LA Times Bill Plaschke blasts Ronda Rousey for deciding to fight Holly Holm

Based God said:
It seems a little shady the UFC already announced Rousey vs. Tate III then magically make the change. Seems Ronda made that decision not the UFC.
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If she did make the decision, it's probably so she can go on interviews and say "this fight is the greatest challenge I've ever faced.", and have people who don't know MMA believe it. Obviously that would be a hard sell if the opponent is someone she's already beaten twice. Even though IMO Tate is obviously a more accomplished MMA fighter and would be a more difficult challenge.
 
Montecristo said:
Things don´t have to make sense in the UFC, they have to make MONEY.

Let´s see recent events:

DC fighting for the belt after losing a title fight didn´t make sense.

Gustafsson fighting for the title after hometown first round KO loss didn´t make sense.

Interim belt to Conor being that there is an active champion who had fought not too long ago who could (and will) fight soon after makes no sense (other than commercial $$$ )

Cain gaining a rematch after being out so long they created an interim belt (after 2 years out) and after he took a a loud beating and got finished in his 'hometown' doesn´t make sense.

And so on.
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Yes exactly it has to make financial sense, and a fight with an athlete they don't plan on using after the event doesn't make long term sense. Zuffa isn't in a position they need short term gain with a high risk low reward type of fight. They are a very successful business for a reason, making smart business decisions, a fight above 135 with their current structure would go down in the history as one of the dumbest business moves in recent memory
 
Sounded like a valid point to me. Although, I see no point in her fighting Meisha again... Meisha was rocked hard by McMann. She couldn't finish Rin Nakai. She had moments against Eye but overall it was underwhelming. Couple those with the fact that she's lost to Ronda twice... I'm just not psyched for it.
 
I WILL CUT YOU said:
Ronda doesn't fight part time fighters. That's Cyborg. Faith Van Duin has 2 years experience. Tweet was 6-4 and 38 years old. Muxlaw is a fitness instructor.

All that shit about Ronda fighting soccer moms, part time fighters, and cans is false.
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Now you are just being a White Knight.

Let´s see only Ronda´s last fight, highly promoted, her biggest ($$$) fight until now, that took her name to another level in the mainstream and to casual fans: Bethe Correa.

Bethe Correa NEVER TRAINED ANY MARTIAL ARTS, OR DID ANY PHYSICAL ACTIVITY for that matter until 3 years ago she decided to join a gym to get in shape because she was fat. She is an accountant.

Beating Bethe elevated Ronda´s name to a new, higher level, WORLDWIDE but no one talks about the fact that Ronda is a FULL TIME FIGHTER since she was 16 yo and started training at 9 yo i think, facing a woman who has 3 years training mma like 2 hours a day.
 
My reaction is that yes, Holm could use a couple more fights ...but LOL @ cyborg and miesha being tougher fights ...LOL.
 
HydralisK said:
Ronda competed at 145 lbs in the Olympics. If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck...
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Olympics. Where they compete mere hours after the weigh ins?

Yeah. Nice catch dummy.

It's always the same with the fools who proclaim "Ronda is ducking Cyborg" .Zero adhering to facts and selective memory ruled completely by butthurt emotions.

When will you learn?
 
MilesAbove said:
Sounded like a valid point to me. Although, I see no point in her fighting Meisha again... Meisha was rocked hard by McMann. She couldn't finish Rin Nakai. She had moments against Eye but overall it was underwhelming. Couple those with the fact that she's lost to Ronda twice... I'm just not psyched for it.
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And shes still clearly the 2nd best person in the division. WMMA is just sad all around.
 
fightfan84 said:
lol gsp and Anderson both fought for the ufc, both of them have weight classes in the ufc. The most important part of all this that your some how missing is there is no division above 135. That's why they made brock cut to 265 as well. They wont do a one off fight with anyone in a higher weight class then they offer. not rocket science man, I am starting to think your just trolling
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Why are they afraid Ronda the greatest woman in the world who could beat men her weight is going to lose to a novice in comparison like Cyborg?

Obviously it doesn't have to be for the title. Not that it would matter if it was cause Ronda is so great she couldn't possibly lose right?

Cyborg is under contract with Zuffa last I heard. It's almost like UFC has nothing to lose, cause you know, Ronda is the GOAT.
 
