speak it and I will read it.

 

[terrapin]

You're wrong about them and it has nothing to do with lies from the left.

You're also pretty sly and careful not to share too many of your real opinions, like what you like about Sex Matters and why you support them.

I know why I don't like them, why don't you tell us why you do?

I don't support sex matters. I only support the woman who's a member of sex matters.

In the videos I've watched which are many, she's never shared a single opinion I don't agree with.

Ask me any question you want about my opinions on specific matters and I will answer them honestly.

There is your chance to find out what I really think.

 

[Deleted member 592570]

Lmao , you're such a clown

Huh? The guy you're quoting actually clicked the links. He actually read the content.

Unlike you.

 

[AnGrYcRoW]

Huh? The guy you're quoting actually clicked the links. He actually read the content.

Unlike you.

Lol I quoted you ffs

Maybe you have me mixed up with another poster , how far in the bag are you ?

 

[terrapin]

I don't support sex matters. I only support the woman who's a member of sex matters.

In the videos I've watched which are many, she's never shared a single opinion I don't agree with.

Ask me any question you want about my opinions on specific matters and I will answer them honestly.

There is your chance to find out what I really think.

@Loiosh

Or maybe rather than asking specific questions you would prefer to leave the innuendo that I'm a bigot which is the most common tactic of the left? On this issue they seem to like to call people bigots and then fail to discuss the details.

It's because by and large they have no logical defendable positions for the most part.

Ask the specific question and I will give you simple specific answers.

 

[terrapin]

You suggested that no change was the position of the right, when their position is to make changes to laws to ensure trans are excluded from the spaces they’ve had access to. And other law changes that are anti-trans including access to treatment.

Why don't you list specifically what trans people should have access to, including your detailed thoughts on bathrooms, sports teams, women's shelters, prisons, rape centers, and also funding targeted specifically for women that men now have access to if they gain legal designation as women.

I would also like to hear about your thoughts on self ID. At what point and with what measure of commitment should a person be able to identify as the other sex?

 

[Loiosh]

@Loiosh

Or maybe rather than asking specific questions you would prefer to leave the innuendo that I'm a bigot which is the most common tactic of the left? On this issue they seem to like to call people bigots and then fail to discuss the details.

It's because by and large they have no logical defendable positions for the most part.

Ask the specific question and I will give you simple specific answers.

I don't have any questions, and I already told you that some of our beliefs have commonality of sorts. I'm probably more flexible with them but I acknowledge they're problematic.

The videos you suggested are not so innocent. Helen Joyce doesn't just work for Sex Matters, she left journalism entirely to campaign for them, and they represent a pretty extreme perspective that just happens to be well packaged.

I asked you what you thought of Sex Matters because they're unequivocal in their mission to remove gender from the conversation and reduce the number of trans people as much as possible. Kathleen Stock supports Helen Joyce and that mission.

I respect their intelligence and the way they express their arguments but their rhetorical excellence suggest they know exactly what they're doing and it isn't good. As others have pointed out they aren't sociologists and their expertise isn't in determining the greater good, it's in being convincing. That makes them dangerous.

 

[terrapin]

I don't have any questions, and I already told you that some of our beliefs have commonality of sorts. I'm probably more flexible with them but I acknowledge they're problematic.

The videos you suggested are not so innocent. Helen Joyce doesn't just work for Sex Matters, she left journalism entirely to campaign for them, and they represent a pretty extreme perspective that just happens to be well packaged.

I asked you what you thought of Sex Matters because they're unequivocal in their mission to remove gender from the conversation and reduce the number of trans people as much as possible. Kathleen Stock supports Helen Joyce and that mission.

I respect their intelligence and the way they express their arguments but their rhetorical excellence suggest they know exactly what they're doing and it isn't good. As others have pointed out they aren't sociologists and their expertise isn't in determining the greater good, it's in being convincing. That makes them dangerous.

Well, if you're going to accuse her of having extreme positions then you can list those extreme positions.

I would like to address those specifically.. each one. Especially the dangerous ones.

I ask this because the people that violently made Kathleen stock leave her position as a professor also accused her of such things and could not come with up with one single extreme view.


This is your time to pony up with some specific details that are "dangerous"

@Loiosh what happened? Let's here the great dangers!!! List the main positions that are secretly designed to cause harm.

@Loiosh -- weird man. i bet you have so many examples that you cannot get it all organized. im wondering when you will release the kraken.

 

[kflo]

Why don't you list specifically what trans people should have access to, including your detailed thoughts on bathrooms, sports teams, women's shelters, prisons, rape centers, and also funding targeted specifically for women that men now have access to if they gain legal designation as women.

