Crime Las Vegas Mass Shooting

[Iceberg Slim]

21.5 years since Australias last mass shooting.
Answers exist if you actually want them.

A quick google search says otherwise. Are these not true? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_massacres_in_Australia

September 2014 - A Mass shooting and Familicide by Geoff Hunt who killed his wife and three children before turning the gun on himself

In december 2014 - A lone gunman, Man Haron Monis, held hostage ten customers and eight employees of a Lindt chocolate café located at Martin Place in Sydney, Australia. The NSW Special Tactics Force shot Monis dead, after he executed a hostage. In the melee five others were shot by Police fire, causing accidental death to one of them.

January 2016 - damien Little drove the family station wagon with his two sons (toddler and infant) off the wharf. A rifle had been found in the car and an autopsy "revealed they had all been shot before" the car entered the water.

 

[Falsedawn]

And you agree with Roe v Wade, so...

Quote me.

 

[AviatorShades]

This is sarcasm, right?

read his entire post history for more laffs

 

[My Spot]

Quote me.

http://forums.sherdog.com/posts/117825349/

 

[Ruprecht]

A quick google search says otherwise. Are these not true? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_massacres_in_Australia

September 2014 - A Mass shooting and Familicide by Geoff Hunt who killed his wife and three children before turning the gun on himself

In december 2014 - A lone gunman, Man Haron Monis, held hostage ten customers and eight employees of a Lindt chocolate café located at Martin Place in Sydney, Australia. The NSW Special Tactics Force shot Monis dead, after he executed a hostage. In the melee five others were shot by Police fire, causing accidental death to one of them.

January 2016 - damien Little drove the family station wagon with his two sons (toddler and infant) off the wharf. A rifle had been found in the car and an autopsy "revealed they had all been shot before" the car entered the water.

It's the definition of "mass shooting" that disqualifies them. Same with the Monash University shooting. 4 fatalities to qualify.

 

[Rational Poster]

This is sarcasm, right?

Ask Australia.

 

[Strychnine]

I'm sure this has probably been said but it's a loooong thread.

I think that he might've lost big at the tables and

So I have two really good friends who originally lived in Vegas. Gave the one I'm closest with the head's up the morning it happened. He's part of a Whatsapp group of guys I text pretty much daily. He was a member of the Sherdog Clash of Clans clan (and trolled the shit out of me as leader all the time). I once posted a video of his blindfolded knife skills on the Dog. Of course he jumped on his phone, and was relieved to inform us that none of his immediate family were harmed.

Today, we got an update. Two of his cousins were shot. One was shot in the leg. The other is one of the 59.

I'm praying that they have a quick and full recovery.

 

[Rational Poster]

read his entire post history for more laffs

Everyone listen to this guy and hate me so much that you browse my Sherdog post history.

I really want all the Trump-bots and Nazis in here to spend at least an hour a day reading through my 18,000 posts on Sherdog MMA forums.

Also, please create custom images just to show everyone how much you hate me and how much my opinions hurt your feelings.

 

[Iceberg Slim]

Ask Australia.

I did, and people are still getting shot there. They're also getting burned, gassed, stabbed and run over.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_massacres_in_Australia

 

[Rational Poster]

I did, and people are still getting shot there. They're also getting burned, gassed, stabbed and run over.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_massacres_in_Australia

By my count they've had less people killed in spree shootings in 22 years than the killer last week.

Seems like Australia is on to something, yeah?

 

[Iceberg Slim]

Everyone listen to this guy and hate me so much that you browse my Sherdog post history.

I really want all the Trump-bots and Nazis in here to spend at least an hour a day reading through my 18,000 posts on Sherdog MMA forums.

Yea, that's pretty lame. Just to be fair, not everyone that appreciates their gun rights is a trump bot or even a republican for that matter.

 

[Falsedawn]

http://forums.sherdog.com/posts/117825349/

That constitutes being a fan?

Fuck outta here trashbag.

 

[Iceberg Slim]

By my count they've had less people killed in spree shootings in 22 years than the killer last week.

Seems like Australia is on to something, yeah?

That's great. But that doesn't mean it will work here to that degree or at all. They don't border mexico for one thing.
I'm not that familiar with live down under but here in North America, when something is outlawed, a new black market opens.
I do think we should have better controls and even more importantly training.

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[HIMBOB]

A quick google search says otherwise. Are these not true? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_massacres_in_Australia

September 2014 - A Mass shooting and Familicide by Geoff Hunt who killed his wife and three children before turning the gun on himself

In december 2014 - A lone gunman, Man Haron Monis, held hostage ten customers and eight employees of a Lindt chocolate café located at Martin Place in Sydney, Australia. The NSW Special Tactics Force shot Monis dead, after he executed a hostage. In the melee five others were shot by Police fire, causing accidental death to one of them.