I WILL CUT YOU said:
Ducking a girl you've dominated twice

Ducking a girl who fights in a different weight class, organization, and who has a title shot waiting if she only loses 10lbs



Bill Plaschke would fit in with Diggem, Shaddows, and the other retarded Ronda haters here.





Last Empress Bless
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Yuuuup.
 
fightfan84 said:
Yes exactly it has to make financial sense, and a fight with an athlete they don't plan on using after the event doesn't make long term sense. Zuffa isn't in a position they need short term gain with a high risk low reward type of fight. They are a very successful business for a reason, making smart business decisions, a fight above 135 with their current structure would go down in the history as one of the dumbest business moves in recent memory
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So we agree, Ronda and the UFC keep making their money with mainstream media and casual fans, but the hardcore fans will always know the truth.

That´s why i said , that if Ronda really wanted to make a point to the hardcore fans (wich makes no commercial sense), it´s only a matter of honor and pride, not money.

Dana White even placed Chuck Lidell to fight in PRIDE, and that makes no sense, he makes whatever fight he wants.
 
Reminds me of this statue. A point here and a point there but a lot of Bull inbetween.

Wall-Street-Bull-Wallpaper.jpg
 
HydralisK said:
Ronda could have the fight at any weight. She pulling a GSP/Anderson. Come down to my weight class so you're so weak and deflated you can't possibly be 100%.

Ronda competed at 145 lbs in the Olympics. If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck...
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It´s worst, Ronda fought at 155lb at the olympics, but she won´t accept even a cachtweight at 140lb.

I agree with that decision for commercial reasons $$$, but i can´t stand she running her mouth about Cyborg, beating men, beating mayweather, etc.
 
Who the fuck is "Cyborg Justine"? This douche knows jack-shit about MMA, that much is clear.
 
HydralisK said:
Why are they afraid Ronda the greatest woman in the world who could beat men her weight is going to lose to a novice in comparison like Cyborg?

Obviously it doesn't have to be for the title. Not that it would matter if it was cause Ronda is so great she couldn't possibly lose right?

Cyborg is under contract with Zuffa last I heard. It's almost like UFC has nothing to lose, cause you know, Ronda is the GOAT.
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id actually like to see the fight at 140 and have cyborg come out on top to be honest. im just not retarded and understand basic business and why that makes absolutely zero sense for a company like zuffa. Instead of being so emotionally involved with this fight take a second to sit back and actually use your brain and think about it
 
That's cool that the LA Times cares and is talking about MMA.
Has the NY Times ever covered anything MMA related (besides legislation issues)?
 
Doesn't sound like he knows anything about mma but all press is good press.
 
I agree she is not ready for a title fight. RR. Is not ducking Tate..she is ducking the Borg, there's basically no one for her to fight and there is no competition after the top 10 due to lack of quality fighters. The ufc wants to ride the cash cow face of wmma....don't want her to get beat down by a far less marketable Borg..so the matches are only made to showcase their golden goose.
 
Montecristo said:
So we agree, Ronda and the UFC keep making their money with mainstream media and casual fans, but the hardcore fans will always know the truth.

That´s why i said , that if Ronda really wanted to make a point to the hardcore fans (wich makes no commercial sense), it´s only a matter of honor and pride, not money.

Dana White even placed Chuck Lidell to fight in PRIDE, and that makes no sense, he makes whatever fight he wants.
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As pointed out before that was before zuffa owned ufc. ufc was a dying brand and tried every avenue possible to get more interest. In the end it didn't even work they failed and became zuffa who(with smart business decisions) brought the company into what it is today.
don't be so dense man lol
No matter what zuffa would not make this fight above 135 with its current structure. They way they set their contracts up theres no possible way ronda could get out of it to fight her in a different org. hense why many educated people understand why the ball is in cyborgs court. like it or not that's how it is and at this point you would either have to be a troll and just simply retarded to not understand that
 
Confidently claiming that Rousey is ducking Tate doesn't make you right. It just makes the stupid thing you said sound even dumber.

Not claiming she will win, but when Holm gives Rousey a competitive fight, just know I told you so.
 
Montecristo said:
It´s worst, Ronda fought at 155lb at the olympics, but she won´t accept even a cachtweight at 140lb.

I agree with that decision for commercial reasons $$$, but i can´t stand she running her mouth about Cyborg, beating men, beating mayweather, etc.
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The moment she is offered a fight at 140 and turns it down is the moment you can say she is ducking. the simple fact its been stated multiple times by the company there will be no fights above their heaviest weight limits even for brock lesner should show you how crazy and fan boyish you sound right now
 
I voted no just because I make a point of never agreeing with Bill Plaschke. He's so hard to listen to sometimes.