I would also like to hear about your thoughts on self ID. At what point and with what measure of commitment should a person be able to identify as the other sex?

I linked to a website that discusses bathrooms. I agree with what’s included in that link for the most part. What do you object to in that link?

 

[terrapin]

I linked to a website that discusses bathrooms. I agree with what’s included in that link for the most part. What do you object to in that link?

There are some things I object to in that link.

First of all, data that reveals who does attacks in women's bathrooms has been often proven to be pretty faulty.

This is because if it is a trans person, a man who thinks they are a woman who attacks someone in a women's bathroom the report often doesn't say trans person. It says malfeasant or predator.

So it turns out that standards for reporting these kinds of crimes are not consistent across the board and have been proven to reveal a lot more problems than initially thought. These problems with statistics are discussed by both speakers that I have linked.

But also there's no way it should be reduced to if someone gets raped in a bathroom. For women and girls, there should be no chance that a man is in the restroom to rape or harm them. I don't believe that they should take any risk at all for men who are abusers.

Look for my edit as I'm on my phone and I have to go back now but I will add more.

Stating that there have never been any rapes in bathrooms for the decades that trans people have been using. The restrooms is also a deceptive tactic based on what I said above and based on this following piece of information. There have been a tiny, tiny fraction of percentage of people identifying as trans in the past. Statistically that would make a text quite low, wouldn't it?? But now you have a massive upswing in people identifying as trans and so obviously problems can now begin to reveal themselves.

@kflo

Stating that privacy is not an issue for women and speaking for women who disagree just because there are stalls to protect them from prying eyes is also a ridiculous statement... Any stall, in america that I have ever been in in any state has gaps you can look through and that's just the kind of thing a male sexual predator would do.

Most stalls also have space above and below the walls and doors that you can look through or put a cell phone through. It is literally comical to pretend there's no privacy issue, it's just a lie people tell and it's despicable.

There is a long history of women fighting for restroom separate from men along women's rights. Feminist history that is just being thrown in the face of women who fought so hard to even get private spaces where men weren't in charge of them.

Also, women don't have to justify why they don't want men hearing them fart.

Basically nearly every paragraph in that statement leaves out very important details in order to promote one perspective.

@kflo

 

[kflo]

There are some things I object to in that link.

First of all, data that reveals who does attacks in women's bathrooms has been often proven to be pretty faulty.

This is because if it is a trans person, a man who thinks they are a woman who attacks someone in a women's bathroom the report often doesn't say trans person. It says malfeasant or predator.

So it turns out that standards for reporting these kinds of crimes are not consistent across the board and have been proven to reveal a lot more problems than initially thought. These problems with statistics are discussed by both speakers that I have linked.

But also there's no way it should be reduced to if someone gets raped in a bathroom. For women and girls, there should be no chance that a man is in the restroom to rape or harm them. I don't believe that they should take any risk at all for men who are abusers.

Look for my edit as I'm on my phone and I have to go back now but I will add more.

Stating that there have never been any rapes in bathrooms for the decades that trans people have been using. The restrooms is also a deceptive tactic based on what I said above and based on this following piece of information. There have been a tiny, tiny fraction of percentage of people identifying as trans in the past. Statistically that would make a text quite low, wouldn't it?? But now you have a massive upswing in people identifying as trans and so obviously problems can now begin to reveal themselves.

@kflo

I’m not sure what part of the link I provided this post is addressing. Can you be more specific as to what you’re responding to in the link? Anything else you want to address in the link?

Here it is in its entirety:

Bathroom access for transgender people has recently become a focal point of conversation and debate. This page includes information for transgender people and allies on responding to various questions and concerns regarding bathroom access.

If you need more information on what it means to be transgender, visit Frequently Asked Questions about Transgender People. For more information on how to be supportive of transgender people, visit Supporting the Transgender People in Your Life: A Guide to Being a Good Ally.

Transgender-inclusive policies are not a safety risk.

If they were, we would know by now, as transgender people have been using public bathrooms and locker rooms for decades. Policies that allow transgender people to use the correct bathroom—the bathroom that best matches the transgender person’s identity—do not legalize harassment, stalking, violence, or sexual assault. Those behaviors are, and will continue to be, against the law for anyone, anywhere.

Hundreds of cities, school districts, and 18 states already protect transgender people's right to use restrooms, and none have seen a rise in incidents of people attacking anyone or of people pretending to be transgender in order to get access to restrooms.