January 2016 - damien Little drove the family station wagon with his two sons (toddler and infant) off the wharf. A rifle had been found in the car and an autopsy "revealed they had all been shot before" the car entered the water.

3 events for a total of 7 killed plus 2 suicides plus 1 innocent shot by police and 1 shooter killed by police.

Not really mass shootings imo.

Maybe the hunt one could be described as such but 1 or 2 people shot by the murderer really is expanding the definition beyond any meaning.

 

[Slippery Kantus]

read his entire post history for more laffs

Lmao!

 

[faustian]

The framers chose to write it that way as a consequence of states presumably not being able to call forth the militia to put down slave rebellions. The original wording utilized "Country", not "State". The entire discussion surrounding the 2A was as to what circumstances the militia could be called instead of whether or not keeping and bearing arms was to be enshrined for individuals.

It's been perverted into an individual right as we've disregarded their intention of not having a standing army, but to act as if it was intended to mean an individual right is a retcon born entirely out of Scalia's reasoning in DC vs Heller.

You guys are quoting the amendment without any of the historical context, much like Justice Scalia the "originalist" who couldn't find himself considering the initial intentions of the militia when broadly ruling that the 2A conferred an individual right.

Yeah nope

Article I, Section 8 (ratified in 1788): Congress has the power to declare war, raise armies, suppress rebellions, organizing militias, etc

The Bill of Rights was later added for the specific purpose of guaranteeing state and individual rights. That's when we got the 2nd Amendment. So your claim here that the 2nd A was originally intended to enumerate a federal power rather than individual right literally makes zero sense.

But let's go ahead and take a trip to bizarro world anyways and change the language:

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free Country, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

Changes absolutely nothing in regards to individual rights. You're inventing a nonexistent state vs fed argument and using it to dismiss individual Constitutional protections. Very strange

"You guys are quoting the amendment without any of the historical context"

This literally made me laugh

"It's been perverted into an individual right as we've disregarded their intention of not having a standing army, but to act as if it was intended to mean an individual right is a retcon born entirely out of Scalia's reasoning in DC vs Heller."

Seriously man what the hell. I legit don't even know where to begin


How about we start with you actually reading the Second Amendment

Then check the date of Heller

Then ask someone how US law is created


Let's start with this. Then we can further explore why your assertions are utter bullshit by getting into the reasoning behind them. Not sure if the full Heller opinion is available to plebs online so PM me if you want a copy of the real deal.

Don't get discouraged, if you have trouble with this first assignment just let me know and I'll do whatever I can to misdirect you. Then I will besmirch you.

 

[Rational Poster]

That's great. But that doesn't mean it will work here to that degree or at all. They don't border mexico for one thing.
I'm not that familiar with live down under but here in North America, when something is outlawed, a new black market opens.
I do think we should have better controls and even more importantly training.

I

Just because we don't know how it's going to work or what degree it's going to work doesn't mean we should just throw our hands up and accept the status quo.

Many countries around the world have very different relationships with guns and most are doing much better than we are and we could probably learn a thing or two.

 

[Slippery Kantus]

Yeah nope

Article I, Section 8 (ratified in 1788): Congress has the power to declare war, raise armies, suppress rebellions, organizing militias, etc

The Bill of Rights was later added for the specific purposes of limiting the power of the Federal Gov and guaranteeing state and individual rights. That's when we got the 2nd Amendment. Your claim here that the 2nd A was originally intended to enumerate a federal power rather than individual right literally makes zero sense.

But go let's ahead and take a trip to bizarro world anyways and change the language:

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free Country, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

Changes absolutely nothing in regards to individual rights. You're inventing a nonexistent state vs fed argument and using it to dismiss individual Constitutional protections. Very strange

"You guys are quoting the amendment without any of the historical context"

This literally made me laugh

"It's been perverted into an individual right as we've disregarded their intention of not having a standing army, but to act as if it was intended to mean an individual right is a retcon born entirely out of Scalia's reasoning in DC vs Heller."

Seriously man what the hell. I legit don't even know where to begin


How about we start with you actually reading the Second Amendment

Then check the date of Heller

Then ask someone how US law is created


Let's start with this. Then we can further explore why your assertions are utter bullshit by getting into the reasoning behind them. Not sure if the full Heller opinion is available to plebs online so PM me if you want a copy of the real deal.

Don't get discouraged, if you have trouble with this first assignment just let me know and I'll do whatever I can to misdirect you. Then I will besmirch you.

He will just post a pic and tell you to fuck off, like he does every other time he is cornered and degraded on here for his idiotic statements.

 

[floivanus]

Ok, so not enough time to get a stamp.

Different sources saying last june or October.

Brother who originally said the shooter didn't like guns gave a second interview saying 'he tried the bumpfire stocks, and didn't really like them' or something to that effect

 

[HIMBOB]

I did, and people are still getting shot there. They're also getting burned, gassed, stabbed and run over.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_massacres_in_Australia

You were never good with maths were you.