I'll give him credit for being one of the few ATH panelists to know anything about MMA, but to say Ronda is ducking Miesha is absurd. Holm is a more marketable fight and therefore a bigger payday and we all know that Ronda is basically scraping by between fights.
 
Based God said:
I think he's calling it ducking in a sense that Tate is the only fighter that ever actually gave Ronda a fight, even brought her in to the 3rd round the last time they fought. Holm on the other hand is fully expected to get wrecked in round 1.

It seems a little shady the UFC already announced Rousey vs. Tate III then magically make the change. Seems Ronda made that decision not the UFC.
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Ronda - "omg I couldn't armbar this chick til round 3, I had to suffice with beating the crap out of her until then. I"m so scared."
 
I don´t even understand how people buy Ronda´s and Dana´s excuses to not fight Cyborg.

Ronda doesn´t face Cyborg because it´s a risky fight that doesn´t generate money.

Ronda´s is the UFC golden cash cow, the golden ticket to Mainstream media, the golden passport to expand the company world wide.

Why on earth would you put her to face a harsh motherfucker, one punch knockout artist, who has almost all wins by first round KO? And who even competes in professional MT, Kickboxing, BJJ, ADCC? (And has trained Judo by 3 years now)

It´s not because of the category, in not because Cyborg is a 'cheater' (the UFC has and had countless PED´s users everybody knows it, or should know) or nothing else.

It´s because Cyborg is the only one who has an actual real shot in beating Ronda.
 
capnlarge said:
When did Ronda take Joe Silva's job?
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A long time ago.


She decided that she was going to face Bethe Correa next, after beating Zingano.

Then the UFC gave the Title shot to Miesha Tate and she said no, said she wanted Hollly Holm. (She already said that too after the Zingano fight.) Ronda doesn´t like Miesha.

And always that there is no clear number one contender it prevails the Champions choice to who fight next.

And Ronda is so big now that she decides not only who she fight, but when (between her events and movies) and where like she said wanted to face Bethe in Brazil (wich is not as commercial as Vegas but the UFC did what she wanted.)
 
A weird thing happened with the Bethe fight where a large contingent of non-mma fans came out to watch Ronda's absurd almost cartoonish dominance. I think the UFC wants to replicate that success. This fight was made to attract non-mma fans and to give them another ridiculous finish in quick and brutal fashion. The UFC isn't protecting Ronda from Miesha. They simply concluded that a less competitive fight would actually be better for business and draw more fans, which oddly may be right.
 
Montecristo said:
I don´t even understand how people buy Ronda´s and Dana´s excuses to not fight Cyborg.

Ronda doesn´t face Cyborg because it´s a risky fight that doesn´t generate money.

Ronda´s is the UFC golden cash cow, the golden ticket to Mainstream media, the golden passport to expand the company world wide.

Why on earth would you put her to face a harsh motherfucker, one punch knockout artist, who has almost all wins by first round KO? And who even competes in professional MT, Kickboxing, BJJ, ADCC? (And has trained Judo by 3 years now)

It´s not because of the category, in not because Cyborg is a 'cheater' (the UFC has and had countless PED´s users everybody knows it, or should know) or nothing else.

It´s because Cyborg is the only one who has an actual real shot in beating Ronda.
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lol man you really are challenged. If that was the case then the ufc wouldn't have gone so much out of their way to try and make this fight happen. offer her contracts diet coaches, everything under the sun to make this fight possible. Its really only up to cyborg at this point. Its super simple man, I feel bad for the human race when I realize there is people this dense in the world
 
lol at 72 votes saying no. Amazing how blind people are. I am not saying Rousey needed to fight Tate but shes not even fighting tomato cans anymore. She's just fighting tomatoes.
 
fightfan84 said:
id actually like to see the fight at 140 and have cyborg come out on top to be honest. im just not retarded and understand basic business and why that makes absolutely zero sense for a company like zuffa. Instead of being so emotionally involved with this fight take a second to sit back and actually use your brain and think about it
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I have thought about it. If Zuffa and UFC think Ronda is so great, then catchweight her. They have nothing to lose. If their magical Ronda somehow loses, they could just use the old "Well Ronda is the 135 lb champ"

No, truth is Ronda doesn't want the fight. It could easily be one of the biggest fights UFC could make including the men's divisions if they give Cyborg just a little bit of promotion.