Similarly, law enforcement officials and sexual assault advocates in states and cities that already have trans-inclusive policies in place have said over and over: the claim that these policies cause safety problems is absurd and completely false.

Forcing transgender people to use private or separate bathrooms is not the solution.

Offering separate or private bathrooms is a great way to ensure anyone can feel comfortable when they go to the bathroom, whether or not they're transgender. However, private bathrooms may be unavailable or very inconvenient to access. More importantly, forcing transgender people to use private bathrooms when other people do not have to is isolating and reinforces the idea that transgender people are somehow harmful and should be kept separate from everybody else.

Excluding transgender people from public restrooms does not protect anyone’s privacy.

Lots of people feel uncomfortable in public restrooms, and that was true long before the current public debates about access for transgender people. Transgender people also want privacy in bathrooms and they use the bathroom for the same reason as everyone else: to do their business and leave. Thankfully, bathrooms have stall doors so this is not an issue. Opponents of equal rights are using a desire for privacy—without discussing what privacy truly means—as a way to harm transgender people.

We can have productive and respectful conversations about how to make restrooms and locker rooms more comfortable for everyone, without making it about transgender people.

Allowing transgender people to use the correct bathroom does not mean women will have to share bathrooms with men, or vice-versa.

Transgender-inclusive policies do allow for men’s and women’s rooms, and do not require gender-neutral bathrooms. Instead, transgender-inclusive policies allow all people—including transgender people—to use the bathroom that best matches their gender identity. Those who are living as women use the women’s room, and those that are living as men use the men’s restroom.

For many non-binary people, figuring out which bathroom to use can be challenging.

For non-binary people, who don’t identify fully as either male or female, using either the women’s and the men’s room might feel unsafe, because others may verbally harass them or even physically attack them. Non-binary people should be able to use the restroom that they will be safest in. Learn more about non-binary people at Understanding Non-Binary People: How to Be Respectful and Supportive.

Nondiscrimination laws don’t violate anyone’s religious freedom.

Everyone—including transgender people—should be treated equally under the law. Like all nondiscrimination protections, trans-inclusive policies don’t require anyone to change their religious beliefs: they simply ensure that transgender people can live, work, study and participate in public life according to their identities.

Transgender people may have some legal protections, but still need strong and comprehensive nondiscrimination laws and cultural acceptance to truly thrive.

Laws alone won’t protect transgender people without increased public awareness, outspoken allies, and a society that values the dignity of transgender people.

​

 

[terrapin]

I’m not sure what part of the link I provided this post is addressing. Can you be more specific as to what you’re responding to in the link? Anything else you want to address in the link?

Here it is in its entirety:

Bathroom access for transgender people has recently become a focal point of conversation and debate. This page includes information for transgender people and allies on responding to various questions and concerns regarding bathroom access.

If you need more information on what it means to be transgender, visit Frequently Asked Questions about Transgender People. For more information on how to be supportive of transgender people, visit Supporting the Transgender People in Your Life: A Guide to Being a Good Ally.

Transgender-inclusive policies are not a safety risk.

If they were, we would know by now, as transgender people have been using public bathrooms and locker rooms for decades. Policies that allow transgender people to use the correct bathroom—the bathroom that best matches the transgender person’s identity—do not legalize harassment, stalking, violence, or sexual assault. Those behaviors are, and will continue to be, against the law for anyone, anywhere.

Hundreds of cities, school districts, and 18 states already protect transgender people's right to use restrooms, and none have seen a rise in incidents of people attacking anyone or of people pretending to be transgender in order to get access to restrooms.

Similarly, law enforcement officials and sexual assault advocates in states and cities that already have trans-inclusive policies in place have said over and over: the claim that these policies cause safety problems is absurd and completely false.

Forcing transgender people to use private or separate bathrooms is not the solution.

Offering separate or private bathrooms is a great way to ensure anyone can feel comfortable when they go to the bathroom, whether or not they're transgender. However, private bathrooms may be unavailable or very inconvenient to access. More importantly, forcing transgender people to use private bathrooms when other people do not have to is isolating and reinforces the idea that transgender people are somehow harmful and should be kept separate from everybody else.

Excluding transgender people from public restrooms does not protect anyone’s privacy.

Lots of people feel uncomfortable in public restrooms, and that was true long before the current public debates about access for transgender people. Transgender people also want privacy in bathrooms and they use the bathroom for the same reason as everyone else: to do their business and leave. Thankfully, bathrooms have stall doors so this is not an issue. Opponents of equal rights are using a desire for privacy—without discussing what privacy truly means—as a way to harm transgender people.

We can have productive and respectful conversations about how to make restrooms and locker rooms more comfortable for everyone, without making it about transgender people.

Allowing transgender people to use the correct bathroom does not mean women will have to share bathrooms with men, or vice-versa.

Transgender-inclusive policies do allow for men’s and women’s rooms, and do not require gender-neutral bathrooms. Instead, transgender-inclusive policies allow all people—including transgender people—to use the bathroom that best matches their gender identity. Those who are living as women use the women’s room, and those that are living as men use the men’s restroom.

For many non-binary people, figuring out which bathroom to use can be challenging.

For non-binary people, who don’t identify fully as either male or female, using either the women’s and the men’s room might feel unsafe, because others may verbally harass them or even physically attack them. Non-binary people should be able to use the restroom that they will be safest in. Learn more about non-binary people at Understanding Non-Binary People: How to Be Respectful and Supportive.

Nondiscrimination laws don’t violate anyone’s religious freedom.

Everyone—including transgender people—should be treated equally under the law. Like all nondiscrimination protections, trans-inclusive policies don’t require anyone to change their religious beliefs: they simply ensure that transgender people can live, work, study and participate in public life according to their identities.

Transgender people may have some legal protections, but still need strong and comprehensive nondiscrimination laws and cultural acceptance to truly thrive.

Laws alone won’t protect transgender people without increased public awareness, outspoken allies, and a society that values the dignity of transgender people.

​

Every single thing I wrote is a direct response to that link. Have you even read it?

 

[terrapin]

Here is a sane stable transperson giving level headed perspectives. Very refreshing.

But lefties will somehow find a way to call her a bigot lol.

 

[terrapin]

Here Veronica says that he is a real woman period... no discussion. Says racism is behind denying this lol!!

Also says White women's "conceptions" of femininity are behind wanting to protect cis white womens "fragility and weakness" against men competing against them!!!! The balls on this dude calling women fragile and weak because they dont want to compete against him.

Look at the size of this dude!!! You can't make this stuff up!!!

 

[kflo]

Every single thing I wrote is a direct response to that link. Have you even read it?

What you wrote just suggested that either rapes by trans people is under reported or will increase with more trans people, no? That addresses this section (below)? What’s the takeaway and implications from what you wrote?

Transgender-inclusive policies are not a safety risk.

If they were, we would know by now, as transgender people have been using public bathrooms and locker rooms for decades. Policies that allow transgender people to use the correct bathroom—the bathroom that best matches the transgender person’s identity—do not legalize harassment, stalking, violence, or sexual assault. Those behaviors are, and will continue to be, against the law for anyone, anywhere.

Hundreds of cities, school districts, and 18 states already protect transgender people's right to use restrooms, and none have seen a rise in incidents of people attacking anyone or of people pretending to be transgender in order to get access to restrooms.

Similarly, law enforcement officials and sexual assault advocates in states and cities that already have trans-inclusive policies in place have said over and over: the claim that these policies cause safety problems is absurd and completely false.​

 

[terrapin]

What you wrote just suggested that either rapes by trans people is under reported or will increase with more trans people, no? That addresses this section (below)? What’s the takeaway and implications from what you wrote?

Transgender-inclusive policies are not a safety risk.

If they were, we would know by now, as transgender people have been using public bathrooms and locker rooms for decades. Policies that allow transgender people to use the correct bathroom—the bathroom that best matches the transgender person’s identity—do not legalize harassment, stalking, violence, or sexual assault. Those behaviors are, and will continue to be, against the law for anyone, anywhere.

Hundreds of cities, school districts, and 18 states already protect transgender people's right to use restrooms, and none have seen a rise in incidents of people attacking anyone or of people pretending to be transgender in order to get access to restrooms.

Similarly, law enforcement officials and sexual assault advocates in states and cities that already have trans-inclusive policies in place have said over and over: the claim that these policies cause safety problems is absurd and completely false.​

Yes, that is the section I addressed. What I can't understand is why you can't understand what I wrote and can't respond with your own words.

 

[kflo]

Here Veronica says that he is a real woman period... no discussion. Says racism is behind denying this lol!!

Also says White women's "conceptions" of femininity are behind wanting to protect cis white womens "fragility and weakness" against men competing against them!!!! The balls on this dude calling women fragile and weak because they dont want to compete against him.

Look at the size of this dude!!! You can't make this stuff up!!!

While I don’t agree with this persons position on sports, you using “he” and “dude” is…….interesting…..