I don't think the UFC is afraid to take the chance. Zuffa signed Cyborg for a reason. But sadly that reason is probably to force Cyborg down to an unhealthy weight.

Zuffa should be more confident in their GOAT. Ronda Rousey is no small woman. She's big and strong and has high level technique.. This is a easy money maker dice roll. Dana loves to gamble at the Zuffa Casinos
 
The XL said:
I doubt Ronda is ducking Miesha but the UFC seems to be protecting her for whatever reason.
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Protecting her from who? A women she already beat? Or the women who's not even in her weight class? Is the ufc protecting weidman from dc in your eyes?
 
What is your reaction?

What many others have already posted:
Rousey has already finished Tate twice. Right now the only reason to fight her a third time is for the paycheck.
This isn't like an alternative timeline in which Ali v Frazier III or Ali v Norton III didn't happen because someone was ducking. Or like Bowe throwing his WBC belt away instead of fighting Lewis. Or like Lewis electing to retire instead of a 2nd fight against Vitali Klitschko.


I want to see Rousey fight Cyborg but Rousey isn't "ducking" her. They fight in different promotions and different weight divisions.
Does this guy realize mma isn't setup like pro boxing? Yes, a WBA welterweight champ can go up and challenge the WBC middleweight champ but those are boxing sanctioning bodies not promotions.
Has Cyborg been offered a UFC contract? Did she decline one? Since when is Rousey in charge of signing up fighters to the UFC?
When is the last time Zuffa allowed a UFC champ to fight under a different promotional banner or against another promotion's champ (a promotion that the UFC didn't own)?



Right now getting Rousey to fight Cyborg is more like when when pro basketball had the NBA & ABA and getting their champs to play each other. Or in football with the old AFL and NFL playing each other, that took years and mergers to occur in order to happen.
 
There's no one on her level. She can fight a sack of dog shit and it's all the same. Minus Cyborg of course, but then she needs to make 135 first.
 
HydralisK said:
I have thought about it. If Zuffa and UFC think Ronda is so great, then catchweight her. They have nothing to lose. If their magical Ronda somehow loses, they could just use the old "Well Ronda is the 135 lb champ"

No, truth is Ronda doesn't want the fight. It could easily be one of the biggest fights UFC could make including the men's divisions if they give Cyborg just a little bit of promotion.

I don't think the UFC is afraid to take the chance. Zuffa signed Cyborg for a reason. But sadly that reason is probably to force Cyborg down to an unhealthy weight.

Zuffa should be more confident in their GOAT. Ronda Rousey is no small woman. She's big and strong and has high level technique.. This is a easy money maker dice roll. Dana loves to gamble at the Zuffa Casinos
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You don't understand business, ive tried my best to help you not just simply look retarded, but ive failed. You continue to dig yourself in that hole of not understand something so basic that's been explained a million times, your to emotional over the topic of the actual fighters.
 
jeremyemilio said:
Wait... so 44% of Sherdoggers really agree that "yes," Ronda v Tate III was the fight "everyone wanted to see"?

This place is just too much sometimes...
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Omni and Shadow probably logged in and logged out a bunch of times and voted.
 
fightfan84 said:
You don't understand business, ive tried my best to help you not just simply look retarded, but ive failed. You continue to dig yourself in that hole of not understand something so basic that's been explained a million times, your to emotional over the topic of the actual fighters.
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There is no hole here. The UFC could make big money off that fight. Are you in denial? Even if Rousey lost she would go on another 135 run and people would quickly forget about Cyborg. And UFC would also use the excuse Ronda is the 135 lb champ in the event of a loss, thus softening the blow even more. SO, they stand to gain more than they stand to lose. If Ronda was confident she could beat her at a catch weight the UFC would give her that fight. I have no doubt. Ronda even admitted she will only fight Cyborg at 135 after first saying she'd beat her at 145... along with her plethora of other claims of greatness.

Where's your business degree? Post a copy? Who do you work for? What's your job description? Just like in the other WMMA thread you're a phony ass.
 
As if Miesha hadn't gotten stomped by Rousey twice already? lol

No thanks, I'd rather see a fresh face even if she probably is not ready (though, at her age, Holly likely doesn't have much time left in MMA to begin with).

I'm not at all convinced that Cyborg has what it takes to give Ronda a competitive fight either.
 
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